So about kimber 1911 10mm vs glock

[tallpaul]

I have a glock 20 I have not shot much and am about to trade for a new kimber 1911 1omm of some flavor I will likely buy another glock 20 in sf flavor later this year. I have been wanting a 10 mm 1911 for a while....

I do not see a downside other than some capacity and maybe durability but that is offset by a better trigger or better after tuning and I believe slightly better accuracy.


The trade is not of the normal wholesale used to new pricing but closer to even trade...

what say ye'

then again which model should I shoot for?

 

[wow6599]

I have a glock 20 I have not shot much and am about to trade for a new kimber 1911 1omm of some flavor I will likely buy another glock 20 in sf flavor later this year. I have been wanting a 10 mm 1911 for a while....

I do not see a downside other than some capacity and maybe durability but that is offset by a better trigger or better after tuning and I believe slightly better accuracy.


The trade is not of the normal wholesale used to new pricing but closer to even trade...

what say ye'

then again which model should I shoot for?

I think you're asking if you should trade a G20 for a Kimber 1911 in 10mm, and then go back and buy another G20 in the next 6 days.......is that right?

That literally makes zero sense (to me) on several levels, but if it's what you want, do it.

BTW, why haven't you shot the Glock much?

 

[tallpaul]

the re aquisition of the glock will be 6-7 months likely- not in a week . the kimber seems to cost more to buy and this opportunity seems better

why haven't I shot the glock more? I have just started back shootin....

I have so many other choices its sorta sad and I remember the old prices of ammo etc. I reload for almost anything I shoot and am re - doing my loading equipment and benches or have been for a while,in among other projects. I also supposidly need an aftermarket barrel to shoot lead in the glock 10mm and I have no jacketed yet, I did get the stuff for the dillon 550 and its ready to go as soon as I get around to gettin some jacketed stuff instead of the 1000 lead bulletts I got... I also got sidetracked in finding a dillon 1050 here this fall and need to get it goin for 556/223 and maybe 9mm but I got half a dozen other caliber conversions with it also... And I have a 650 I found a while back that is runnin 45 for now...

Did someone say "squirrel"

 

[jhb]

Seems the kimber has a ramped barrel and good case support so it should be fine for full power 10mm loads.....at least what I've read says so.

Mag capacity you lose on but you get extra barrel length. Of the few 1911's in 10mm I'd not be against a kimber and I don't like kimbers at all. Course I'd still take the glock 20 over a 1911 in 10mm.....but that's me. I only like .45acp and .38 super in 1911s....The way a 1911 is supposed to be.

 

[M1key]

1911s in 45 ACP can crack frames right near the slide stop. Wilson guns (and maybe others) alleviate stress by removing a square portion at this point. 10mm would probably aggravate this problem. Caspian says they don't do it on their frames and claim no issues.

BTW, at least a few stocking dealers have announced the new Glock 43 Tactical (similar to the 41) in 10mm chambering is coming in May and apparently Smyrna is taking pre-orders. We will have to wait to see exactly what it looks like at the SHOT show.

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[GLOOB]

I also supposidly need an aftermarket barrel to shoot lead in the glock 10mm and I have no jacketed yet

What are you talking about? You can't shoot ANY reloads in a Glock, don't cha know?

But if you aren't afeared of doin' what you're not supposed to, you wouldn't listen to the parrots that say you can't shoot lead out of a Glock barrel. (And you can also shoot 40SW in a Glock 20.)

Glock barrels are not tolerant of bad cast reloads. So if you're idea of working up a cast load is to make a bunch and then shoot them until something bad happens, then don't do that with a Glock. But if you figure out what's needed to load GOOD cast loads, your Glock barrel will shoot cast as accurately as, and much cleaner than, any button cut barrel. (Research "Lyman M die," if you want to know how to make good cast reloads). My Glocks get the most range time, because I shoot cast. I don't have to clean any lead or lube or any buildup, at all, from my Glock barrels.

If you want to change your G20 to a G20SF, then this trade might be good. Just FYI, another option would be to get a G21SF, and then you have interchangeable frames/calibers. But if you like the 1911 platform, sure. Go for it.

 

[horsemen61]

Glock 43 in 10mm I'm going to have to look into that

 

[judgedelta]

I happen to have a Kimber 1911 in 10mm. Shoots better than my Glock 20 as would be expected. Like all of my 10mm pistols, if shooting outside in grass, leaves, etc. you need a bloodhound to find your brass.

 

[swinokur]

You can shoot reloads ina Glock.

It just voids the warranty.

 

[brutus51]

I'll chime in hear. Not a Glock fan never owned one, never will just can't warm up to a gun with a springy thingy on the trigger. That said I bought a Kimber target II when they first came out in 10mm. Nothing but trouble, turns out they had magazine problems in the beginning, bought a couple colt mags and all the problems went away. Had to learn this the hard way and in the interim I learned all about Kimbers horrendous customer service. I own two Kimber 1911's but will never own another after dealing with their customer service department. In my opinion stick with Colt or Dan Wesson.

 

[Bush Pilot]

I have 2 Kimber 10MMs and 4 Glock 10MMs, the Kimbers will outshoot any of the Glocks without any effort. BTW, I've never had issues with Kimber service. I would make the swap and not look back.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

My Glock 20 is is the only handgun I sold and then bought back after several years of regret.

The G20 (if you rebarrel it like I did) can take hot to nuclear lead reloads and never be phased. I feel that pushing a 1911 format gun as hard is not a wise idea. I have several 1911 10mm's (not a kimber though) and when you go from book max loads up into the hotter more powerful loads you really start beating on the gun.

I am not saying it will break the gun or it is dangerous, I just think hot reloads or steady diet of boutique ammo maker 10mm is going to be hard on a 1911 format gun and tend to lead to small parts breakage eventually.

Practically does it matter much? No, I admit it.

But given my choice, I keep the hot to nuclear 10mm loads in my 610's, Witnesses and Glocks that are better setup to handle abuse over a 1911 format gun.

Take this as some expensive wisdom earned over the last 25 years or so.

 

[brutus51]

I have to disagree with you Peter, a 1911 will handle hot loads you just need to get appropriate springs.

 

[jmr40]

You can shoot reloads ina Glock.

It just voids the warranty.

That is the case with any gun made by any manufacturer.

I like my G-20, I like my 1911's, but I'll take the 1911's in 45 acp.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Brutus51,

I don't disagree that it can handle it, just it is hard on it.

Like you said you can beef up the springs, but lets be practical. Beefing up the springs (22lbs or higher) does slow down the rearward impact of the slide on the frame, but what about the now heavier impact of the slide slamming forward into battery on that little bar of a slide stop?

As my physics prof's used to say, "you can't get something for nothing". More power from the 10mm over the 45ACP has to be compensated for.

My summary when thinking about a 10mm 1911 is simple. You can beat up the frame and slide with a normal spring or you can beat up the barrel lugs and slide stop with a heavy spring. So beat it up going to the rear or going forward to battery, Your choice.

 

[GLOOB]

+1. Springs only get you so far. Mass is the main ingredient. Increase the spring enough, and you also run into limpwrist malfunctions.

the Kimbers will outshoot any of the Glocks without any effort.

I suspect this has more to do with the indian than the arrow. True, not many people find the grip and trigger of a G20 to be ideal for precision shooting. But if you are one of the lucky few, the G20 is boringly accurate.

 

[X-Rap]

I had one of the Colt 10mm and also a G20, have neither now but I would probably get back into a G20 way before a 1911 again.
I have evolved from being a Cooper Groupie from the 70's and 80's and although I still have my share of 1911's I doubt there will be anymore.
Keep the Glock, if you fully utilize the cartridge I think it will hold up better.

 

[Casefull]

I have both. I think the wider grip on the g20 makes recoil seem less than on my Kimber. Of course Kimber is easier to shoot accurately. Glocks just take a little more technique to shoot accurately. My g20 has a lone wolf barrel for my hotter loads. I am always a 1911 guy first but for self defense that 15 round capacity of glock is something to consider.

 

[JDR]

I have a Gen4 G-21 along with my 4 1911 pistols, I can honestly say I could not give up any of these, each gun serves its intended purpose for me. 10mm is a great caliber option if you reload, personally, I would want something like a Kimber Eclipse 10mm in addition to a Gen4 G-20.

 

[Rinspeed]

I have 2 Kimber 10MMs and 4 Glock 10MMs, the Kimbers will outshoot any of the Glocks without any effort.

That doesn't surprise much at all.

 

[Blue Brick]

Or...........get a Hi Point 10mm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UToeNXDL9WY

 

[GLOOB]

That doesn't surprise much at all.

I'd take on any 1911 aficionado, 10mm or 45ACP, with my Glock 20/21. Beer bottles at 75 yards, unsupported.

 

[agtman]

* * * BTW, at least a few stocking dealers have announced the new Glock 43 Tactical (similar to the 41) in 10mm chambering is coming in May and apparently Smyrna is taking pre-orders. We will have to wait to see exactly what it looks like at the SHOT show.

Might not be what the OP wants to hear, ... but if I didn't already have a G20 and a customized Delta Elite (which are both fantastic, btw) and was in his shoes now, the fact that the Glock 43 "tactical 10mm" is on the horizon would cause me to postpone any decision on some other 10mm until I'd had a chance to see what was what with this new model.

The fact that the factory is taking pre-orders on it, if true, means they're anticipating it'll be a hot seller, ... especially interesting given its chambering of what is supposedly a "niche" cartridge.

 

[tallpaul]

I am definately open to a longslide glock and do like the glock platform. I am saving glock 20 mags ad have evry intention of getting back into the platform later this year if I do this. I have love for the glock but to me a glock does not have a soul... to me a glock is a glock is a glock and I can take any model 17 and shoot it about the same as the next etc... I grew up shootin real guns - colts smiths etc and a good 1911 still just feels like home ya know. I am not saying my sigs glocks or other guns are less loved but some do hold that lil extra for ne especially a good example of such- some of ya youngsters here may not understand being north of 50 now I understand this more n more

I am not a tradin kinda guy unless mine is easily replaced- I want an example of whatever and the numbers make sense.

I just wanted to make sure I am not missing anything- so far you have not thrown any real curves to my thoughts. my only real temptation is goin 45acp instead of 10mm but i really would like to have n try a 1911 in this flavor. And adding the glock back makes sense- I hate loading bulk just for one gun! So I will be adding at least one back eventually!

 

[ID-shooting]

Keep the Glock.

This is only my experience, I was about 10 years ago, I hope I am an outlier but I had a terrible time with Kimber and a 10mm. Saved my pennies, bought my dream gun, Kimber stainless 10mm from a stocking Kimber dealer. It had failure to eject with all types of ammo right from the get-go. Sent it back to Kimber via the same dealer, came back with no improvement. Upon close examination, there were noticeable chatter marks in the chamber when looking under a magnifying glass. Sent it back to Kimber again with a note explaining this and asking for a new barrel. It came back with a note saying they polished it. Still would not make it through a complete magazine with any kind of ammo. Dealer came out to the range with me and confirmed it.

Dealer gave me my money back and parted the gun.

Have never even considered a Kimber since.