Springfield, Mauser, Enfield, Arisaka, Nagant, your choice?

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I have recently become interested in comparing the WWI and WWII main battle rifles to each other trying to figure out which is the most accurate. It seems to me after doing initial research that the Springfield seems to be the most accurate against the Mauser, Lee Enfield, Arisaka, Mosin Nagant, and Italian M1891.

Also; what was France's and China's main battle rifles during WWI and WWII and Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Empire's main rifle during WWI, anyone know?

What say you?
 
Of those listed, probably the Mauser is the most accurate and the Enfield the least. You also have to remember that the Springfield is a Mauser derivative, so they should stack up pretty evenly, in theory. The K-31 is probably more accurate than those that you have listed.

France used the MAS 36 in WWII and the Lebel in WWI.
 
They all can be the most accurate......depends on the shooter and the condition of the rifle and quality of the ammo....

I've got all of those and they can all shoot some small groups....but in the end they are only meant to hit a man-sized target and they do that rather well.
 
Id have a 03 first. #1 mk 4 , K98, jap rifle, russian last. If you include other countrys?, Id go anything Swiss or Swede first,03 springfield, Finland,then ... Note; The French Mas 36 is also a very accurate carbine BTW.
 
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I agree - K-31 but...

While I don't have the Springer to compare, my K-31 is dead nuts right off the rack and a marvel of workmanship. It just feels accurate the first time you pick it up.

But...with 7.5 Swiss approaching a buck a round and way more for Norma, it's like having a really nice pick-up truck. Very useful but hard to afford the gas!
 
I'm a Mauser guy all the way. Of the Mausers,the Swedish M96 is tops in accuracy(as a rule). If accuracy is the only criterium set for making a choice then I have to go with a Swiss K31.
 
That'd be an interesting shootoff - two match level shooters one with a K31 the other with a M96 Swedish.

I THINK that the guy with the Swede would win, but it's almost a tossup.
 
Don't forget the M96 Sweedish Mauser - VERY accurate and light kicking round 6.55x55. I've always seen it listed second under the K31 in terms of accuracy.
 
The 1903 Springfield would easily take top honers against the Mauser, Enfield, Arisaka, and Nagant.

If for no other reason then the target grade sights on the Springfield.

No other military rifle ever came close to having the sighting equipment that was standard GI issue on them.

They were also very finely made rifles compared to most of the others, which didn't hurt anything either.

rc
 
Mosins of Finland. M28/30 and/or M39.

These had to shoot around 1.5" at 100m before being accepted into service if memory serves.

I have two antique receivered 39's that are accurate with various surplus ammo, and very accurate with handloaded ammo.
 
On average the K31 or S-R 1911 from Switzerland would be the most accurate. They're fine-tuned for GP-11 and consistently hit MOA or better with that ammo. Stray very far from GP-11 and it's another matter. After that I'd rank the better Finnish Mosins and the Swede Mausers in terms of accuracy. Most of the rest are in the middle, because the arsenals didn't bother too much with accuracy. The standards were pretty lax. This includes US firearms. They *CAN* be made more accurate with certain steps, but as issued they weren't. Bottom of the heap accuracy-wise would be some of the Soviet wartime Mosins, the last-ditch Mausers and other weapons cranked out during dire emergencies.

There's a good reasons nations such as Finland and Switzerland set a higher bar for accuracy in service rifles. They had to! They had small militia-based military forces with minimal heavy weapons and had to anticipate relying on terrain and marksmanship to stop the superior forces around them. They couldn't afford to have second rate rifles in service. Our own forces did not need to rely on the Garands or Springfields half as much.
 
I remember some gun writer saying that the Germans built the best target rifle (98K), the British had the best battle rifle (No 4 Enfield) and the U.S. had the best hunting rifle (1903A3). Actually all 3 are pretty damn good. The Arisaka's supposedly had the one of the strongest actions ever made.
 
According to W. H. B. Smith, The Book of Rifles,
"China began the purchase of German Mauser rifles with the very first commercial design, the Mauser 1871 single shot. As Paul Mauser developed his new rifles, China purchased quantities of the constantly improving types. The tube loading Model 1871-84, and the offical German Commission Model 1888 in caliber 7.92 mm German service was ordered from Mauser's partner, Ludwig Lowe & Co. of Berlin.

Chinas has used a large number of different types of rifles within the past thirty years. Most are no longer used by either Chinese Nationalist or Chinese Communist regular forces but may still be found int he hands of Chinese Communist Militia. The Chinese manufactured copy of the German 7.92mm 88 at Hanyang Arsenal which they call Type 88 Hanyang. This rifle has the same .318 bore as the German Model 88 and cannot be used with 7.92mm .323 IS (JS) ammunition. The Chinese also had quantities of 7.92 mm Model 98 rifles, Kar 98 carbines, and Mauser "Standard" Model rifles, all of German manufacture. Copies of the "Standard" Model Mauser were made in China and were known as the "Chiang Kai Shek" Model. 7.92mm Belgian FN M1924 and 1930 rifles and Chinese-made copies thereof. The Chinese also used quantities of captured Japanese 6.5mm Type 38 and 7.7mm Type 99 rifles. When the Japanese armament plants in Manchuria were captured in 1945 the Chinese continued manufacture of the weapons they made, which included 7.7mm Type 99 rifles. They also made a large number of Type 99 rifles barreled for 7.92mm cartridges. A number of these rifles were used by Chinese Communist troops in Korea and as a result they may be found in American collections."
 
Having owned and shot all of them. I would argue that the m/96 and m/38 Swedish Mausers are just as accurate as the Swiss K-31s when good ammo is used.
Unlike the Swiss K-31s, the Swede rifles were used in combat by the Finns and by the Swede volunteer battalions who served in Finland During the Winter War and later during the Continuation War. (until late 1944).

While the 1903A3 Springfields have some stamped parts, the peep sight on the A3 version makes for a longer sight radius and better sight picture than any of the open sighted Mausers. I have fired some that are very accurate with the right ammo.

Just as some of the later variants of the Enfields could be accurate on a case by case basis. The fast action, bolt position relative to the trigger guard and the 10 round magazine all making up for some of the Enfields shortcommings in quality.
 
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I remember some gun writer saying that the Germans built the best target rifle (98K), the British had the best battle rifle (No 4 Enfield) and the U.S. had the best hunting rifle (1903A3). Actually all 3 are pretty damn good. The Arisaka's supposedly had the one of the strongest actions ever made.

I remember something similar but it was -
Best Target rifle the M1903
Best Hunting rifle, the Mauser
Best Battle rifle, the SMLE

Makes pretty good sense to me, everyone is familiar with how well M1903's did at Camp Perry, most modern hunting rifles are based on Mauser system actions, and it's hard to argue with the cock-on-closing bolt and (what Could have been) an easily replaced, detachable magazine with the SMLE
 
The Persian Mausers are pretty nice too, as are the Czech, which is what the Persian ones were made on too.

The P14/M1917 is a fine Mauser/Enfield crossover. Fantastically strong action, with advantages of both rifles.

The 1903 is accurate yes, if a little delicate for war, especially with the unprotected front sights and a fragile blade. The 1903a3 rear sight was however quite nice for accuracy on the target field. In battle it was probably a bit excessive since it unlikely you have time to mess with the clicking and what a quick easy to see change.

I wouldn't look down on the action of the Lee Enfield either. There a reason they became some of the slickest target rifles and were used in sniper action up until the 1990s. For what it is designed for as a battle rifle, it hard to beat with supreme durability, a design that virtually unbreakable even to soldiers, and good protected peep sights with the No4. I love mine.

As for the K31. Real men use the Swiss M1911 full length rifle, not some pansy carbine.
 
The Austrians used the Model 1895 Mannlicher straight pull bolt rifle. Turkey had various versions of the Mauser including the 1890 which was similar to the German Commission Model 1888 in 8mm Mauser. There was other Mauser based actions too including a 7.65 mm M1903 (which was based on the Mauser 98).
 
My 1903 is more accurate than all the rest of my milsurps. The K31 may be an exception but I don't know as I've yet to get mine to the range Arg!
 
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