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Star BM and ARX ammunition

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Snowdog, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. Snowdog

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    I just ordered a Star BM and from the threads I've read, this pistol doesn't much care for JHPs.

    Does anyone know if these pistols function with the later generations of fluted copper matrix projectiles such as the ARX?
    I understand these projectiles are rounded in profile unlike a traditional JHP's meplat and may not hang up on the feed ramp.

    I don't plan on using this pistol for daily carry as I have more appropriate candidates for that role. It will probably just be carried during work around the yard (stray dogs come around on occasion, some less-than-friendly).
     
  2. JWF III

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    I had started a thread about problems feeding a BM hollow points. After trying several different kinds (XTPs, Critical Duty’s, Sig V-Crowns, + a few more), I finally found the Remington HTPs. They function fine in mine. They are rounded, more like a FMJ, but with a hollow point.

    Wyman
     
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    Excellent, that's great to know. If I find I can't stomach the price of these copper matrix uber rounds (or the consensus points to a no-go for the BM), I just might go that route. Thank you!

    Currently, I'm looking at the 125 round package (Inceptor 9RNPARX Sport & Carry) for $40 or so.
     
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    Why do you "need" outrageously expensive specialty ammo for maybe having to shoot an aggressive stray dog with your used $200 Spanish pistol? Just get some of the vouched-for Remington HTPs. JMO. :)

    I have four of the BMs but I have never run anything but FMJ thru them, so no help there ... sorry! ;)
     
  5. shoobe01

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    Where have you seen they don't feed normal old hollow points? Never heard that from any of my readers. Very reliable guns with a broad range of stuff.

    No idea on the new weird rounds but the classic series feed very straight in, so as long as the mags are good, and you aren't dealing with a chewed up aluminum frame, I'd expect them to work fine.

    Also, the new tricky ammo is unproven, and for various reasons untrustworthy to me. Get some 124 Gold Dots or anything else that is a good performer, and replace the primary springs, and it'll be fine.
     
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  6. Snowdog

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    I wouldn't say I "need" ARX ammo but I do like unusual things to test and try out. As for the price, I wouldn't say it's inexpensive and it certainly cost more than FMJ. However, $42 or so for a 125 round bundle (100 non-fluted ballistic equivalent practice rounds and 25 fluted defensive rounds) is still cheaper than 125 rounds of HTP from the same vendor (around $58 for a 25rnd box plus 50/rnd boxes x2). That said, if the BM I receive feeds my preferred JHPs (124gr HST & 124gr Golden Saber bonded), I'll use those as I have plenty of both. I don't really have a problem using fmj for this particular role either but I do like new neat fun stuff if I can find a reason to buy it. This BM may be a reason to purchase a case of HTP, who knows.
    I can never too much ammunition.

    A Google query using the words Star BM JHP or Hollow Points will bring up plenty of folks mentioning they are experiencing issues with JHPs (the thread JWF III mentioned above, for example). I research all new acquisitions thoroughly to learn of all the interesting quarks or issues I may encounter to mitigate any surprises/disappointments. So far, I understand that most BMs being sold now are in "good" conditions with some of those described as "very good" not meeting most folks definition of "very good" (I'm sure some here know the distributor I'm alluding to). Besides reading the issues some have with JHPs, I also gleaned that dry-firing is best done with snap caps as there are reports of broken firing pins due to this practice.

    I do plan on receiving my BM first before concluding my specimen is among those that dislike JHPs. I would like to know what others are using if they indeed do also have a JHP-finicky BM. So far, ARX and HTPs have been included as options. FMJ only is also a solid option albeit a boring one (I like shiny things).

    I have about a dozen other 9mm handguns and many would be, in all honesty, "better" options for the yard-work carry role as they are higher capacity, lighter and function with any JHP. However, if I subscribe to the philosophy that a redundant purchase is a waste of money, my collection would not grow and I would, inevitably, become sad. My past purchases for the "yard work" role include a Cz-52, SP101 .357, a couple Yugo M59s, a RIA 10mm and XDm 5.25 converted to .460 Roland (bears and boars, you know?) as well as several other C&R eligible handguns. This BM would replace the current on-the-mower handgun, a stainless slide white/cyan frame Spectrum that my wife decided not to like.

    Again, carrying this pistol while on my mower to defend against an aggressive dog or two is only for the warm and fuzzies. When it comes to carrying concealed in public, especially with family in tow, I take my options far more seriously. That's a Sig P365/124gr HST +p and will be for some time. No rotation here.
     
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    Hahaha! I can certainly understand that train of thought. :D

    I think that you will enjoy this pistol. I have found mine to be handy, accurate and reliable, if a bit heavy (all steel, dontchaknow ;)).
     
  8. shoobe01

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    Yeah... everything will feed badly if in bad shape. I very rarely get feeding complaints and when I do it's what it always is for every gun: magazines. Sometimes springs, extractors, etc. but usually magazines. I'd be 100% confident that it'll feed at least normal hollowpoints if everything normal is addressed.

    Remember: the original P08 Parabellum cartridge was a 124grain truncated cone. Especially in europe for makers around since the dawn of that cartridge, that's the model, not some round nose. So we're well on the way to feeding flat nosed hollowpoints by design. The B is also a re-calibering of the Largo design, so has more slide travel, so more momentum than a dedicated 9mm design, and I feel this helps it be annoyingly reliable.

    A lot of the Star pistols being surplussed these days are from third world armies that spent a lot more time carrying than shooting. Many poor condition guns are just from carry or storage wear and are very, very good condition mechanically. Still: replace the springs! May be used up, and we have better spring tech than in the 50s.

    While old school, try telling some 1911 gunner he's hopelessly out of date :) If you don't need a light or red dot or more capacity, the old single stack Stars are perfectly serviceable guns, and pretty flat and easy to carry so, you may find you enjoy it. Really good holsters are the issue anymore, but if serious find a local kydex maker to custom fit one instead of just muddling through with a semi-generic 1911ish thing.
     
  9. TRX

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    The Star was designed to shoot 9mm NATO FMJ.

    If it won't shoot Spinning Blade Ninja Death Blaster hollowpoints, the problem isn't with the gun.
     
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