Spiller&Burr

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The specs concerning the "key" was a written passage contained in an excerpt in some book that was for sale I was reading late last night while researching the Spiller&Burr online...unfortunatly I didn't bookmark the page or remember the name of the book but I should have. :banghead:
 
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Ok I found it...from Colonel Burtons Spiller&Burr book:

"Burton selected the Whitney revolver, Second Model, First Type as a model arm for Spiller & Burr. Burton based his decision on the merits of the arm's performance, stability, design, and ease of construction. The arm was a descendant of Eli Whitney, Jr.'s .36 caliber, single action, percussion revolver, which was patented in 1854 as U.S. Patent No. 11,447. This model was in production at the Whitneyville factory outside of New Haven, Connecticut in 1861."

"The Whitney revolvers were probably the first solid frame pistols to go into full production. The gun had a 7-5/8 inch, blued steel, octagonal barrel that was screwed into the frame. A portion of the thread of the barrel was exposed at the breech as a result of an opening in the frame. A brass pin was attached as a sight. The barrel was rifled with seven lands and grooves. The loading lever was held adjacent to the barrel with a spring and ball type catch. The rammer entered the frame, which had been angle cut to allow insertion of powder and ball. The grip straps were integral with the frame and held black walnut grips. An oval capping groove was cut out of the right recoil shield. A rearsight groove was cut in the top strap. A thumb bolt was located on the left side, which when turned properly would allow the removal of the cylinder axis-pin. The hammer, cylinder axis-pin, and trigger were all rotated on axes created by individual frame screws. The cylinder axis-pin, which was inserted into both ends of the frame, held the 1-3/4 inch long, six shot, steel cylinder suspended in its proper position. The nipples, or cones, were set at a slight angle to the chambers. The oval trigger guard was made of brass. The pistol's length from the end of the backstarp to the muzzle was slightly more than thirteen inches, and each weighed about 2-1/2 pounds."



"Burton adapted this pattern in its entirety except for a few minor substitutions. Due to material shortages, the Southern Whitney differed in two ways. Brass was to be substituted for iron in the fabrication of the lock frame, and iron was to be substituted for steel in the fabrication of the cylinder. Strength was added to the iron cylinders by heating and then twisting the round bars of iron. This process prevented any single chamber from being in parallel alignment with any fault lines in the bar iron. Even though brass was the metal used for the lock frame, the Southern Whitney was to be electroplated in silver. This electroplating made the Confederate copy look very similar to the original Whitney Navy revolver. Also, Burton proposed to round off the muzzle of the barrel instead of manufacturing sharp edges like the model. An example of a first model Spiller and Burr shows a striking resemblance to the Whitney model." (picture not uploaded here)
*note* according to the article the plating was done away with after the samples were shown to the Government as they said brass was more pleasing!
 
S&B

Ahh haa! Great find there, Bluehawk. Now we have something definitive to point to as to its location (and name - thumb bolt). In reading about how many S&Bs flunked the proofing and exploded or cracked, I'm glad I have a repo...well, a repo of a repo (mine was listed at the store as a "Whitney repo", when it's actually a "Whitney repo repo"). I'll probably keep the thumb bolt on the right side so I won't have to make any new wear marks - plus it's easier to turn with my right hand. Thanks again, Bluehawk.
 
Pohill, I wouldn't mind repoing that S&B Repro from you myself. Not only do I like it's design, the history behind it is xlint...very cool. And the strength of that brass frame compared to a Colts I would not worry one bit shooting standard 18-22gr loads in it... my guess is it would out last me. Good find on that one.
Dixie(DGW) still sells the Spiller&Burr kit @ $155.00. Would make a fun project to place original type markings on. If you find a pic of original markings save it and let me know.
 
S&B

SG, trade for...let's see...I dunno...how about maybe a Uberti Remington?
Just kidding. The S&B gives me my Remmie Fix.
 
Pohill
I agree...the S&B gives me my Remington fix also...it appears to be a cross between a Remmie and a Colt...Remmie on the outside with Colt innards! And it's just plain pretty!!!!!
Can ya believe the prices they go for today?? DGW wants around $200 and Marstars in Canada asks about $245 (US dollars) for the Pietta model. Just a few years ago I paid just under $100 for mine, new in the box, with Navy Arms paperwork. (bought it from a private individual)
So how do these things group anyway??????
 
S&B

I paid a little over $100 last winter for mine. As far as grouping - I cannot hit paper targets for beans, but I like the bang and the boom and the smoke and the dirt or snow jumping next to whatever I'm shooting at on the hill. I used to be a Poleece Man and at the academy they told us that the average cop scores a 96% on the range, and 18% on the street. So much for accuracy.
Anyways, back to your question...my S&B is not that accurate (or maybe it's me). Shoots very high.
 
Colt 1861

I had to post that pic. Actually, it was my Bday present, even though I put it on hold 2 months ago. My son gave me 10 lbs of lead, my daughter gave me a can of BP and a tin of caps. Gotta train 'em right...he he
 
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