standard velocity in ruger 22/45?

[340PD]

Ruger should wake up and smell the coffee like Savage did. For years people on these forums were asking about which varmint rifle they should get and the answer was always, "Get a Savage and spend the money you save on an aftermarket trigger."

Finally Savage realized if people were willing to pay more for a better trigger, it would make sense to put a good trigger on the rifle to begin with.

Ruger should do the same with the MKIII.

And while they're at it, make the gun easier to strip and clean.

Ruger did it with their Ruger American Rimfire rifle. Out of the box, one of the very best budget rimfire rifles you can buy.

They also now manufacture a drop in trigger for their 10/22's which reduces the trigger pull down to about 4# and is very crisp.

I don't think the stock MK III trigger is that bad, it is just it can be made so much better if one decides to do it.

Field stripping a MK III can be done in well under a minute BLINDFOLDED if you know the correct position to have the pistol in while you are doing it. See the videos that Ruger has on their website.

 

[susieqz]

thanks, colt. i'm gonna try it.
sun, if rugers are junk, what is a good 22 semi auto pistol?

 

[TimSr]

sun, if rugers are junk, what is a good 22 semi auto pistol?

Jennings!


I really like the Browning Buck Mark.

 

[susieqz]

i was gonna get the buckmark, but i got the ruger because you can replace the rear sight with a burris fast fire.
this is a huge advantage because it becomes part of the gun, instead of something on a rail.
gonna go look at jennings, thanks.

 

[danez71]

Susie, Jennings are generally cheap sub part guns. Tim St was joking.... or at least should be.

I prefer Buckmarks but the Ruger Mk are very good.

 

[susieqz]

i went n looked at jennings. i could never hit anything with those little pistols even if they were great.
i'll probably pick up a buckmark but i'm kinda hoping burris gets a mount to replace the back sight on the buckmark..
it's clear to me that if i wanna hit anything with iron sights on a pistol, i'll need a 12'' barrel.
with my new burris on my 22/45 i got a 1 1/8 group at 15 yards n a 3 1/8 group at 40 yards. this is the best shooting i ever did.
now, i just gotta learn how to do that freehand.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

As with any .22, you have to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo your pistol both shoots well and cycles the action. The cost of said ammo means nothing.
I personally think Ruger .22's are junk, low end, entry level, pistols. Triggers are crap due to frivolous law suits, sight are poor and they're a nightmare to work on. Had a Mk II briefly, long ago. Dumped it as fast as I could.
1024 x 581 is far too big of a picture.

For real? The 2245 is used by competition shooters everywhere. Its a bad ass gun. sure, you gotta spend 100 bucks on a trigger kit, and its better if you add an optic, but to say its trash, well... that just does not compute

 

[susieqz]

um, did i mention the groups i'm getting?
with the brand new ruger 22/45/burris ff combo, i got 1 1/8'' at 15 yards, 3 1/8 at 40 yards.
this is the best i've ever done.
any gun that lets me shoot better is gonna be a rifle.

 

[Bullseye57]

Look Suzie, all you really need to have a really nice trigger is the VQ sear and the VQ Target trigger. The VQ trigger upgrade kit has all of that plus a few other things that really don't matter for $100. The trigger and sear alone you can get for less than $40. Most factory hammers are fine with the VQ sear and the trigger pull is far lighter in the 2-2.5 lb range. The target trigger has two adjusments one for pretravel and the other for overtravel. You cannot completely eliminate the pretravel in a Ruger .22 Auto without causing some reset problems with the disconnector lever, but you can eliminate most of it. I can help with instructions on how to adjust it when you get your trigger. Over travel happens after the sear releases, and this is the movement of the trigger to the back of the triggerguard.

Hope this helps.

R,
Bullseye

(Yeah, the same one you already know from the other forum)

 

[susieqz]

thanks bullseye. i guess i have no choice. i was hoping to learn to live with this trigger, but my new red dot is a great teaching aid. shooting freehand, when i pull this heavy trigger i see the dot jumping all over the place
i don't think any technique will help. the trigger will for sure limit how good i can shoot with this gun.
i found the sear for $27 with freeshipping so i'll get it.
the trigger will have to wait a month. i found a good price for federal so i bot 2000 rounds n i'm broke.
i also bot that expensive rws ammo at 14 cents/round.
that was silly because with the dot, the federal bulk works fine.

 

[Bullseye57]

Sometimes you just have to experiment with a lot of various brands to find out what will work satisfactorily before settling down and making a large purchase. I'm not sure what kind of target shooting you're interested in but unless you were interested in conventional pistol, also known as bullseye shooting, that RWS ammo was way more than you needed. One reason why it is fairly expensive.

No big deal to wait. These upgrades can all be accomplished one at a time. Actually that is even better, that way you can fully evaluate their individual usefulness before making other changes to the pistol.

R,
Bullseye

 

[Saleen322]

Rugers are all very reliable and everyone I shot has been accurate. As far as ammo, standard velocity is more accurate than high velocity. If you shoot cheaper stuff like thunderbolts and mini-mags, they will do fine but put better stuff through them and the results are better groups. YMMV

 

[susieqz]

bullseye, my objective is to hit 4'' targets anywhere from 15 to 50 yards. myaverage shot at evil bunnies is from 15to 35 yards.
i can do that with a rifle but i can't keep my marlin with me while i do outside chores. that's when i often see them.
they cost me over $200 last year so i shoot on sight.

sal, that group is awesome. that's what i wanna do at 25 yards, offhand.
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[Bullseye57]

Within those target tolerances just about any HV, or SV ammo will serve you well through a Ruger .22 Auto. You can even consider bulk packed, like Federal or Winchester, but avoid Remington for the reasons you have already discovered. Bulk ammo will easily hold 1.5 - 2" groups in you model pistol, well within your desired target dimensions, and a little easier on your budget.

Concentrate on your trigger control first, this is the single most important part of the marksmanship process for success. No matter how rock steady your hold is, poor trigger management will destroy your ability to hit your intended target in a microsecond. Practice how much you can squeeze and hold the trigger without actually firing the pistol, then make final sight adjustments while slowly adding pressure to the trigger until the pistol fires. Let it go off, don't make it fire. It will surprise you a little bit but where ever that sight is pointed at the moment of the break will be the location of the bullet impact and a great shot. Keep practicing this technique until you can actually feel, or sense, the sear sliding on the hammer hook to the break point, and you will shrink your target impact groups significantly. After you get a firm feel for trigger management then start working on your physical stamina to steady your hold without any muscle trembling. The trick is to master wiggling your finger all while attempting to hold everything beyond your elbows completely still. It won't happen overnight, so keep practicing. Try using a bullseye target with scoring rings and then set goals to keep all of the hits within a designated scoring ring. Start wide and then work smaller. Keep a positive mental attitude and your progress toward your goal will happen sooner. Start getting frustrated and it will take much longer to attain your desired target dimensions.

Hope this helps.

R,
Bullseye

 

[susieqz]

thanks tons, bullseye. i'll start concentrating on those today.
i'll figure out some strength training too. after i shoot 20 rounds or so, i see the groups open, so i'm just not strong enow.
i prefer shooting one hand because it feels natural, but i see the dot jump lots more when i try that.

you make it sound like what i wanna do isn't that hard, if i can use bulk ammo. i thot it would take me years.
i'm lucky because i get to shoot every day, in my back yard.

i'd love to hear each n every tip you are willing to share. i am bound n determined to do this, no matter what the cost in time n money.
that's no sacrifice because it's fun.

 

[Saleen322]

I agree with a lot of comments and here is something you need to remember: error is additive. If you have a gun-ammo combo that can shoot 1.5" groups and the shooter is capable of 3" groups then, after enough rounds are fired to achieve the average, the overall group will be 4.5" with that combination. A good 22 target pistol will consistently shoot groups under 1" @ 50 yards. This is the type of equipment you want to train with. Because only then will you know that the results on the target is the shooter (not the gun-ammo) and give a truer reflection of how you are performing.

 

[susieqz]

sal , please define '' good .22 target pistol''.
the ruger shoots better than i do, but are you referring to other makes?
i actually thot my 22/45 was defective, but it turns out i just can't use a sight radius on a 5 1/2'' barrel. with the dot, i shoot better than even with a 8'' barrel tuned high standard.

 

[Bullseye57]

Hi Suzie,

You can do it, it is just that easy! I know what I am talking about, as I am a double Distinguished Marksman, that is for both Service Pistol and Service Rifle competition. I shot on the military big teams both Nationally and Internationally. I have taught hundreds of young marksman and Military Police the fundamentals of Marksmanship and many of those went Distinguished in their own rights later on in their military careers. You keep a positive mental attitude and you too can be very highly successful in your future shooting career.

R,
Bullseye

 

[susieqz]

thanks bullseye. i believe with your help i can do it.
by the way, on the right side of my bolt all the buling is gone, so it's rubbing. it works fine but i wonder if i should sand it, or if it will eventually lose enow metal by rubbing, all by itself?
oiling does no good. this bolt hates oil.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Blue wearing off is normal. Don't sand anything. I don't use oil on my MK bolts. I use Hornady One Shot case lube. It goes on wet and dries. I can shoot 3k or so rounds without cleaning. Between cleanings, I may use a plastic pick to scrape a little carbon from the chamber.

 

[Saleen322]

The Ruger gives you a lot of gun for the money. You have to pay a lot more to get a small improvement and they are still being made. Browning used to make a good pistol called a medalist. Problem with them is collectors have driven the price way up. I am always buying target 22s as some in the picture show. You need to test to find out which ammo will group the best from your gun. I now shoot more SK Std Plus/Wolf Match-Target (same stuff all made by Lapua) than anything else. Like the Rugers, you have to spend a lot more to get consistently better ammo. I bought a case delivered to the house for $520 which would be $52 per brick. That Ruger should get you easily under 1" groups at 25 yards with good ammo. You mentioned High Standards, the bottom groups were @ 50 yards with new High Standards made in TX. Good luck to you.

 

[Bullseye57]

No need to polish or sand anything, just shoot it and let the pistol break-in itself through normal wear. What you are seeing coming off is a chemical etching material used to darken the shiny silver bolt to a dulled blued finish color, it isn't harming anything and is fairly typical of the model.

I don't directly apply lubricants to rimfire firearms. The high residue found in the blowback action of rimfires tend to gum up in the oily lube and shorten the time necessary between cleanings for smooth operation. What I do is take a few drops of light weapons oil, or CLP and apply it to a clean cotton cloth, then wipe the surfaces with the lubricated cloth material to deposit a very fine coat of lube. This process greatly reduces the build up of powder residue typical of rimfire .22 ammunition and keeps the firearm functioning normally longer between deep cleanings.

Hope this helps.

R,
Bullseye

 

[susieqz]

thanks colt. i thot it meant something because it's only on one side.
impressive guns, sal.
high standard are being made now?
i haven't seen them online but i think i want one.
the first pistol i shot was a high standard n i could hit a target without a dot.
gonna see if i can find them.

 

[Red Cent]

The Ruger semi-auto handgun is a PITA to tear down AND re-assemble. Removing the mag disconnect greatly improves the trigger. After simple polishing of the contact parts, a nice trigger will appear. My 5" Target model is around 3#s.

Original subject.
The Stinger is the original HV 22lr round and had a longer case than standard velocity 22lr. They advised against there use in some firearms. The chambering of these rounds caused some extraction problems. I have never heard of a blowup.
I believe the Stinger and other HV rounds have conformed to the 22lr standard size case. There used to be some companies offering to re-chamber your firearm to chamber the HV rounds.
Starting a round supersonic and having it go sub sonic before hitting the target will impair accuracy. 1000 yard shooters keep their round supersonic all the way to the target. Or, at least, the most accurate shooters do.

 

[susieqz]

removing the mag disconnect sure didn't improve MY trigger.