Some military reservists will risk jail to resist Iraq duty

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Some military reservists will risk jail to resist Iraq duty

By Prashant Gopal
Staff writer
Posted March 6 2003

National Guard reservist Bryan Alarcon said "no" when his sergeant called looking for volunteers to go to Turkey as part of the U.S. military ramp-up to war. If he's ordered to go, Alarcon says, he'll refuse -- even if his decision lands him in jail.

The 25-year-old West Palm Beach resident is among a small group of military personnel who have joined another fight -- the one building locally and across the country against war.


Alarcon said he'd rather risk going to jail than participate in a conflict he considers immoral. He said he didn't apply for money from the military to pay for his Palm Beach Community College tuition this semester and joined thousands of other Americans for the Jan. 18 peace rally in Washington, D.C.

It's uncertain how many service people share Alarcon's beliefs. But as war talk heated up in January, the anti-war G.I. Rights Hotline fielded a record number of calls, mostly from military personnel and families seeking advice on conscientious objector and other discharges.

The 3,582 calls were twice the normal monthly call volume, the group reported.

"They're going to call me a coward," said Alarcon, a full-time student who has a 9-month-old daughter. "But being a coward is not acting as I believe."

Changing beliefs

Soldiers who don't want to participate in the looming war are facing a difficult choice. But jail isn't the only option for resisters. The military recognizes conscientious objectors who prove they have deeply held moral, ethical or religious beliefs that would keep them from participating in war for any reason.

It might sound hypocritical for someone who volunteers for military service to claim pacifism. But the United States government acknowledges that beliefs can change.

Some callers to the G.I. Rights Hotline said they were 18 when they joined and were still forming their opinions. Others said they were persuaded to join by military advertisements, brochures and recruiters talking a lot about job skills, world travel and education benefits, and nothing about the brutality of combat, said Bill Galvin, counseling coordinator for the Center on Conscience and War in Washington, D.C., who helped answer calls.

A U.S. Armed Forces Web site, for example, asks: "Where else can you get paid to train with the best, travel around the world, make lifelong friends, and get an education?"

"Many of these people thought they were going to computer school," Galvin said. "Reservists think it's a job they do two weeks a year and a weekend a month. These people are realizing it's not about what they thought it was at all."

But government officials are skeptical of those who say they weren't aware of what they were getting into.

Soldiers, for example, take an oath of enlistment, promising to support and defend the U.S. Constitution "against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and to obey orders from the president of the United States and their superior officers.

Army Lt. Col. Ryan Yantis put it this way: "It's disingenuous for a soldier to wake up and say they never knew they were joining the Army to fight wars. ... It's much like a fireman suddenly realizing, `You mean I have to fight a fire?'"

Defense yes, attack no

When Plantation resident Travis Clark joined the Marine Corps in 1996, it seemed like a good option. Then 19, he couldn't afford college and the country was in a state of relative peace, Clark said. He signed an eight-year contract, which required him to serve five years of active duty and stand by for a possible call-up during the next three years.

As the years passed, his views began to change. He started reading works by Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi. His active duty stint ended in August 2001, and he now volunteers as special events coordinator for the anti-war group Peace South Florida.

If he's called up before his military contract ends in the summer of 2004, Clark said, he won't go.

"I can see violence used if there was an invading army invading my people," Clark said. "But I'm not going to go into someone else's country and force them to defend themselves."

Like Clark, many resisters say they vowed to defend the country, not to take part in what they consider a war of aggression. Veterans for Peace, a national group with 3,000 members, wrote a letter to the military's top commanders on Feb. 13, urging them not to fight.

"We believe the war against Iraq that the U.S. government is planning and preparing for is in violation of the Charter of the United Nations and customary international law," the letter reads. "The judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg noted, `Resort to war of aggression is not merely illegal, but criminal.'"

Contract vs. `feelings'

The tradition of conscientious objectors dates at least to the Civil War. But draft resistance became a mass movement during the Vietnam War, when 200,000 men were accused of violating draft laws and another 360,000 war resisters weren't formally accused, according to American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker pacifist organization.

During the 1991 Gulf War, about 500 enlisted men and women filed for conscientious objector status and about 61 percent were approved, according to a General Accounting Office report. Several members of the all-volunteer military simply refused to fight and were jailed for up to 18 months.

It's not clear how many soldiers are resisting a war this time. Military officials say the numbers so far have been small. Only six members of the Army, for example, applied for conscientious objector discharges in February, an Army spokesman said.

As for Alarcon, he has kept his pacifist feelings from the rest of his unit. But, as the United States moves closer to an invasion of Iraq, he says he's ready to speak up and is getting his papers in order to file as a conscientious objector.

"I've got to let it be known that I'm not ready to just lay down and do what I'm told, because they say this is a free country," Alarcon said. "I know I signed a contract, but my feelings are lot stronger against this."
 
"They're going to call me a coward," said Alarcon, a full-time student who has a 9-month-old daughter. "But being a coward is not acting as I believe."
I won't call him a coward, I don't know him. I will call him a leach and a parasite for taking the benefits of the Guard and not standing up for his responsibilities when called.
"I've got to let it be known that I'm not ready to just lay down and do what I'm told, because they say this is a free country," Alarcon said. "I know I signed a contract, but my feelings are lot stronger against this."
Wrong! He gave up certain rights when he signed up. One of those being to just do whatever you want when called to service. If his feelings are really that strong, where were they when he enlisted? Oh yeah, they were going to give him money to sign up. I guess the money was stronger than his feelings.
Send him to jail now!!!!!
 
Dad of Three Hit it on the head -Those guys are lowlifes they werent complaining when they were taking the money or getting their tuition reimbursements.:scrutiny:
 
CO's(?)

IIRC - the military can sue to recover any and all tuition monies paid out to people who pull this kind of stuff. I hope they do. The "I didn't know I was actually going to have to go to war.", whine is getting kind of stale already. If they can't read the contract they are signing, they should get someone else to read it to them before they sign.
 
A solid Dishonorable Discharge after spending the rest of his enlistment in the crossbar hotel as Bubba's b**** seems like a fitting reward to me.
 
Taking Uncle Sam's money sometimes means doing what Uncle Sam wants. TS, whiners.

Kharn
 
I just don't understand why we put up with these whiners. We should send 3 very large MPs with a bad attitude to pick up clowns like this. Put him in cuffs, toss him in the back seat, and tell him the destination is his choice: Leavenworth or the Gulf. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Swift justice.
 
Bryan Alarcon revealed himself as a pernicious parasite, and he should pay back every dime he's received plus all the costs of his training and that of his replacement before receiving an "Unfit for Military Service" discharge by working it off at Ft Leavenworth.
 
I think a dishonorable discharge is too light a punishment. He voluntarily joined the military. If he refuses to obey a lawful order with the country in a so-called state of war, I think it calls for a court martial and some time busting rocks at Club Fed at the minimum.

It would be a very bad precedent to allow members of the military, even reservists, to simply be discharged for refusing to enter a possible combat zone when so ordered.
 
Don't send these clowns to the front!

Who would want these cowards in their unit? Dishonorable discharge, pay back Uncle Sam (us), maybe even some jail time, but do not burden our honorable fighting men and women with these simps.
 
All these parasites should be court martialed and sent to the "long tour" at Levenworth.

:cuss: :cuss: :fire:
 
Reminds me of the SFPD cop who ran into a church and claimed "santuary" rather than respond to the call up of reserves for Desert Storm. Appropriately he is called The Coward of Desert Storm.

You take the King's shilling, you do the King's bidding (and go over the hills and far away).
 
The guy who's willing to go to jail for refusing orders I can respect. He is standing on his beliefs, and willing to pony up the cost for them. Just like the man (I believe) discharged a few years back for refusing to don the UN patch.

The lowlifes who somehow expect to be let off the hook scot-free because they "didn't know they'd have to go to war" after signing up are a different story though. :barf:

-K
 
I thought COs still had to go, but in non-combat duty. Some, like Desmond Doss, even get the Medal of Honor.

If the guy doesn't think he can put a bullet in the enemy, I'd be happy enough to make him a medic or whatever.

Not serving, when he signed up, is a whole other thing.
 
This will be happening more and more as time passes.

Remember, the military draws its people from the U.S. population for the overwhelming majority of its “talentâ€.

As kids grow up in government run publik skools being fed daily doses of crap from mostly left-leaning socialist “educators†more and more of them will never be introduced to the true history of this country and the part the armed services have played in it. They will never learn how this nation is supposed function. They spend their lives being told that the state will take care of them, that someone else is responsible, that they should always call 911 and let someone save their ***, never risk yourself but put someone who’s paid to take risks in the line of fire. Where do they think soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines come from in the first place (or cops and firefighters for that matter)?

More and more kids grow up with little concept of personal responsibly, ethics or any sort of moral compass. Just spend a day at a mall or any public gathering place. Watch the parent/child interactions. If you don’t think this country is on an express elevator to Hell (going down) you will after a few hours of people watching.

It doesn’t surprise me at all that some people think because they now “feel bad†about what THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO, that everyone should understand and let them off the hook. That’s the way they were taught from day one. Cry enough and you don’t have to eat your veggies and you might even get a treat to shut you up. Get a bad grade on a test and have mommy or daddy threaten to sue the teacher or school district. Don’t get treated like you think you should on the job (or don’t get the job you want). Sue somebody. Whine about it. Start a petition to make “them†change the way they do things to accommodate YOU. After all, you been told your whole life that you’re “special†and deserve not to have your feelings hurt or be placed in “uncomfortable†situations.

Fine. They want out? Time to learn a basic lesson of life. For every action you take there are consequences. This should be no different. If they are not true Conscientious Objectors then they should be dishonorably discharged. Any tuition or education benefits should be repaid to the government at the same rate that Uncle Sam paid them to you. Spell this out to them in black & white and offer them a choice. Serve your country as you SWORE AN OATH TO DO or live with the consequences of your “feelingsâ€.

[long stream of paint blistering profanity directed at these morons deleted]
 
Forum rules regarding explitives prohibit me from saying what I really think about this particular :cuss: and any :cuss:er :cuss:ers of similar mind and attitude. Not to mention any civilian :cuss:heads that think that this coward is "standing on principle". He is a piece of :cuss:! Plain and simple.

Suffice it to say that vermin like Mr. Alarcon should be thrown into the "Hole" at Ft. Leavenworth for the duration of the war. Any current "guest" of Leavenworth (that the military deems suitable) who wishes to take Mr. Alarcon's place at the front should be allowed to do so, in order to offset the expense of the pig's upkeep.

Each and every dime that he has leached from this country under false pretense should be extracted from his assets first, and his hide second (since his assets may actually yeild value).

:cuss: him and the horse he rode in on! :fire: :fire:
 
"They're going to call me a coward," said Alarcon, a full-time student who has a 9-month-old daughter. "But being a coward is not acting as I believe."
Y'know what, my brother left for the gulf on Sunday. This little twit can kiss my ***. My brother is the one acting as he believes, not some wuss who joined the army and then can't accept the fact that he might actually have to go and fight.
 
i was watching this WWII movie not long ago (forget the name of it) and in the movie, during an attack on the germans 88's, an officer shot one of his flamethrowers in the back as he tried running away in fear. the rest of his subordinates couldnt believe what they just saw, but later admitted that if their commanding officer hadnt done that, all of them would have run.

sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Hmmmm...

I do have to ask, why is the National Guard being sent overseas? From my understanding, the Guard is intended as a home land defensive force, not as an overseas military. On the basis of that opinion, I'll support Alacarn.

As for the bloke who signed up with the Marines, well, as the man said "You pays your money and takes your chances". He signed a legal contract and should be held to it. I'd be really suprised if that contract does not have clauses covering non-performance by the people who signed on the dotted line. A change of heart does not give one a free out from a contract.

I do find it interesting that not one of the indviduals mentioned in the article brings up an important point about this upcoming war with Iraq and other as yet unnamed parties. Congress has not issued a Declaration of War, and only THEY have the power commit U.S Armed Forces to armed conflict which is not self defensive in nature. We (the People and .gov fo the United States) wanna go to war? Fine, lets do it by the numbers and how the rules of our .gov call for. Not with 'war powers acts' and 'resolutions' that allow those ultimatly responsable to duck and dodge the issue should it go south on us. War is a deadly serious buisness, and those in office should have the gonads to lay their political necks on the line for it if they support it.

I'll toss out to the member of THR this point to consider, would you be so supportive of .gov and condem so strongly those who object the following of orders if those orders to the military involved the collections of weapons and 'undesirables' with in our borders?
 
Finished my tour in '74, a long time ago, I admit, after having the choice of either being drafted or "enlisting".

The joke was on me, per usual, the draft ended before my second week of basic.

They didn't offer me the chance to renegotiate my contract, of course.

Now, I had zero respect for the officers I served under, and even less for Tricky Dick Nixon, but I signed on the line, so that was that.

Even given the above, as a medic, I could not have imagined letting my guys head off somewhere without me, and this feeling continued through my NG time and even 'till today.

For sure, if the leaches don't feel this way, they shouldn't be maintained in the ranks at all.

There are many fields in which they could be useful, however. Mine field clearance, WMD detection...

In no case should they be allowed to sit back and relax while others take their places, and mere money is not enough to compensate for their betrayal.
 
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