Springfield Browning

[Jim Watson]

There used to be a lot of barrels cut off at the breech, rethreaded, and rechambered to get a clean throat, rim and centerfire. I don't know if it is still a popular option.

When C.E. Harris was working on improving 10-22 etc accuracy, he had a source for takeoff Martini barrels. Cut off at breech and muzzle to get clean rifling, he said they shot as well or better than new.

Federal Catalyst primer contains barium oxide and aluminum along with some nitrocellulose to liven things up. They speak of a thermite reaction which will form aluminum oxide. Too fine to grind or a source of wear? There is also a secret sauce package of binders and sensitizers which might include grit.

A research paper shows silicon in all US lead free primers on the market at the time.
That is surely in the form of silica, sand or ground glass which has been used for a long time.

 

[Mosin77]

I want one of these. As a shooter it seems great. Obviously not much “collector” value, compared to a “real” hi power, but the problem with those is, they’re not particularly amazing to actually take to the range and yet if you put a scratch in them, the devaluation is dramatic, which is why most of them in the USA are safe queens.

I don’t really care where it’s made as long as it’s made well.

 

[Skylerbone]

I found an archive page with the article, I clicked through and experienced no problems, but it is an unsecured link. http://web.archive.org/web/20161025034816/http://www.rrdvegas.com/rimfire-cleaning.html

 

[Skylerbone]

Back on topic, I’m a bit shocked no one has mentioned the EAA offering having an MSRP hovering around $500 for what looks to be nearly the same pistol with sights being slightly different in configuration. Forget $1000 steel pistols and buy a brace!

 

[MAKster]

The EAA is made by Girsan in Turkey.

 

[Skylerbone]

The EAA is made by Girsan in Turkey.

The SA 35 is also made by Girsan in Turkey. Then it is shipped 20 min away from me and assembled by Springfield who marks it Made in USA. The difference is the Springfield has an MSRP about $300 North of its twin.

 

[MAKster]

If it is proven the Springfield is from Turkey (most likely Tisas) then interest in it will tank immediately. The backlash from all the Hi Power fanboys who have been gushing for the past will be fierce. Also, I think that EAA ad is a photoshop prank. I haven't seen it on any other gun forum discussing the Springfield. Who is the guy in the framed photo to the left of John Browning?

 

[WVsig]

The SA 35 is also made by Girsan in Turkey. Then it is shipped 20 min away from me and assembled by Springfield who marks it Made in USA. The difference is the Springfield has an MSRP about $300 North of its twin.

If you have proof of that I want to see it. Also The EAA Grisan version lacks some of the improvements in the SA. First the rollmarks suck donkey balls. Next the sights are garbage and you can only hope the dovetail will accept replacements. The thumb safety is not improved. I am not 100% sold on the SA but there is a lot more in the SA gun than in the Grisan. IMHO



Vs this....

 

[WVsig]

If it is proven the Springfield is from Turkey (most likely Tisas) then interest in it will tank immediately. The backlash from all the Hi Power fanboys who have been gushing for the past will be fierce. Also, I think that EAA ad is a photoshop prank. I haven't seen it on any other gun forum discussing the Springfield. Who is the guy in the framed photo to the left of John Browning?

I disagree. The Tisas is a decent slide and frame. The test run by C&S confirmed that. The issue with the Tisas was the small parts which were sub standard. If SA sourced tooled internals and CNCs and finishes the Tisas raw forgings with US based support they have a winner.

 

[MAKster]

The issue isn't whether a Tisas build Hi Power is worth the money. The issue is this will be just one more example of Springfield being dishonest and all the lapdog youtube reviewers going along with it.

 

[WVsig]

The issue isn't whether a Tisas build Hi Power is worth the money. The issue is this will be just one more example of Springfield being dishonest and all the lapdog youtube reviewers going along with it.

Sorry but anyone who thinks SA actually manufacturers guns is living in a bunker without internet or access to the outside world. SA has always leveraged a name they purchased and used it to sell guns made for the most part by someone else. We all should have seen behind the Wizards curtain by now. None of that makes their products bad it simply is what it is. The purist are not buying this gun anyway. People like me are hoping it helps to drop the cost of FN base guns for custom builds. The purist are not buying these because we have real FNs in the safe already.

 

[Skylerbone]

If it is proven the Springfield is from Turkey (most likely Tisas) then interest in it will tank immediately.

You don’t think both companies coming out with HiPower clones shipping within a week of each other is coincidence, do you? You really think everyone here who’s posted they want one is now calling for Springfield to suck eggs?

As for differences, these are subtle differences based on user preference. You don’t like the roll mark? Don’t buy it, it’s not a “feature”. Don’t like the traditional thumb safety? Perhaps the HiPower isn’t for you. The sights are garbage?!? I guess you don’t own many revolvers.

 

[Skylerbone]

Sorry but anyone who thinks SA actually manufacturers guns is living in a bunker without internet or access to the outside world. SA has always leveraged a name they purchased and used it to sell guns made for the most part by someone else. We all should have seen behind the Wizards curtain by now. None of that makes their products bad it simply is what it is. The purist are not buying this gun anyway. People like me are hoping it helps to drop the cost of FN base guns for custom builds. The purist are not buying these because we have real FNs in the safe already.

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So it’s about elitism. Man if those are yours you should sell them all, what with their unimproved safeties and “garbage” sights.

 

[WVsig]

You don’t think both companies coming out with HiPower clones shipping within a week of each other is coincidence, do you? You really think everyone here who’s posted they want one is now calling for Springfield to suck eggs?

As for differences, these are subtle differences based on user preference. You don’t like the roll mark? Don’t buy it, it’s not a “feature”. Don’t like the traditional thumb safety? Perhaps the HiPower isn’t for you. The sights are garbage?!? I guess you don’t own many revolvers.

Sorry you are clearly not a BHP shooter because the thumb safety and the sights make the SA gun worth the extra $100-$200 depending on when and from who you buy it from. The dealer cost on the SA is about $530 the drop shippers are already listing them for as low as $580. A function safety and Heinie like sights are worth the difference in price even if the base guns are the same.

 

[WVsig]

So it’s about elitism. Man if those are yours you should sell them all, what with their unimproved safeties and “garbage” sights.

Clearly you are uneducated when it comes to BHPs. If you knew anything at all about them you would understand that most of those are custom guns done by some of the best BHPs in the world. Sometimes it is better to remain salient and be thought a fool vs opening up your big fat mouth and proving you are an ignorant fool.

#yost #garthwaite #williams #west #cogan LMAO

My point was and is that people who are deep into BHPs will still want FN guns. They might buy a SA or other clone but they covet FN gun for a reason. They simply run. They are the original and with a little help are great shooters. Oh and yes those are 12 of my FN manufactured BHPs. Just a part of the collection. I can guarantee that the new offerings will not effect their value.

Your post screams of ignorance. Clearly a keyboard warrior with little knowledge about the BHP.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

Nope don't care still want one.

The stock sights and safety on a stock BHP are awful.
The difference in price between the EAA and SA is worth it to me and I've never held either.

Have 1 BHP, am at 1 year on waiting to get my gun back from a known BHP smith to correct some of the issues the SA gun addresses.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

If the Springfield was actually, 100% forged, machined, and assembled in the USA (even by off-site subcontractors), they would be singing it from the rooftops. Every other line of ad copy would mention the fact and there would be giant American flags on every page of the catalog.

But its not, so they cant.

This is most certainly the Girsan with some mods, finishing, and assembly done here. Doesn't mean its a bad gun- it is what it is.

 

[Ironicaintit]

Settle down fellas, geez.

 

[danez71]

If you have proof of that I want to see it. Also The EAA Grisan version lacks some of the improvements in the SA. First the rollmarks suck donkey balls. Next the sights are garbage and you can only hope the dovetail will accept replacements. The thumb safety is not improved. I am not 100% sold on the SA but there is a lot more in the SA gun than in the Grisan. IMHO

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Is it just me or do the frames and slides look different?

 

[WVsig]

Settle down fellas, geez.

Sorry but I cannot stand it when people who clearly know nothing about the platform run their mouth like they know. He clearly does not.

 

[WVsig]

Is it just me or do the frames and slides look different?

The cut on the front of the slide and rail area look different but that different CNC machining of the same forging is an easy explanation for the difference.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Is it just me or do the frames and slides look different?

Ive been trying, unsuccessfully, to find any two reference points on the slide or frame that show a visually detectable dimensional difference. The hammer and trigger are slightly different profiles, but I think any perceived difference in the major parts may be an illusion caused by the different surface finishes.

 

[MAKster]

WVsig - This thread is unique in the skepticism being expressed about Springfield. On most other forums and youtube reviews most comments are gushing and giddy to the nth degree about this. They are declaring it the second coming and the revival of the greatest gun of all time, etc. They surely have bought it all hook line and sinker. You might be fine with a well done Turkish copy but I think these guys I am referring to have become emotionally attached to the notion of a US made Hi Power.

 

[Ironicaintit]

Sorry but I cannot stand it when people who clearly know nothing about the platform run their mouth like they know. He clearly does not.

Yeah I get it. But still, maybe take a breath then post. It ain't just you... there's been IMO, a lot more condescension and sniping 'round these parts, as of late. This is the Highroad, not arfcom.
I'm not a prude by any means, but I've had my posts deleted for less

 

[WVsig]

One of the big tells for me is that the SA P 35 frame is drilled for a lanyard loop. That is not for a US focused commercial market pistol. To me that tells me they are using someone else raw forgings. Someone who has a military contract that wants a lanyard loop. #tisas