(CA) marine claims to be conscientious objector?

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030401/ap_on_re_us/war_conscientious_objector_2

how can you enlist in an army and not know they train you to kill? another freeloader wanting to go to college without paying for it. i hope they reject his claim of being an objector and force him to spend one week with R Lee Ermey.




By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press Writer

SAN JOSE, Calif. - With his sister carrying his duffel bag and his mother holding his hand, a 20-year-old Marine reservist surrendered to the military Tuesday and declared himself a conscientious objector.

Wearing camouflage fatigues, Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk turned himself in at the locked gates of the Marine Corps reserve center where he was assigned, weeks after refusing to report when called up to active duty.

"Ultimately, it's my fault for joining in the first place," said Funk, who didn't show up when his unit was deployed to Camp Pendleton. "It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been. It was about me being depressed and wanting direction in life."

Funk said he's attended every major San Francisco Bay area anti-war rally since finishing his military training last fall. He insisted his decision had nothing to do with the war in Iraq (news - web sites).

Those applying for a conscientious discharge must submit a detailed letter explaining how their feelings have changed since joining the military. Then there are interviews with a military chaplain, a psychiatrist and an investigating officer. The final decision is made by top military commanders.

Applications for conscientious discharges always increase during wartime. There were 111 granted during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites). Only 28 were granted last year, military officials said.

"The Marine Corps understands there are service members opposed to the war," said Capt. Patrick O'Rourke, spokesman for Funk's unit, adding that he hadn't received Funk's application yet. "He'll be treated fairly."

Funk, who grew up in Washington state, enlisted when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time. He said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill, kill, kill."

Funk's father, Robert Funk, enlisted in the Navy reserves and was called up to active duty in 1970 to serve in Vietnam. He said he wishes his son hadn't joined in the first place.

"I don't think he realized how close we were to getting involved in this conflict," Robert Funk said from his home in Everson, Wash. "I thought his views didn't line up with military service and he should wait and really look at it."
 
Soldier Says He's Conscientious Objector

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030401/ap_on_re_us/war_conscientious_objector_2
I notice this little whiner didn't object to drawing a paycheck from the govt. while in the reserves. But an actual war breaks out and all of the sudden he discovers that the Marines actually kill people? My goodnees, how in the world did they keep that a secret? :rolleyes:

This guy is an embarrassment to the Marine Corps and the U.S. They should throw his cowardly rear end in jail.
 
Nope, give him a radio a helmet and a seat on the next transport to Iraq. What did he think, join the military, learn a trade & make $$ in the private sector? Let him serve out his military obligation in a military prison.
 
Duplicate threads merged.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said.

Horse puckey. Anyone who's seen a war movie knows that the purpose of the Marine Corp, and the US military as a whole, is to kill people and break things.

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill, kill, kill."

Then he should have quit.

There were/are plenty of people in the military who don't want to kill people -- we call them "medics" or "corpsmen", and they are the time-honored way for those who don't want to kill to serve their country.

Change his MOS and send him to Iraq for OJT.

LawDog
 
"They're not going to arrest him or put him in jail, and he doesn't even have to stay in the barracks, which is unheard of,"

Gee..I wonder why. A bunch of Marines seeing their Marine brothers sacrificing their lives overseas and now this puke lives in their barracks. He wouldn't last a New York minute in the barracks.

Good Shooting
RED
 
I realize this may be trivial in the greater scheme of things, but uh, spacemanspiff - the guy didn't join an army - he joined the marines. Being an old disabled soldier (as in I was in the *Army*) I just thought I'd point that out.

OTOH, how about after that just-rescued 19 year old female PFC supply clerk, Army type gets out of the good guys' hospital they promoted her to corporal and make her this guy's supervisor for, oh, say, the rest of the war. Now *THAT* might be interesting...given that the Marine Corps would allow it...bet she'd just have a load of pity and sympathy for him now, don't you?:fire:
 
sorry ahadams, i meant no disrespect; i still am having trouble figuring out what to call someone enlisted in the Air Force, Marines, Navy, etc. Is there some general term to use?

and about this puke supposedly using his sexuality as a cop-out, thats BS. i thought they were "born that way". if he was, why does he then say: "Funk said, "Obviously being gay has affected my moral beliefs, in how I was raised and who I am as a person,". so gays have different morals and beliefs??? they are supposedly less likely to accept being trained to be the finest killers for their country?

however, i bet a shiny new nickel that they treat this case like a fragile egg. if the guy was straight, he'd be in lockup for failing to report for duty as he agreed he would.

its entirely hypocritical to enlist to serve this country and then say 'oh i object to war and violence, so i will not honor my promises'. the only true 'conscientious objectors' would, in my humble opinion, be experienced during a draft by those who report as they are required to and then submit their claims for whatever reasons. among these in years past during drafts have been members of the Jehovahs Witness religion. they didnt dodge the draft or disobey the orders to report for duty, they showed up and made their stand of being cons. obj.ers (sorry, those two words are getting tough to type over and over).
 
Hi again Spiff - well anyone in the Army can be called a soldier, anyone in the Navy can be called a sailor, anyone in the Airforce can be called an airman (yes that is the correct term for both genders) and anyone in the Marines can be called a marine. If you stick with those basics you shouold be okay.


OTOH You're going to have to ask one of the Coast Guard guys what they prefer to be called since they actually work for the Department of Transportation and are just loaned to the Navy in wartime. Oh wait a minute, no, now they're part of the Dept of Homeland Security, which still doesn't explain the CG cutters pulling escort duty in the Middle East...shoot I never have understood how the Coast Guard works - like I said you need to ask them.
 
A number of great leaders, military or otherwise, have had homosexual tendencies, such as Alexander and Hadrian. I don't think they found their sexuality to be a factor in killing men or in ordering men to die or be killed.

Cop out.

I've been reading about this for a couple days on a car-oriented board, and few gearheads have any sympathy for this twit, either; even the hardcore Democrats against the war.




Enlisted men or enlisted personnel would be an acceptable general term.
 
Service members should be called, along with a derrogatory:
  • US Army = Soldier ("army puke")
    US Navy = Sailor ("squid")
    US Marine Corps = Marine ("jarhead")
    US Air Force = Airman ("civillian in uniform")
All should start with a capitol.

Hold Funk to his contractual obligations. He can carry a swab and cadillac if he doesn't want to carry a rifle.
 
Hold Funk to his contractual obligations. He can carry a swab and cadillac if he doesn't want to carry a rifle.
Put him on the frontline unarmed if he wishes, and let him help "Doc" drag the wounded to safety.
shoot I never have understood how the Coast Guard works
the Coasties are in the Department of Transportation to get around the Posse Comitatus Act.

They are an armed service. They are employed in war time to assist in boarding suspect vessels, and aiding in surveilance.

Everyone in the Coast Guard is expected to be at least 6 feet tall.



That way, when their boat sinks, they can all walk to shore. :D
 
Funk...enlisted when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time. He said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability.

Have some sympathy, folks...he's a victim.

:rolleyes:
 
SJ Marine Reservist Refuses To Serve

I laugh. Ha. HaHa.


http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/040103_nw_iraq_conscientious_objector.html

SJ Marine Reservist Refuses To Serve
Declares As Conscientious Objector

Apr. 1 (AP) — With his sister carrying his duffel bag and his mother holding his hand, a 20-year-old Marine reservist surrendered to military authorities Tuesday and declared himself a conscientious objector, weeks after refusing to report when called up to active duty.


"Ultimately, it's my fault for joining in the first place," said Funk, who didn't show up when his unit was deployed to Camp Pendleton. "It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been. It was about me being depressed and wanting direction in life."

Funk, who grew up in Washington state, enlisted last February when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time.

"I saw the valuable things you can learn like teamwork, leadership — things you can learn in Boy Scouts," he said. "I saw it as a way to learn new things and meet new people. It was a way to get what I thought was missing in my life."

He also said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability. He refused Tuesday to identify the recruiter.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training at Camp Pendleton last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill. Kill. Kill," during weapons training.

"I was unwilling to do that. It just felt very wrong," he said. "I started just to mouth the words so I wouldn't get in trouble."

Funk, whose father served in the Navy in Vietnam, said he expressed his misgivings to several chaplains who never counseled him about the possibility of a conscientious objector discharge.

"I didn't ask for a way out, but I told them about it," he said. "I told them I'm having nightmares about what this is going to do for my conscience."

Funk's father, Robert Funk, enlisted in the Navy reserves and was called up to active duty in 1970 to serve in Vietnam. He said he wishes his son hadn't joined in the first place.

"I don't think he realized how close we were to getting involved in this conflict," Robert Funk said from his home in Everson, Wash. "I thought his views didn't line up with military service and he should wait and really look at it. ... I told him he had a contractual obligation. You may feel that way, but there are going to be penalties."

Erik Larsen, who spent four years in the Marine reserves, is fully aware of those penalties. He was a conscientious objector during the first Gulf War and was threatened with the death penalty for desertion during wartime, he said.

"My mom nearly had a heart attack in the federal courtroom when she heard that," he recalled. He eventually pleaded guilty to unauthorized absence, the Marine Corps' term for absent without leave, and spent nearly six months in a military prison, he said, adding he never regretted his decision.

"Violence is unacceptable," he said. "And being a conscientious objector is an honorable thing."

Those applying for status as a conscientious objector must submit a detailed letter explaining how their feelings have changed since joining the military. Then there are interviews with a military chaplain, a psychiatrist and an investigating officer. The final decision is made by top military commanders.

Applications for conscientious discharges always increase during wartime. There were 111 granted during the 1991 Gulf War. Only 28 were granted last year, military officials said.

"The Marine Corps understands there are service members opposed to the war," said Capt. Patrick O'Rourke, spokesman for Funk's unit, adding that he hadn't received Funk's application yet. "He'll be treated fairly."

Because Funk didn't report for active duty when his reserve unit was called up in mid-February, he will likely receive nonjudicial punishment, typically 30 days desk duty, his lawyer, Stephen Collier, said Monday.

At the gate Tuesday, marine officials said Funk needed to report for duty at 7:30 a.m. every morning while his application was processed.

Meantime, Funk says he's attended every major San Francisco Bay Area anti-war rally since finishing his military training last fall. And while he acknowledged he was surprised to get called up to active duty so quickly, Funk insists his decision had nothing to do with the current war in Iraq.

"I would be applying for this anyway," he said. "I believe a lot of those people going over there are going to have psychological problems and guilt. I can serve time for being a conscientious objector ... or I can go along and do something that I know is wrong and live with that forever."
 
Boy Scouts

Learn things like in the Boy Scouts - I have nothing bad to say about the Boy Scouts mind you - but don't ever compare the Marine Corps to the Boy Scouts.

What did he think we do for a living - Marines are involved in almost every major conflict, "Winning Wars and Making Marines" did that pass over his head???

His mommy had to hold his hand??? Thank God he will be out soon.

That "evil" recruiter should be told to be more selective.
 
20 years old huh?

So it's safe to speculate that this 20 year old was around 8 years old during the Gulf War.

Is this an indication of what the Clinton backed zero tolerance schools produced?

If so, then **gawd we_are_so_screwed**.

We're putting kids on a battle field that have had years of "be afraid of everything" pounded into them. And they'e supposed to face troops that have 10 plus years of "shoot anything that doesn't agree with you" training?

Troops that feed people feet first into shredding machines? ( One of the Rep Guard's favorite ways of dealing with dissedents)
 
It's always tempting to conclude "cowardice" in cases like this, but I'll stop short of that and just shake my head in wonderment at a young man that could make it through boot camp and subsequent training without realizing that, fundamentally, Marines exist to blow stuff up and kill people. :rolleyes:

TC
TFL Survivor
 
What a sack of crud. Why is that guy being allowed to breath my air! You don't join the military and then claim to be a conscientious objector. He reminds me of a bunch of the jerks that didn't want to go to Afghanistan who were in the military. As one noted, "If I knew there was going to be a war, I would not have joined."

So he is a conscientious objector. Give him the job of clearing mines. He can be as conscientious as he wants in that job and really has to be in order to keep from killing himself.
 
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