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I didn’t think ARs were that fragile. My M16A2 certainly wasn’t; it only ever needed cleaning.
Speculatory AR15 purchase ahead of any upcoming bans?
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CoalTrain49
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Never had any issue with PSA builds. Worried about AR-15 ban? Buy one of these on sale with free shipping.View attachment 1111861
Dems know what an AK is. They figured that one out a long time ago. Has to do with self loading. Not what country developed it or what country actually produced it.
Even the Ruger 10/22 is an assault rifle in this state and restricted in some manner.
Charlie98
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In the military... as a soldier... all you are allowed to do is clean your weapon. The armorer had all the spare parts...
Not in my state. μολὼν λαβέ
My son-in-law owns a BCM AR-15 that I mailed to him. Legal here. Ship UPS to me c/o him. The state of Washington has no idea he owns it or the eight "high capacity" magazines I sent before the deadline.
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I would say grab one if you want one. It is looking good for us as far as 2A cases being heard, so a ban is not as looming in my foresight.
Regardless of that, I'd say get one if you don't have one because they are an amazing rifle.
I highly suggest you grab one in the ubiquitous 5.56 to start and a .22 conversion or upper isn't a bad idea.
A 16" M4-ergy or 20" is a good idea considering you get the most range out of the cartridge.
Consider other calibers as you see fit.
Useful for different situations while still being based around what you already know.
As far as 9MM goes, I did an AR9 and I like mine.
I went short to keep it close to subsonic, but have been considering doing a 8-10" 9MM build to gain more velocity.
It sounds like your considering a 16" length, no experience with them personally. If you have a bunch of 9MM, I'd get one. Also, I used a dedicated Glock lower. You can use magwell inserts to keep it down to one lower and two uppers. Plus, the inserts are great if you have any other gun but a Glock.
I hear good things about the Beretta CX4, but no experience.
Regardless of that, I'd say get one if you don't have one because they are an amazing rifle.
I highly suggest you grab one in the ubiquitous 5.56 to start and a .22 conversion or upper isn't a bad idea.
A 16" M4-ergy or 20" is a good idea considering you get the most range out of the cartridge.
Consider other calibers as you see fit.
Useful for different situations while still being based around what you already know.
As far as 9MM goes, I did an AR9 and I like mine.
I went short to keep it close to subsonic, but have been considering doing a 8-10" 9MM build to gain more velocity.
It sounds like your considering a 16" length, no experience with them personally. If you have a bunch of 9MM, I'd get one. Also, I used a dedicated Glock lower. You can use magwell inserts to keep it down to one lower and two uppers. Plus, the inserts are great if you have any other gun but a Glock.
I hear good things about the Beretta CX4, but no experience.
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Low volume shooting with an actual active maintenance program that you wouldn't see being a reservist would do that to you because you weren't seeing the bigger picture behind the scenes. There's a reason why there is Active Duty Army Reserves and Active Duty National Guard at all unit levels.
But when it wasn't, then we saw things that weren't supposed to happen to M16 and M4's, happen to units like the 507th Maintenance Company who were in the fight for their lives. An ordinance company with a shop office, three MST's at the minimum that includes a combined MST dedicated 45B weapons shop, who should have raised the flag asking why they never saw the company's WO's from their ULLS-G 92A after being requested by either their 92Y or assigned unit armorer, in receiving their company's weapons to inspect yearly.
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JeeperCreeper
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Pretty sure the AK suggestion was a joke...
Anyways, I feel like this is a very 2011 question.
What are you waiting for? Buy one
Iwi Zion is the best affordable option in my mind without playing with one
Anyways, I feel like this is a very 2011 question.
What are you waiting for? Buy one
Iwi Zion is the best affordable option in my mind without playing with one
I wasn't aware of that one, but looked it up. Yep. I'm a big fan of 1:8" twist. Many of us simply want to shoot cheap 55gr and 62gr pills and that performs well.
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Only thing I will add to this little discussion is....
I bought one 30 years ago, way back when that first ban came around. Not saying it will go the same way and an obscure rifle the most popular rifle in america. But you never know what the truth holds.
Everyone back then thought it was an M16, wow you have a machine gun....no, how did you get that from the army...I didn't. On and on. People just did not have them back then. Every person in america was not screwing them together from a catalog. And we now know just what has happened to the "modern sporting rifle", what a stupid term.
Now get off my lawn.
I bought one 30 years ago, way back when that first ban came around. Not saying it will go the same way and an obscure rifle the most popular rifle in america. But you never know what the truth holds.
Everyone back then thought it was an M16, wow you have a machine gun....no, how did you get that from the army...I didn't. On and on. People just did not have them back then. Every person in america was not screwing them together from a catalog. And we now know just what has happened to the "modern sporting rifle", what a stupid term.
Now get off my lawn.
Charlie98
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Kind of my thought... but the reasoning actually predates 2011... more like 1994, or, if you want to be silly... 1968.
CoalTrain49
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I'm not sure what states you're talking about here and who owns what in what state. If the AR was shipped to WA the state has a registry and the form is filled out when the rifle is transferred by FFL. WA has a UBC and has for awhile. A person can still own an AR and high cap magazines in WA.
My response was directed at the definition of an "assault rifle" which most every legislator who writes a bill to restrict those has figured out how to do that. The definition that WA uses would include an AK and lots of other self loading rifles.
Personally, I don't think the restrictions are joke worthy.
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If you want one, get it.
As far as,
That probably wouldn’t be the best idea if I were a gun grabbing liberal, as I would follow the precedent the last President set and just expand it. If bump fire stocks make a machinegun out of a semiautomatic and we can prove a cheap sliding stock isn’t needed to bump fire a semiauto. So, all semiautos are machine guns and you now must turn it in, destroy it or become a criminal. No grandfathering, no buy back or other compensation, your “investment” is a total loss…
Thanks Trump.
That said, I think you are a little late to the panic party. Might as well wait until after the midterms and go early vote now.
As far as,
That probably wouldn’t be the best idea if I were a gun grabbing liberal, as I would follow the precedent the last President set and just expand it. If bump fire stocks make a machinegun out of a semiautomatic and we can prove a cheap sliding stock isn’t needed to bump fire a semiauto. So, all semiautos are machine guns and you now must turn it in, destroy it or become a criminal. No grandfathering, no buy back or other compensation, your “investment” is a total loss…
Thanks Trump.
That said, I think you are a little late to the panic party. Might as well wait until after the midterms and go early vote now.
CoalTrain49
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Exactly.
Lets say I buy 1K worth of 30 rd magazines in WA before the restrictions go into effect. About the only thing I can do with those now is keep them. I can't sell them or even give them away. They have to be acquired before the deadline. All of this is just legal mumbo jumbo and likely won't be enforced to any degree but a person can technically be charged with the possession of a >10 rd magazine. Just another tool in the prosecutors box to be used against you.
Mostly, I think about resale when I buy something. Some things are going to wear out but an AR won't. About the only thing I can do with an AR that becomes restricted is bury it in my back yard or chop it up. Why would I buy something I can't legally use or sell next year?
Biden is making noises about banning AR15s, since their bullets travel 5X as fast as a normal bullet and they have 100 round magazines with 8 bullets per round. (that's 800 rounds in one mag!)
Background: I'm a retired Army Reservist. I carried an M16A2 and was not impressed with M16s until I had some quality time with one in the Army. I was amazed I could hit a man-sized silhouette at 300 m with some regularity with the peep sight in the handle.
Last week, I saw the LGS had a lot of 30 round AR15 mags on sale. I bought 4 or 5 on speculation, remembering what happened to mag supplies during the Clinton ban. (I can't believe how CHEAP they are! Why are pistol mags $50 ea. and AR15 mags are $13 ea.?!)
I've decided I want to get one of these magical guns now, in case the gun-grabbers are successful.
Although I don't have some specific use, I figure "What the hell, if nothing else, it will be fun at the range, just like it used to be in my Army days." Might make its way into being a home defense gun or something else one day. Factory ammo is affordable too...
After that, I may get a bolt action in .223 also.
Now that I'm a civilian, I'm thinking something similar to my old M16, but maybe with some civilian conveniences"
I'm mechanically inclined, but don't want to do any hand-fitting. Building one would be an option but the world of building AR15s is so big that I'm intimidated. If there's no monetary benefit in building my own, I'd probably just get a factory standard one.
- Pic rail that will take an optic, if I so desire. I think I can swap on a carry handle w/peep sight, right?
- Full length barrel (like the M16A2) I want the full velocity benefit of the longer barrel for 5.56/223.
- I don't need match accuracy, but would like "good" accuracy. Is 2 MoA is doable for my envisioned price of under $1k?
- I want good basic quality; no chintzy finish or rough bores, but don't need anything too glitzy
- I kind of liked the storage in the stock of my old M16, but I guess I could buy a stock like that any time I want to replace the typical collapsible stock? (which I think are legal in WI)
Right now, without knowing much of anything about ARs, I'm leaning toward a S&W M&P 15 Sport II w/10 rd mag, adj. A2 post and optic-ready:
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/mp-15-sport-ii?sku=11616
Would this be a good one for my needs? Any that are better quality for the same money with good support from an American company? Fully Made in the USA is preferred, as long as it doesn't double the price or anything
I noticed they're available used all day long for $500. Is there any reason why they're so reasonable? Are people upgrading by building their own?
Am I barking up the wrong tree? If I DO end up using it for home defense, maybe 9 mm would be more appropriate, as I live in the suburbs, and it seems like expanding 9 mm defense ammo wouldn't punch through as many walls as 5.56, but would still be good out to 50-100 yards for fun at the range.
Similar ideas in the same vein:
I know it's a lot of questions, but I appreciate any help.
- 9 mm AR-style and return those unopened AR15 mags? I can already reload 9 mm, 9 mm is cheap too.
- PCC in 9 mm? I kind of like the Beretta CX4, for example.
I suggest you take a look at the Ruger MPR. It meets all of your requirements and it comes with a full pic rail and hand guard, 18" barrel, rifle length gas system and an upgraded trigger.
Just my opinion.
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The problem with stocking up on spare parts is they start growing into new guns. You think to yourself "hey I should get a new LPK as a spare. And that's a good price for a BBG, I could use it to steal parts if something ever broke on one of my other AR's." Then you see a good deal on a lower and think to yourself "well I already have a LPK and spare BCG collecting dust, it wouldn't take much more to have a complete gun".
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That looks perfect: https://ruger.com/products/ar556MPR/specSheets/8514.html
That looks just about perfect. Would I be able to fit an A2-style carry handle, stock & sights?
I read somewhere that it was originally designed for an 18.5" barrel, so the 18" barrel seems like a good option. The rifle-length gas system means less recoil, right?
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That's the OCD talking. My OCD is not having the parts already on hand to repair or replace (my username does check out here).
Have you ever cleaned an AR, and do a gas ring test after reassembly of the BCG, and it fails? Or were you ever brought a kaboomed rifle from a friend that still has a functional lower receiver, take off all of unserviceable, install serviceable, and sending them off and think, glad I was able to have the parts to do that for even myself or others? Ever shot out a barrel? Do upgrades for friends who don't know how to it on their own and see a bad takedown pin spring install that needs to be replaced? Or do your own upgrade and see that the factory assembler did the bad install themselves that needs to be taken care of? High round count classes and suddenly a bolt lug shears off, breaks at the cam pin, etc?
That's why you have it, not to to be OCD wanting it all to become a new rifle. Wanting spare parts to become new rifles is how folks get over their heads, and then we get to read about their wanting to be minimal posts later on, or reading their asking for a cheap something something because now they have two many guns to feed optics, lights, whatever for and cannot understand that they did this to themselves.
So again, problem? Hardly NOT.
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It might be something, but in my case it's most certainly not OCD. My wife thinks I'm too carefree. My VP once told me during a performance review that being as laid-back as I am is a rare but excellent trait for an engineer. My wife has OCD issues, if I did as well we wouldn't be able to stand each other! My 3 year old son is showing signs of OCD as well, I kind of feel sorry for him! I'd argue what's OCD is feeling the need to have spare parts in a bin somewhere so you can readily fix any part on an AR15.
Honestly I see those extra AR's as spare parts guns. I have one that I consider my HD gun. Another I'd consider a backup HD gun. The rest are range toys and if I had to rob parts from one to get one of the first 2 running it wouldn't bother me a bit.
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Well, I'm thinking the government is smart enough to know it can't really enforce a "turn in your guns and magazines" action for AR15s. I'm thinking a ban would look more like the Clinton 1994 ban, where standard capacity magazines are grandfathered.
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Well you do you then, and I'll do me. I like having my own mini warehouse of a prescribed load list and think nothing of it other than being repair parts. That includes stripped serialized lowers too. To each their own.
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I've built one AR during or immediately after the last few presidential inaugurations.
It seemed to be an appropriate thing to do... .
It seemed to be an appropriate thing to do... .
One has not to underestimate the effects of a ban. It the ban is confiscatory, you might 'hide' your guns but they become piratically useless unless there is a civilization fail.
Training with them would be illegal and those course disappear.
Legal hunting would ban them.
Competitions would probably ban them as the organizers would not want to take the risk of having illegal guns at their events.
Manufacturers would be out of business.
Using them in self-defense would leave you to be crucified at trial for being a criminal to start out with.
You are at risk of being turned in. Your kids might babble. In a domestic dispute, your partner has the assault sword of Damocles hanging over your head.
If you hide and pass away, you have left a legal headache for your heirs.
If the ban is grandfathered (and many antigunners know that grandfathering was one reason the past AWB had no effect), that will eventually erode the legal base as sales and inheritance will probably be forbidden.
In any case, a ban will be part of a culture war miasma on having such guns and perhaps turn long gun ownership back to limited guns for hunting, bulleseye and the like.
Hopefully, SuperClarence will lead the court to clearly state that AWBs and mag bans are contrary to the purpose on the 2nd Amendment of self-defense, defense against tyranny (and maybe invasion, sedition, etc.). He will not get lost (yet again) with wandering into principles of scrutiny level or historical precedent which lead to loopholes or their use by obstructionist lower courts and state governments. Clear statements are need and they don't need to be 70 pages of blather that always contains flaws.
Training with them would be illegal and those course disappear.
Legal hunting would ban them.
Competitions would probably ban them as the organizers would not want to take the risk of having illegal guns at their events.
Manufacturers would be out of business.
Using them in self-defense would leave you to be crucified at trial for being a criminal to start out with.
You are at risk of being turned in. Your kids might babble. In a domestic dispute, your partner has the assault sword of Damocles hanging over your head.
If you hide and pass away, you have left a legal headache for your heirs.
If the ban is grandfathered (and many antigunners know that grandfathering was one reason the past AWB had no effect), that will eventually erode the legal base as sales and inheritance will probably be forbidden.
In any case, a ban will be part of a culture war miasma on having such guns and perhaps turn long gun ownership back to limited guns for hunting, bulleseye and the like.
Hopefully, SuperClarence will lead the court to clearly state that AWBs and mag bans are contrary to the purpose on the 2nd Amendment of self-defense, defense against tyranny (and maybe invasion, sedition, etc.). He will not get lost (yet again) with wandering into principles of scrutiny level or historical precedent which lead to loopholes or their use by obstructionist lower courts and state governments. Clear statements are need and they don't need to be 70 pages of blather that always contains flaws.
JeeperCreeper
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Haha very true!
I wasn't in the game at those dates, I was 4 in '94! I remember being in awe when I found a bunch of "illegal banana clips" for an SKS in a crate of junk when I was like 10!
I do read alot of the old 50's and 60's gun magazines on PDF. Funny how the language and issues used are still around. Different year, same problems
Looks like you can buy the carry handle, I don't know if you can find a front post sight though.
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Sounds like a good tradition...
Check smoke alarms, rotate tires, build AR.
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