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And for the record... I'm out of the SA-35 market. Turkish? Don't want it. Me and my rattley T series with a 30% finish and my battered "assembled in Portugal" mkIII are snooty like that
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I am a BHP guy. I am aware of a lot of the talk. If you look closely people who know the platform are proceeding with caution.
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Are these the purist garbage parts you speak of? Look an awful lot like the Girsan parts.
I wish you the best of luck in dropping the value of your collection in order to add to it. My post was in reference to what looks to be a rather faithful reproduction of the HiPower at a price affordable by shooters who don’t already own a safe full of customs with an attitude.
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If SA is getting raw forgings CNC machining will allow you to change the look of the frame.
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Right some of them are stock guns. Those two examples are stock. One is a fixed sight Practical. The other is a hard chromed MKII. You clearly have no knowledge of the custom BHP world or really the BHP world in general. Let me give you a shovel so you can continue to dig a your hole of ignorance. These are also in that pic.
You clearly are a troll. How many BHPs do you own? What is your round count on the platform. What personal experience with BHPs sets you up as someone who can meaningfully comment on these guns? Do you even own one?
Yes this gun is great for people who want a out of the box BHP. No doubt about that. As for the dropping value of the guns in the pic. I am not worried one bit.
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The Tisas got pretty good reviews from knowledgeable hi power people when it was briefly introduced awhile ago as an “honest” Turk clone. The consensus seemed to be that a couple of non-FN-spec pins needed to be replaced by a smith for optimum reliability and after that it should be good to go.
They are not junk, just like the RIA 1911s are not junk. Are they what everyone wants? No. Otherwise we’d all be buying the Canik guns and Glock, FN, et al. would go out of business. Some people prize a more elegant finish, and a name, with real heritage. These things cost money. Some people also don’t care for SAI’s anti gun political chicanery or rebranding of foreign guns under the very historic Springfield Armory name.
I think the SAI hi power has a real promise and place in the market. It seems to be a well made gun in a desirable design, at a good price. And some people will be happy it says Springfield on the slide, while others will not.
For my part I wish it said “made in Brazil” because I think their girls are prettier and I’m an anti-Turkish bigot. But that won’t stop me from buying one once supply and prices stabilize and any kinks get worked out.
They are not junk, just like the RIA 1911s are not junk. Are they what everyone wants? No. Otherwise we’d all be buying the Canik guns and Glock, FN, et al. would go out of business. Some people prize a more elegant finish, and a name, with real heritage. These things cost money. Some people also don’t care for SAI’s anti gun political chicanery or rebranding of foreign guns under the very historic Springfield Armory name.
I think the SAI hi power has a real promise and place in the market. It seems to be a well made gun in a desirable design, at a good price. And some people will be happy it says Springfield on the slide, while others will not.
For my part I wish it said “made in Brazil” because I think their girls are prettier and I’m an anti-Turkish bigot. But that won’t stop me from buying one once supply and prices stabilize and any kinks get worked out.
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Biggest issue with the Tisas was the sight cut. It made it almost impossible to recut and replace the sights. The thumb safety was crap. There were also parts failures with the extractor and the firing pin retaining plate.
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You attacked my post as baseless when all evidence points to a connection. Then you attacked Girsan’s choice of safety and sights. Then you called me an ignorant fool. Then you posted pictures of your collection of BHPs with the same style parts as the Girsan; parts you called, and I am quoting: “garbage”. Then you determined I was blissfully unaware of anything related to the platform. If you fail to find irony in that... I’m not saying SA’s changes aren’t an improvement, only that a “purist” as you called them would surely scoff at any change.
All of this over a comment I made about the Girsan and Springfield being “twins” (meaning born in the same place). And you have the nerve to call others snippy. Just wow. This is why I rarely post anything in the handgun forum.
Colt guys are the same. They are not buying a pistol, they are buying a legend. The legends are in their heads. A pistol don't know no legend.
If the FN pistols run, and you have a lot of confidence in their function and durability, well pay more, because you will probably get what you are looking for. However I have gotten very unromantic about firearms, if they perform well on target, that is what I want. If they are 100% reliable, then that is what I want. If it has features I want, then that is what I want. There are no friendly ghosts that come with a firearm, no feng shui imparted due to its manufacturing location. Firearms are mechanical pieces that are what they are.
I also don't believe that gluing a clump of red string on top of a rock, and painting it pink, makes it a girl rock. Nor do I believe gluing a tiny cowboy hat and painting it blue, makes it a boy rock. Some do.
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Simply they are not twins. If you have any real time on the BHP platform you would know that the safety and the sights are huge improvements in the SA vs the EAA/Grisan. The Grisan is similar to a MKIII Practical which are not great. The U notch with a dot front post is a huge modern upgrade. The thumb safety contour and proper dentant is a huge upgrade. Time on the platform would tell you that. All of your comments are tells that you have very little if any time on the platform.
So to get to the point. How many BHPs do you own? How many rounds do you have on the platform? That gives me and the rest of the world a reference point to consider your comments.
I currently own 15 BHPs. I have had another 10+ in my hands where were sold or traded. I would estimate I have over 30,0000 rounds on the platform over many different guns. Some custom. Some stock. All of them with one exception are FN guns. Put your money where your very loud mouth is. Do you have enough time on the platform to make the statements you are making? I will wait for your answer.
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That's the thing. FN BHPs have proven their reliability and durability for 86 year. There is no clone out there that can make the same claim. FN produced the BHP longer than any other clone maker that came for them reliability and quality IMHO was the reason.
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i believe that is a photoshop joke. I doubt that suit will go anywhere.
It might be a tell that Grisan is not the source of the raw forgings.
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It's OK, kids. You can like them or hate them, but time will tell if they work well or not. It is great to have options, especially when backed by a US company. They will fly or die on the basis of their own performance and support. Your values, your decisions, have it your way!
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This is a bit like saying that Colt has been making 1911s for over 100 years, far more than any competitors, as a reason for dismissing that competition. IMO there haven’t been many BHP clones/competitors/whatever, because the design just hasn’t been that popular in the “sporting” market, and in the contract market, the producers (FN, FEG, FM, Inglis) have been adequate to cover the market. There was never much incentive for a dozen manufacturers large and small to tool up for hi powers. Just the way the industrial contract cookie crumbled. I think we should be grateful that anyone is producing one, since FN has seen fit to abandon the idea. This gun may even be better than the FN product in terms of durability, just due to the fact that it’s probably made of better steel on better, more automated equipment.
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It is all about informed opinions vs keyboard warriors. I guess we have to let those who don't know have their say.
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That is very interesting. Wonder how it will turn out?
The Hi Power has never been made in the USA. Browning imported the guns from FN, who assembled them in Portugal or Belgium. Clones have been made in a number of countries, some of which were arguably as good as FNs. If you don’t like the politics of the country the parts are sourced from, that’s cool. I don’t much like the politics of the USA at the moment. If you don’t like SA, that’s ok too, there are plenty of gun industry companies I don’t like either.
What I do like are better sights from the factory, better grips from the factory, a better thumb safety from the factory, a good feed ramp from the factory, getting rid of that stupid magazine safety from the factory, getting rid of the drop safety cutout in the slide and a better trigger from the factory. At a price point that is reasonable for a steel framed gun in this day and age.
What I do like are better sights from the factory, better grips from the factory, a better thumb safety from the factory, a good feed ramp from the factory, getting rid of that stupid magazine safety from the factory, getting rid of the drop safety cutout in the slide and a better trigger from the factory. At a price point that is reasonable for a steel framed gun in this day and age.
I was going to try to prune out the bickering, but after reading through the last couple of pages, it doesn't seem like a worthwhile task. This thread is certainly circling the drain at this point...170 posts in a thread is plenty
I want to thank the folks who tried to bring some civility to the discussion, but when folks start attacking each other over a difference of opinion, it's just too far over the line to save
With that said, it seems like a good time to put this one to bed
I want to thank the folks who tried to bring some civility to the discussion, but when folks start attacking each other over a difference of opinion, it's just too far over the line to save
With that said, it seems like a good time to put this one to bed
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