Soldiers beaten in the US. Police don't help.

[buzz_knox]

The "gentleman" who stated that the, "'monkeys' should be found and handed" is off base and out-of-line.

Actually, "monkey" is a term used by many to denote subhumans of any race, color, or creed.

 

[LynnMassGuy]

The "gentleman" who stated that the, "'monkeys' should be found and handed" is off base and out-of-line.

Since when is "monkey" a racial slur? It's a fitting description. They were acting like a bunch of monkeys. Have you ever watched monkeys on the Discovery channel when they get all wound up and kill something? That's how they behave. Actually, more like baboons but why split hairs over exact primate species? Unless of course YOU think black people look like monkeys...that's something you'll need to sort out on your own.

Regards
John

 

[BeLikeTrey]

O C Spray For All

HOSE THEM ALL. THEN PULL OUT YOUR NIGHT STICK
AND USE THAT SUPER GLOCKERRRIFIC TASER

 

[Malamute]

"Quote:
the officer could have simply shot the offenders


That would be the simplest thing to do, of course.

After interviewing everyone on the scene to determine which ones were the offenders and which were the defenders. After double checking the stories to see if they're consistent. After allowing for the hyperbole of the relatives who are present. After figuring out who's lying. After keeping everyone orderly so you don't forget who gave which answers and who didn't get interviewed and who got interviewed twice.

After all that, then yes, shoot the offenders. Making sure the shooting is on someone's video, so you get all due credit for the shoot."



I sort of like this approach. It should be used for drunk drivers that are repeat offenders, or cause injury or death. I call it "field termination".
(yes, I have been hit by a repeat offender drunk driver)



"Quote:
the limp (possibly dead) body is the victim. how hard is that?


In this case, that would seem to be correct.

In some other instance, the limp (possibly dead) body could be the terrorist / drug-dealer / child-molester / perpetrater target of some instant mob justice. A bad situation, but not one where "simply shoot the offenders" is the best choice.

Handcuffs all around, and a big paddy wagon would be a better choice. Let the interviews and justice system sort it out."



Pepper, LOTS of Pepper. Easier to hook up and sort out multiple offenders when they are not mobile.




I didn't take the monkey comment as racial. I haven't seen the video, and don't know if the perps were dark or light skinned. The image in my mind was light skinned.

 

[buzz_knox]

After interviewing everyone on the scene to determine which ones were the offenders and which were the defenders. After double checking the stories to see if they're consistent. After allowing for the hyperbole of the relatives who are present. After figuring out who's lying. After keeping everyone orderly so you don't forget who gave which answers and who didn't get interviewed and who got interviewed twice.

Actually, no. We seem to be forgetting that there is a group of people attacking the two on the ground. That's a deadly force situation in which the group are the perpetrators and the two on the ground are victims. They may be child molesters, traitors to humanity, what have you. But legally, they are incapable of defending themselves and are no longer aggressive. The mob has become a vigilante group. The cops are authorized to save the lives of the "victims" through deadly force against the mob. No interviews or information gathering beyond the evidence of the officers' own eyes is necessary.

 

[Malamute]

I think Buzz is correct, my previous, semi-tongue in cheek posts notwithstanding.

My first thought was to start working in from the edges of the aggressive group, getting it thinned out to where you could get a clear shot at those in the middle.

 

[GlenJ]

Was the victim white? If so were's the outrage and the cries of hate crime?? That's why I have no faith in LEOs. Earlyer this year a kid near my back yard threatended to have his father come after me with a rifle so of course I called the police and I had to call them a second time before they got there!! When he got there it was the same old story "there's not much we can do he's a juvenile"

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Was the victim white?

No. From the video, I got the impression that victims and offenders are all black. So I don't think it was triggered by race.

Don't know about the cop.

Regards.

 

[nyresq]

Once again, so few people realize that the police have no actual obligation to DEFEND you..... And they get so mad and upset when something like this happens.....

uh... what country do you live in?

The police have an absolute obligation to uphold the law, and unless someone changed the CPL since I went through the academy, I think assault is against the law, attempted murder is against the law, and hell if you want to look for more charges disorderly conduct is against the law.
The police have sworn to defend the public and uphold the law, thats what they are paid for. If they didn't have to defend the public, then there would be no need for hostage negotiators, they could let them kill the hostage and arrest the BG when he walked out afterwards. There would be no need for traffic stops, just wait till they crash and kill some one then give them a ticket for reckless driving.

Its because of idiots with badges who think they don't get paid to be in harms way that the police get a bad rap for situations like this. You raise your hand and swear to protect the public and uphold the law. To do that you WILL NEED to go in harms way, if you don't like it, hand in your badge.

One cop with a can of spray, a baton and a little bit of attitude can neutralize a situation like this, and can stop the savage beating that was going on after the soldiers were down and out. If the mutants are stupid enough to go after the cop, then he would be justified in shooting every one who was "man enough" to go after him. I think after the first one dropped, the others would re-evaluate their need to establish their "street cred, yo".

I've been in situations like this, both on the street and in a cell block, and when it comes down to it, most mutants don't want a faceful of spray.
Theres a reason its called "the man in the can", "liquid karate" or "instant backup"... anyones who's been sprayed either for qualifacation or by accident can tell you, its evil sh*t, and once you've been sprayed you will always remeber it.
Never underestimate what one well trained and motivated LEO can do with the proper tools.


as to the "racial slur"... those outside of law enforcement would be amazed at the names that are given to BGs, and it has nothing to do with race, color, religious belief, nationality or economic background. I have BGs refered to as:
Mutts, mopes, mutants, tangos, perps (a NYC term), pups, monkeys, apes, rats, and skells are some of the more popular ones here in the NY metro area. you could start an entire thread with names for BGs. I have heard them all used for people of all genders, races ages, backgrounds etc all interchangebly

 

[Taurus 66]

Had the police officer on the scene intervened, he would have been no better off than the two victims, sorry to say. He's not going to shoot at these thugs, especially with a large crowd standing around. I believe he was right to wait for backup. Now the speed at which backup arrived is another matter.

 

[Gordy Wesen]

The pictures of these boys were aired on the news just before the weekend. I understand nobody has stepped forward yet to ID anybody... and given the recent video of snitch revenge it may not happen.
It would be nice to see some of the fellows from Fort Lewis take care of their own but that's not likely either. They've caught smaller fish than these with crummier video.

 

[Snake Eyes]

In Washington, it is legal to use your CCW to prevent the assault of another. Why didn't anyone shoot these perps?

Why didn't anyone offer to "back-up" the lone officer on the scene?

Why do criminals think it's ok to stomp downed people and have their friends video tape it?

Why have we developed into a society that has to ask these stupid, useless questions?? (Hint--If you think it's ALL the fault of liberals and Democrats, YOU'RE useless and ignorant).

 

[c_yeager]

In Washington, it is legal to use your CCW to prevent the assault of another. Why didn't anyone shoot these perps?

Yes, however state law prohibts carrying in any of the establishments in Pioneer square, so noone would have had the opportunity, even if they had the desire.

 

[JJNA]

Sheesh. I'm glad I left Seattle just in time (although I wish I could've helped those men who were attacked, I NEVER frequented Pioneer Square even when I lived there).

It seems that my predictions of declining quality of life in Seattle came true. See my column about that in the Seattle Times here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002239424_jamesna13.html

Also, you can read about why I left Seattle in another column here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002404018_jamesna27.html

 

[chopinbloc]

In some other instance, the limp (possibly dead) body could be the terrorist / drug-dealer / child-molester / perpetrater target of some instant mob justice. A bad situation, but not one where "simply shoot the offenders" is the best choice.

i would agree if there were enough officers there to control the situtation with a lesser means of force and i believe it would be appropriate to start with chemical force, but due to the number of people involved one is likely to run out quickly. if you've ever seen a use of force model, otherwise known as the force continuum, you know that that situation sits right at the top of the pyramid. the reason the man on the ground is the victim, like i mentioned and others said is that he is unable to defend himself, is completely limp and they are still pummeling him. at this point it doesn't matter if it's osama himself and he was about to detonate ten pounds of semtex. beating an unconcious person is tantamount to manslaughter as it can easily go that way. the officer involved was derelict in his duty and should be sumarily dismissed. don't like your job? think it's dangerous? i have no sympathy. my job's a little dangerous and we both knew that when we signed up but i continue to do my duty and will not welch. what's more, most of us here would have come to the aid of those men, i believe, oath or no.

Yes, however state law prohibts carrying in any of the establishments in Pioneer square, so noone would have had the opportunity, even if they had the desire.

sure, fine, but i'm guessing no one driving by had a piece. or a pair for that matter. armed or no, i should hope that there would be at least one MAN in a hundred that would come to the aid of those soldiers.

i think that's about all i have to say about that. i'm just gonna sit here and mutter about societal decay.

 

[c_yeager]

sure, fine, but i'm guessing no one driving by had a piece.

Considering that everyone driving by had likely been in the afore mentioned clubs, its unlikely that they were armed. It is generally considered unwise to leave firearms in one's unatended automobile.

I wonder why you find it necessary to blame all of society for the actions of two hoodlums. You might as well blame their shoes.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Can't help but think that if I were a company commander at Fort Lewis, I might quietly talk to my 1st Sergeant about encouraging some of the troops to go into town for some R&R ... after watching the videos to identify the quarry. The problem would be finding a way to assure pulling them out of the can if they managed to get arrested.

It's a sad day when the soldiers of this country aren't allowed to take care of their own.