sorry about this but I need to complain

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REgarding the original post:

As you are a gun owner I don't think you should be flipping out at the sight of a gun. Leave that for the irrational anti's. Much of your statement is assumption (one being that he's carrying for SD in the first place) but regardless it is not constructive to RKBA to get in a tizzy about someone carrying around a gun in a safe manner.

If someone walked into that retail store to commit a robbery and seen the firearm strapped to his hip, they are going to open fire on the entire store starting with Mr. armed civilian! If that weapon was concealed the robber would have no idea Mr. armed civilian was armed giving him the advantage and protecting everyone around him. 2nd complaint is, he was carrying at night, with no flashlight!!!!! Here is a drill everyone can try. Start at a practical distance, draw your firearm as fast as you can and shoot as fast as you can just like it would be in a real life gunfight at night without a flashlight. For every missed shot , is one dead bystander!!!!! In the real world that will cost you 20yrs behind bars and knowing you killed little Sally because you didnt think you would need a flashlight for self defense!!!!!!
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Sounds to me like: "I SAW A GUN AND I WAS ANGRY AND AFRAID!".

As a gun owner I am glad to see other civilians with firearms and I'm glad to know there are a lot more unseen ones around me every day too.
 
Nothing wrong with open carry. Should be normal. But it's not in the new USSA. Tacticly it's a dumb idea. But it's sad that we get miffed about someone open carrying, as it is perfectly legal.

Sve the anti gun paranoia for the libbys.

That said it's a way better idea to get a permit to CCW instead.
 
Hey look everybody, there's a dead horse! Let's go beat it with hammers!



The debate is pretty simple really. CC makes everybody more relaxed, doesn't upset the sheep, and has the "element of surprise."

OC is more comfortable for the carrier and provides the opportunity for the sheep to see that everybody with a gun isn't a maniac. It's also much more hassle with stares and whispers and MWAG 911 calls. You lose your "element of surprise," but personally I'd rather not have to surprise anybody. I'd rather not have anybody assault me in the first place. But that's just me.

But by all means, don't let me stop anybody from beating that horse to death, again.
 
If it was legal here, I would prefer OC simply because it is more comfortable to me. If it just meant covered with a shirt or coat, as is the case for LEOs, CC would be fine, but the lengths one has to go to to avoid printing are a hassle.

Yes, some people will get upset. Officious busybodies and people with piercings and Kool-Aid-colored hair bother me, but that doesn't mean I get to make a big deal of it or tell some business that such people can't be admitted. I present no more actual danger to other patrons than the busybodies or masochists. Probably less: the busybodies won't leave people alone, whereas I will.

If you don't like open carry, fine! Don't open carry. It's your choice. But remember: it only applies to you.
 
In the state of Indana you do not have to have a ccw permit to carry concealed.
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In INDIANA, you do need a License to Carry in order to carry both concealed or open. A quick Google search would show you that.
Indiana is a "shall issue" state for the License to carry a handgun. The Indiana license to carry allows both open and concealed carry. Most Indiana residents confuse the license to carry a handgun with a CCW. A license to carry will be issued to individuals age 18 or older who meet a number of legal requirements.
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http://www.usacarry.com/indiana_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
Shall Issue to Residents and Non-Resident
Applications are made through the local police department; permits are issued by the Indiana State Police

Permit Information and Requirements: Must provide fingerprints, fill out one page application that includes personal information such as height, weight, race, hair and eye color, and reason for carrying (the two options for reason for carrying are personal protection and target shooting)

Open Carry: Prohibited unless one possesses a recognized permit.

NICS check: Yes; an Indiana permit does not exempt anyone from the NICS check

Cost: 4-year personal protection license: $40; renewal $30Lifetime personal protection: $125; for a person who holds a 4-year license and renews into a lifetime license, $100

Required Documents: None

Informing Law Enforcement of Carry: Not required

Automobile carry: Only with a permit

Places off-limits when carrying: 1. In or On School Property.
2. On a school bus 3. In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function 4. Private School(IC 20*9.1*1*3) & (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
5. Head Start (IC 35*41*1*24.7) 6. Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7)
7. IC 35*47*9*1Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.
8. On an aircraft 9. Controlled access areas of an airport 10. During annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in vehicle) 11. Shipping port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by Indiana Port Commission) 12. A riverboat Casino
Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine: Yes
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Wow, stop feeding the troll!!

Open carry is great.
Concealed Carry is great.

OP is wrong, you need a permit in Indiana.

Paragraphs are your friend.
Punctuation is your friend.

First post on THR being a "OMG I HATE THIS TACTIC" - Not smart. You would be wise to steer clear of Caliber or Brand debates for your first posts also :)


/rant off.
 
The only problem I have with what he did was the Uncle Mikes holster...I'm a firm believer in decent holsters :D :evil: (Was A Joke...I don't really care what it's carried in)

I don't care if folks OC or CC, makes no difference to me, both options are legal here and people don't usually freak out...I use both methods.
 
I laughed out loud when I read the first sentence in the OP. I then skipped down and browsed a few responses and got the gist of what's going on here. Thanks for the chuckle and welcome.
 
This is probably one of the better first posts I've seen. How/what a stranger chooses to carry, so long as it's legal, is really no one else's business. His choice, his responsibility. That's what happens when we live in a free country.
 
This is the first time I have tried to talk some sense into people.
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And, hoepfully, your last. M.Y.O.B. I am sure the gentleman was probably just full of his own common sense and didn't have room for your "sense". I would't have room for your "sense" either.

2nd complaint is, he was carrying at night, with no flashlight!!!!!
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You complained about a gun on his hip! Now you want him to add a flashlight too?!? Give me a break... then you would come on here and say he was all tacticool mall ninja with his gun and flashlight on his belt...

In the state of Indana you do not have to have a ccw permit to carry concealed.
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Really?!? Try telling that to the arresting officer or the judge. You had zero credibility to start with and that one puts you in the negative.

How about this little gem in Indiana statutes:
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/ch2.html
IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body, except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.

If someone walked into that retail store to commit a robbery and seen the firearm strapped to his hip, they are going to open fire on the entire store starting with Mr. armed civilian!
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Once again, as always, provide us with ONE, just ONE example of this happening somewhere other than your fantasyland.

There is one difference between the person that open carries and the person that conceal carries - that difference being where they tuck their shirt in.

Damn it, I just ran out of troll food.

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But by all means, don't let me stop anybody from beating that horse to death, again.
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You would think with all the guns around here we would just shoot them, wouldn't you!
 
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I love how the OP hasnt shown his face since the masses massed down on him.....
 
wow, im impressed. I fall aspleep last night and get 37 hits before 11am the next morning. I can draw my firearm from my bladetech iwb under a light shirt and my surefire w/ beltclip very fast. (the mini maglite was a bad example) I have read true stories about robbers opening fire when spotting an armed civilian. Im not ashamed of the right to keep and bare arms, I just think carrying concealed is more practical. In the state of indiana you do have to have a permit to carry a firearm but not a ccw to carry concealed. Yes street lights do offer enough light at most times but if I assumed I would have a street light everywhere I go, thats just dangerous thinking. we carry firearms because we choose to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I prepare for the worst case possible, not what I think the chances are would happen. chances are none of us will ever have to use our firarms and yet, we still carry.
 
I can draw my firearm from my bladetech iwb under a light shirt and my surefire w/ beltclip very fast.
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You're obviously more tactical than Batman. Kudos. I tend to think I'm much slower than I'd like to be.:eek:
 
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I have carried concealed with officers knowing about it without a ccw and have gotten only smiles and handshakes. officers want people to carry concealed. it keeps people from freeking out and calling 911. "oh my god, someones carrying a gun in walmart, please come quick".
 
To some people, concealed is better for them, and I commend you for your choices of how to prepare. However, those are your choices and what is best for you is not best for everyone else. That person may have very good reasons for open carrying and not carrying a flashlight (or he might have one stashed somewhere else...). He might have a laser on the pistol or a light mounted. He might have figured out that he doesn't need it or that's it's a burden to carry. He might be carrying openly as a way to acclimate others around him to firearms. He might be an off-duty officer ....

We generally want to show gun owners as a good group of responsible, normal people. Berating another gun owner over your opinion, that is a stranger to you, in public, is not the type of representation that gun owners want or need. He's not breaking the law or endangering anyone else, so I would suggest that in the future, don't make a big deal out of it.
 
its cool. most people insult when they realize what they have been doing is unsafe and impractical.
 
I have carried concealed with officers knowing about it without a ccw and have gotten only smiles and handshakes. officers want people to carry concealed. it keeps people from freeking out and calling 911. "oh my god, someones carrying a gun in walmart, please come quick".
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We don't advocate or tolerate unlawful behavior here.
 
I have carried concealed with officers knowing about it without a ccw...
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How did the officers know you were illegally carrying without a permit, if it was concealed? Were they just friends of yours? Otherwise, why do you think they looked to other way from that crime?
 
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