So what is a Hollow Soft Point?

[whm1974]

So wonder about what the current pricing of .30 Carbine ammo is, I found type I never heard of aviable from Winchester sold here:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/win...ow-sp-110-grains-x30m1/FC-40020892200072.html
Is this something Winchester came up with? Any advantages of this bullet over Standard Hollow and Soft points?

 

[AK103K]

Theres a picture on the box showing a cross section of the bullet.

Looks like a typical jacketed, exposed lead HP. Ive only seen FMJ or SP for the 30 Carbine, but I never really looked to hard for anything else.

I see "Cheaper Than Platinum" is still living up to their name too.

 

[buck460XVR]

Just a combination of a HP and a soft point, probably due to the relatively slow velocities produced by .30 carbine, it is in effort to get some form of expansion downrange. Funny how the box says deer and in the product description says ......"Usage: Varmint, Predator Hunting". I would tend to go with the description.

 

[whm1974]

Theres a picture on the box showing a cross section of the bullet.

Looks like a typical jacketed, exposed lead HP. Ive only seen FMJ or SP for the 30 Carbine, but I never really looked to hard for anything else.

I see "Cheaper Than Platinum" is still living up to their name too.

I had some lead HP .30 Carbine ammo that came with the used Plainfield copy of the M1 Carbine I from a friend.

 

[Jim Watson]

Picture on the box looks like the hole goes all the way through.

I've seen .44 Magnum with a lot of exposed lead - "big blue nose" per John Taylor - and a small hole in it.
I had some of the first Norma .45 ACP hollow point made like that. Wouldn't feed in a GI 1911 or expand much in news pack or water either.

 

[whm1974]

Picture on the box looks like the hole goes all the way through.

I've seen .44 Magnum with a lot of exposed lead - "big blue nose" per John Taylor - and a small hole in it.
I had some of the first Norma .45 ACP hollow point made like that. Wouldn't feed in a GI 1911 or expand much in news pack or water either.

Well the fair, the GI 1911s were meant only to be used with FMJ Ball anyway...

 

[Texas10mm]

Picture on the box looks like the hole goes all the way through.

I've seen .44 Magnum with a lot of exposed lead - "big blue nose" per John Taylor - and a small hole in it.
I had some of the first Norma .45 ACP hollow point made like that. Wouldn't feed in a GI 1911 or expand much in news pack or water either.

If the hole went all the way through then you'll most likely end up with a squib.

 

[Texas10mm]

So wonder about what the current pricing of .30 Carbine ammo is, I found type I never heard of aviable from Winchester sold here:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/win...ow-sp-110-grains-x30m1/FC-40020892200072.html
Is this something Winchester came up with? Any advantages of this bullet over Standard Hollow and Soft points?

Friends don't let friends shop at CTD.

It's nothing more than an exposed lead hollow point. The description was obviously written by some lawyer who's never even held a firearm.

 

[AK103K]

If the hole went all the way through then you'll most likely end up with a squib.

I think it was PMC that had an "airfoil ring" load back in the 80's or 90's that was a hollow copper bullet. I think they got banned as "cop killers" and taken off the market.

Not sure what they did to "plug the hole" for firing, but I would imagine it was a wad or gas check of some sort.

 

[AK103K]

Here ya go, answered my own question....

PMC Ultramag

 

[Texas10mm]

I remember those!

I had a chance to shoot a bunch of them. Let's just say they weren't the most accurate of bullets.

 

[whm1974]

Friends don't let friends shop at CTD.

It's nothing more than an exposed lead hollow point. The description was obviously written by some lawyer who's never even held a firearm.

I had no idea that Cheaper Then Dirt had such a poor rep... How come?

 

[Thomas Mayberry]

I had no idea that Cheaper Then Dirt had such a poor rep... How come?

Price gouging and profiteering during the last two panics. Grossly inflating prices.

 

[230RN]

Jim Watson said,

Picture on the box looks like the hole goes all the way through.

Maybe they're mini ramjets. =D

Terry, 230RN

Edited to insert big grin.

 

[whm1974]

Price gouging and profiteering during the last two panics. Grossly inflating prices.

Thanks. Which online vendors have the best reputations and good pricing?

 

[jmr40]

I don't think I've ever seen that type of bullet. Normally a soft point has an exposed lead tip with the rest of the bullet jacketed, but all have been either flat or round nose bullets. Most hollow point bullets are completely jacketed. I don't recall ever seeing the 2 in the same bullet.

The hole doesn't appear to me to go all the way through to me. Looks like an optical illusion with the bullet diagram and the angle of the box in the photo

Both are methods are designed to help expansion. I'd be concerned that this may over expand.

Found this on Winchesters website. A better look at the bullet

 

[Texas10mm]

There used to be a lot of revolver bullets that had that design. Of course you have to be an official old fart to know that.

 

[Ironicaintit]

I have some old W-W 30 carbine that look just like that. They’re loaded hot and consistent, and expand explosively. Really though, not that much different from say, a Sierra 110 JSP

 

[whm1974]

I have some old W-W 30 carbine that look just like that. They’re loaded hot and consistent, and expand explosively. Really though, not that much different from say, a Sierra 110 JSPView attachment 914823

I've about some Police Departments during the 60's and 70's that were given M1 Carbines, using hot loaded HP and SP ammo that had a really number of one shot stops.

 

[.455_Hunter]

The HSP designation has been used by Big W for years on a few loadings.

 

[buck460XVR]

There used to be a lot of revolver bullets that had that design. Of course you have to be an official old fart to know that.

No need to be a old fart.....still a lot of JHPs with that design out there for handguns. Remington has their SJHP, which is their version of the HSP. Speer, Nosler, Sierra all have what they cal their JHPs, that have a good amount of exposed lead at the tip. With the Noslers for example, their HP is exactly like their JSP, except for the hole. In .44 mag, the JHPs do indeed expand more robustly than their JSPs. I use the JHPs for targets and the JSPs for deer in both the revolvers and the carbines. Both use the exact same powder charge and shoot to POA exactly the same. Again, a exposed SP with a hollow, for maximum expansion at handgun velocities. Again, with the velocities produced by the .30 Carbine being comparable to some hunting handgun velocities, this might be why this rifle bullet is so similar to a handgun bullet.

 

[Dudedog]

Cheaper than.....

Target Sports USA should have much better prices, usually free shipping on case size qtys.
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/30-carbine-ammo-c-99.aspx


Case of 250 free shipping..$360/500 vs $630 from cheaper than nobody.

But it is different ammo than the WIN.

 

[daniel craig]

Incidentally, that could be a sweet bullet for reloading 7.62x25. I wonder if they’d sell just the bullet

 

[skeeterfogger]

I have some in 270 I bought from a reloader bunch of years back. A tad over standard velocity. I only use them for hunting deer. They knock them down fast. Faster than a coreloc IMO.

 

[Ironicaintit]

Incidentally, that could be a sweet bullet for reloading 7.62x25. I wonder if they’d sell just the bullet

Hmmmm, why not just use a Sierra #2100?
.308 OD, 110gr JSP.