Some of my thoughts on gun ownership.

[shootistpd27]

I dont like the fact that politicians are trying to place restrictions on gun ownership for all americans but I do think the they need to place certain restrictions on certain groups. I think we as americans have a birthright to bear arms for several reasons. Of course the main reasons are for protection of self and family and for a means of resistance against tyranny.
In order for a group to protect themselves against a tyranical government then the members of that group must contribute themselves, and by "themselves" means that they would give their life for the cause. As everyone here knows one of the most detramental problems we have in this country is lazy americans who dont, wont, and have never worked to contribute to thier lives by providing for themselves or contributed to this country by paying taxes. They have sat idley by while hardworking americans pay taxes so that the sedentary can be sustained through welfare programs that they have never contributed to. Needless to say these people would not be any help if it came a time for resistance for if they wont work, why would they fight. A man is only worth the salt he earns. I have been a cop for five years and made many arrest. 95% of the people I have arrested are not employed. 95% of people who work dont cause any trouble because they are busy at work, and too tired for trouble at home.
I hate to consider restrictions on gun ownership but I feel that in order to possess a firearm one must be a contributor to society. That may be by proving that one is a productive citizen who actually works for a living. It doesnt matter what a mans legal profession is whether he be a CEO or the fry cook at mcdonalds. Or by being an unemployed college student who is working towards a productive future. It is very rare for a robbery to be committed by someone with a full time job. If someone wishes to be a leach on society and drain the already exhausted social security system; I think that it should be a felony for someone to possess a firearm whose use for the weapon would be only to take what he will not work for. That is how I feel and how I feel doesnt mean jack I know; but I was wondering how those of you here at thr feel about my thoughts.

 

[kingpin008]

Despite wishful thinking on the part of some select politicians, you can't restrict a right. That's the long and short of it. Even though an individual may not work and be a "productive" member of society, they deserve the same means of self defense as you and I do. Those who advocate taking away that ability are no help to any American.

 

[CoRoMo]

I feel afraid of your thoughts... coming from a law enforcement officer.

Are you serious?!!?
You think possession of a firearm should be a felony offense for an unemployed person?
You assume that a person who is down on their luck, drawing unemployment, would only use a firearm to...

"take what he will not work for".

Yikes. Coming from an LEO, that scares me.
What if Joe Unemployed wants to go deer hunting? Is that taking what he will not work for?

Sheesh!

 

[shootistpd27]

I would appreciated it if you would read the ENTIRE post and not just skim over it. I referred to those who are abled bodied, and have NEVER had a job. I was referring to those who have NEVER contributed.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I hold no brief for sponging lice, but I am afraid we cannot restrict a right because we disapprove of someone's lifestyle, if no crime is being committed.

 

[CoRoMo]

I did read it all.

Your solution is to strip them of their unalienable rights?

Disappointing.

 

[ciwsguy]

Shootistpd27,
Your statement "I think that it should be a felony for someone to possess a firearm whose use for the weapon would be only to take what he will not work for." confuses me.

Using a weapon to rob others is already a felony, isn't it?

I bet you do see alot of scum-bums that don't work, don't want to work, drink alot, do drugs, and sit back mooching off others.

You are in Law Enforcement, so how do you think you could enforce keeping scum-bums from having firearms? I wonder just how many of those guns in the hands of scum-bums are actually stolen firearms? Since you have the eyes on the streets and arrest the bums, do you have an idea of how many firearms in the hands of criminals are actually bought legally?

Keep your body armor on, dude! I bet you experience some depression from all of the idiots you must deal with every day while you're on duty.

 

[kingpin008]

I read it all as well, and it still doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Can you clarify this particular sentence for me? I don't think I quite understand.

I think that it should be a felony for someone to possess a firearm whose use for the weapon would be only to take what he will not work for.

Are you really trying to tell us that you think that because someone does not work, if they owned a firearm they'd own it simply to commit crimes with?

If that really is what you mean, I think you'd be well served seeking professional psychiatric help.

 

[shotgunjoel]

So if I lose my job, and therefore am no longer contributing to the mighty machine, I have to get rid of all of my guns!? So if I lose my job I lose my constitutional and God-given rights, no 'bout NO!!!

 

[shotgunjoel]

This is all a load of elitist BS! Do you belong to AHSA??

 

[Shung]

worse than MDS...

wow..

 

[CoRoMo]

shootistpd27...

Look, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt because I highly respect what you do everyday. However, you have to realize that this is America. Men and women die overseas so that these bums can mooch off of you and me. I hate the idea of it too, but I'm never going to disarm a free man. I think your heart is/was in the right place, but you need to rethink this one.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Liberty, my friend... liberty.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

You're the cop, I'll ask you: Won't they get the guns illegally anyway?

I'm a little aprehensive about taking away their means to self-defense, unaliable right or not, just because of monetary status.

 

[JochenWeber]

Your thoughts about gun ownership are very scary particular from a law enforcement officer.

I always thought that the requirements to become a law enforcement officer are too low and applicants should have at least a college degree. And a psychological background wouldn't hurt either.

Do you really believe we could stop a tyrannical government with the guns we own?

Dream on.....!

 

[Tamlin]

I hear what you're saying - and I'm working as a city prosecutor - but still, until a man commits a robbery (armed or not), he is still innocent of a crime. It is not a crime to be homeless; it is not a crime to use the system to get welfare checks (well, sometimes it is). And I understand your point - that you are referring to the dregs of society that don't give a d@mn about America or what she stands for - not those people who are simply "down on their luck." And I agree that these people are parasites. But, until a person actually commits a crime, I will support their rights to every freedom they possess under the Constitution.

Here's another thought: if someone is truly homeless and a dreg on society, how can he afford to have a gun in the first place? If he stole it, or bought it from a fence, then he is guilty of a felony anyway.

 

[AKElroy]

Here's another thought: if someone is truly homeless and a dreg on society, how can he afford to have a gun in the first place? If he stole it, or bought it from a fence, then he is guilty of a felony anyway.

Wrong. The unemployed in many states can draw upwards of $400.00 per week. That would fill my gun tag nicely. The constitution GUARANTEES EXISTING rights, it does not restrict, condition, or provide them. Conditioning a right is not appropriate, and in the proper interpretation, illegal. I frankly cannot think of any better way for government teet money to be spent than in the exercise of a God given right.

 

[stickhauler]

This Makes Me Quite Nervous.....

Especially coming from a person who states they are in law enforcement. Funny, I know several people who have lived their entire lives in the welfare system, and none of them have committed a crime in their lives. This opinion paints with such a broad brush that it's actually frightening.

But, I defend the original poster's right to voice their opinion. Just as I have when I went into the military to defend the rights of people to express political views that I found shortsighted, and often times treasonous.

I understand that some see the ownership of firearms as a means to defend our country against tyranny. I somehow doubt my little 9mm would put up much of a fight against a Warthog ground attack plane. But that's just me..

 

[Straight Shooter]

I think that it should be a felony for someone to possess a firearm whose use for the weapon would be only to take what he will not work for.

It is a felony to commit a crime with a firearm, and once a felon they lose the right to own a firearm. But until someone actually commits a crime they are not a criminal.

I think I understand (although disagree with) the point you are trying to make, that somehow we need to restrict guns to good, hard working, honorable people. But who would be the judge?

Would you stand as judge in front of a man who has committed no crime and state "You are not worthy to defend your life"?

 

[Dark Skies]

That's a disturbing train of thought. Next stop ... their right to vote?

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

but I do think the they need to place certain restrictions on certain groups.

Thanks for clarifying where you stand. All people are created equal, but some are more equal than others, right?

I repeat my response to another thread tonight.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

How 'bout we punish bad actions instead of pre-judging people before they do anything wrong?

I could actually understand a requirement to own land or have a job to vote, but I do not agree with such a rule for inalienable rights.

 

[TIMC]

So if I read right you are saying that a house wife has no right to protect herself?

I guess my 28 year old handicapped daughter who is wheelchair bound and unable work because of health issues should be locked up if she chooses to protect herself?

Only an elitest groups whom you would select should have firearms is basically what you are saying, You sir scare me as much as Obama!

 

[kabrn]

if you tread on the rights of any one group you will open up your on rights to be tread upon after all who decides who is productive. the rich, middle class, the poor, heaven forbid it be the government

 

[12131]

Speechless, I'm just speechless (at the OP).

 

[Dark Skies]

"I could actually understand a requirement to own land or have a job to vote,"

ReadyontheRight - So an impoverished group couldn't vote for change ... like say, for a representative that had a viable plan to tackle mass unemployment?

Deny them a voice but allow them guns? You know that's how revolutions start, right?