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If he can't stand to get it Dinged then he shouldn't be shooting it at the range. If I were him I'd be more worried about it getting dinged in the rack when another shooter puts his kreighoff next to it.
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If he can't stand to get it Dinged then he shouldn't be shooting it at the range. If I were him I'd be more worried about it getting dinged in the rack when another shooter puts his kreighoff next to it.
quote: "If he can't stand to get it Dinged then he shouldn't be shooting it at the range. If I were him I'd be more worried about it getting dinged in the rack when another shooter puts his kreighoff next to it."
You are responsible for what you do on a gun range - if you whack someones gun its up to you to take care of it.
if you really want to know how trapshooters feel about autoloaders on the doubles game - go over to www.trapshooters.com and post that you bought a new 1100 trap and want to learn how to shoot doubles and see what transpires. I'm not trying to argumentative or anything - and I don't shoot competition trap (I shoot skeet) but I volunteer/work ATA trap shoots for the club and pay attention to these kinds of things. There are a lot of trapshooters that will not squad with someone shooting an autoloader on doubles. Both out of concern for damage - which seems very unlikely - but also for the distraction problem. ATA Trap is a game that requires serious concentration. These guys are competing for money, sometimes big money - and they don't like their neighbor throwing hulls at them. Shoot management will get an earfull if someone is out there slinging hulls at their feet.
Trap singles with an autoloader is fine - you can, and should, use a shell catcher. Some guys have a gunsmith put a small bead of weld on the receiver's ejection port that deflects shells downward. There seems to be some acceptance of this - I'd guess there would be a confab at the scorers chair when you show up on the line with your autoloader though.
It's a courtesy / etiquette thing as much as anything - You owe it to your squad not to be disruptive or distractive. Trap spawned the term 'grumpy old men'
You are responsible for what you do on a gun range - if you whack someones gun its up to you to take care of it.
if you really want to know how trapshooters feel about autoloaders on the doubles game - go over to www.trapshooters.com and post that you bought a new 1100 trap and want to learn how to shoot doubles and see what transpires. I'm not trying to argumentative or anything - and I don't shoot competition trap (I shoot skeet) but I volunteer/work ATA trap shoots for the club and pay attention to these kinds of things. There are a lot of trapshooters that will not squad with someone shooting an autoloader on doubles. Both out of concern for damage - which seems very unlikely - but also for the distraction problem. ATA Trap is a game that requires serious concentration. These guys are competing for money, sometimes big money - and they don't like their neighbor throwing hulls at them. Shoot management will get an earfull if someone is out there slinging hulls at their feet.
Trap singles with an autoloader is fine - you can, and should, use a shell catcher. Some guys have a gunsmith put a small bead of weld on the receiver's ejection port that deflects shells downward. There seems to be some acceptance of this - I'd guess there would be a confab at the scorers chair when you show up on the line with your autoloader though.
It's a courtesy / etiquette thing as much as anything - You owe it to your squad not to be disruptive or distractive. Trap spawned the term 'grumpy old men'
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DAP90
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I keep reading about all these super uptight trap shooters, but after 5+ years of shooting trap I’ve yet to meet one.
I must be hanging out with the right crowd.
I must be hanging out with the right crowd.
DAP90
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I suppose I should answer the OP too.
I use field shotguns, partly because I’m practicing for hunting and partly because I can’t justify an expensive dedicated trap gun right now. I don’t feel limited by what I have and I do ok; 23-24 with the occasional 25.
I switch between a pump and a semi. I’ve never been grumbled at and I see plenty of others using pumps and semi-autos too.
You did ok with your Mossberg but if it’s beating up your cheek it might not be a great fit for you; although that might be technique related.
I’d stick with what you have and maybe consider getting another barrel with the option of screw in chokes.
By the time that shotgun becomes the limiting factor, not counting doubles, you’ll probably have more of an idea of what you might want.
I use field shotguns, partly because I’m practicing for hunting and partly because I can’t justify an expensive dedicated trap gun right now. I don’t feel limited by what I have and I do ok; 23-24 with the occasional 25.
I switch between a pump and a semi. I’ve never been grumbled at and I see plenty of others using pumps and semi-autos too.
You did ok with your Mossberg but if it’s beating up your cheek it might not be a great fit for you; although that might be technique related.
I’d stick with what you have and maybe consider getting another barrel with the option of screw in chokes.
By the time that shotgun becomes the limiting factor, not counting doubles, you’ll probably have more of an idea of what you might want.
Exactly. Whether you bumped into in the rack or hit it with an errant, uncontrolled hull, or any other damage you caused... if you did it, it's your OBLIGATION to fix it.
Most trapshooters I know won't even shoot singles with people shooting autoloaders. Pump guns are fine... but break action guns are far and away preferred.
DAP90
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I can’t think of any realistic circumstances in which I would pay to “fix” a stock hit by an ejected hull.
DAP90
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True enough – but truthfully, this potential for damage sounds more like exclusionary nonsense than anything else.
I've never seen it occur but even talking about it gives a bad impression of trap shooters.
oneounceload
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Not really, a fast-flung hull hitting a wood stock brass (or steel) end first can put a decent ding in a flawlessly finished piece of high grade wood; the same for putting/retrieving guns from a rack.
I put all my long guns in those silicone socks when they go in the safe so I do not accidentally ding one with another
I put all my long guns in those silicone socks when they go in the safe so I do not accidentally ding one with another
I think this is just something the OP should be aware of. When he initiated the post he was talking about getting into trap in a big way. There was advice that he get an 1100. If he chooses to do so, he should be aware of the potential for issues. My discussion is really somewhat more aimed at tournament shoots - When the OP said Trap in a big way it would seem that joining the ATA and shooting ATA events would be in the cards.
Serious trap shooters are great folks and I do not mean to imply anything else. But when they are in a tournament and on the line - they, as a group, want things right. The want scorers that know the rules, they want targets adjusted correctly, they want machines that throw good targets, and they want a squad that is just as serious as they are, and they don't want distractions. Some of them have a lot of money tied up in the game and take it very seriously. Again, this is tournament trap - not sunday afternoon at the range with a couple friends.
I do agree with DRSFMD that you need to be accountable for what you do at the range though. If you door someones Lexus at the hardware store - do you leave a note? - or just leave? Same thing with a gun rack at the club, or on the line with SA that throws shells. Damage is likely rare - but it is possible. Distracting the squad is another issue - Sunday afternoon at the range with friends - whatever. At an ATA shoot squadded with folks you may not know - it's poor etiquette at best.
Serious trap shooters are great folks and I do not mean to imply anything else. But when they are in a tournament and on the line - they, as a group, want things right. The want scorers that know the rules, they want targets adjusted correctly, they want machines that throw good targets, and they want a squad that is just as serious as they are, and they don't want distractions. Some of them have a lot of money tied up in the game and take it very seriously. Again, this is tournament trap - not sunday afternoon at the range with a couple friends.
I do agree with DRSFMD that you need to be accountable for what you do at the range though. If you door someones Lexus at the hardware store - do you leave a note? - or just leave? Same thing with a gun rack at the club, or on the line with SA that throws shells. Damage is likely rare - but it is possible. Distracting the squad is another issue - Sunday afternoon at the range with friends - whatever. At an ATA shoot squadded with folks you may not know - it's poor etiquette at best.
kd7nqb
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I only shoot trap and sporting clays and do so in a very casual way. But a pump gun with removable chokes is all I would want for now. Eventually an 1100 or other semi auto might be in order. I don't see any use to ever by an over under but thats me.
Getting a shell catcher might be a good idea for a number of reasons but I can assure you one of them is that many trap clubs are full of Fudd's and frankly the only time I have ever been looked down upon at a gun club was on the trap range. This is one of the reasons I like my pump its simple it works and its not elitist.
Getting a shell catcher might be a good idea for a number of reasons but I can assure you one of them is that many trap clubs are full of Fudd's and frankly the only time I have ever been looked down upon at a gun club was on the trap range. This is one of the reasons I like my pump its simple it works and its not elitist.
Beagle-zebub
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Gmack, have you tried skeet? Trap is fun and all, but skeet is where it's at, IMHO.
If by that you mean that they expect you to follow the rules of the game, not do unsafe things, and respect other people's property, YOU'RE RIGHT!
Armored farmer
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I'm an ATA lifer; ITA lifer, been shooting trap in a "big way" for 30+ yrs at big shoots including the champion of champions at the Grand back in '82. Broke a pair of 99's last summer and was in the AA shootoff at the ILL State ATA shoot (with an 870)......I say 1100 are welcome, and I recommend them (again). FWIW
Yes, some of take our shooting seriously....that doesnt mean all trapshooters are gun snobs.
Yes, some of take our shooting seriously....that doesnt mean all trapshooters are gun snobs.
Dave McCracken
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First, some of us here regard the term "Fudd" as an insult equal to the N word or "Jewboy".
Let's not see it here again.
The enemy is not some old guys with Ljutics,Sietzs and Alfermanns. It's Sarah Brady, Eric Holder, Diane Feinstein,etc.
When I started shooting trap seriously about 12 years past, I used an 870 and showed up in redneck toggery. A bunch of those old guys took me in like a long lost brother and showed me the ropes.
That included not bouncing hulls off a 12 gauge work of art. Or playing the fool while holding a firearm.I also was privileged to borrow a number of fine shotguns, some running into five figures, because these kids shared their toys.
I do see some folks sticking to their own circles and not welcoming new shooters. I also see others go the extra mile so that new shooters, especially kids and females, have an enjoyable and productive experience.
And it's not hard to rig a rubber band around an 1100 receiver to trap an empty when shooting singles and handicap. The one around a bunch of broccoli at the market is perfect.
Let's not see it here again.
The enemy is not some old guys with Ljutics,Sietzs and Alfermanns. It's Sarah Brady, Eric Holder, Diane Feinstein,etc.
When I started shooting trap seriously about 12 years past, I used an 870 and showed up in redneck toggery. A bunch of those old guys took me in like a long lost brother and showed me the ropes.
That included not bouncing hulls off a 12 gauge work of art. Or playing the fool while holding a firearm.I also was privileged to borrow a number of fine shotguns, some running into five figures, because these kids shared their toys.
I do see some folks sticking to their own circles and not welcoming new shooters. I also see others go the extra mile so that new shooters, especially kids and females, have an enjoyable and productive experience.
And it's not hard to rig a rubber band around an 1100 receiver to trap an empty when shooting singles and handicap. The one around a bunch of broccoli at the market is perfect.
And it's not hard to rig a rubber band around an 1100 receiver to trap an empty when shooting singles and handicap. The one around a bunch of broccoli at the market is perfect.
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Or just get one of those snap-on shell catchers that cost about 15 bucks. As I recall, 1100 trap guns have a deflector that throws the empties forward when shooting doubles.
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Or just get one of those snap-on shell catchers that cost about 15 bucks. As I recall, 1100 trap guns have a deflector that throws the empties forward when shooting doubles.
kd7nqb
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Out of respect for the "new management" at THR I will refrain of sharing my experience at multiple shotgun clubs but when I shoot sporting clays and get told that they really need to make a rule not allowing guns with synthetic stocks then I don't have a better word.
None of the complaints were about safety or gun handling they were about equipment.
I'm old enough to remember when the majority of the guns you saw at a trapshoot were Model 12s, which are pump guns. Leo Harrison made All American with an 1100 and probably would still be shooting it if someone hadn't stole it. It ain't the arrow, it's the Injun. I'm no All American but I remember winning a B Class trophy in singles at the Illinois State Shoot a few years ago with an unaltered Beretta 391 parallel target I paid $600 for new. I did put a cheap shell catcher on it out of common courtesy and a desire to save my empties.
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kd7nqb
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For the record I think shell catchers are always a good idea
Dave McCracken
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New management? We've been here since Day One. And you think that because someone disagrees about proper equipment, namecalling is in order?
BTW, I shot a couple hundred sporting targets recently with this Beretta Xtreme with all the plastic and no one uttered any discouraging word.
Woodyard, do you hear an echo?
BTW, I shot a couple hundred sporting targets recently with this Beretta Xtreme with all the plastic and no one uttered any discouraging word.
Woodyard, do you hear an echo?
Hey Gang,
Big 5 had a special on a Mossberg 'Maverick' break action over/under a week or so ago. It came with 2 choke tubes, IC and M. They were selling for $320. I was just wondering if any of you guys had one of those? Anybody have any experience with them? They look fairly attractive for the price. I've had nothing but good experiences and good things to say about every Mossberg I've ever owned.
I'm not in any hurry to run out and buy one, just curious for any input.
I also found a Browning Citori xt in a pawnshop for $1700 the other day. That's definitely the 'frontrunner' for what I'm looking for. Another pawnshop had an older Browning o/u model with no choke tubes for $1k, it was in fairly good shape, but I'm not thrilled with a fixed cylinder bore, guess I could order another barrel.
Big 5 had a special on a Mossberg 'Maverick' break action over/under a week or so ago. It came with 2 choke tubes, IC and M. They were selling for $320. I was just wondering if any of you guys had one of those? Anybody have any experience with them? They look fairly attractive for the price. I've had nothing but good experiences and good things to say about every Mossberg I've ever owned.
I'm not in any hurry to run out and buy one, just curious for any input.
I also found a Browning Citori xt in a pawnshop for $1700 the other day. That's definitely the 'frontrunner' for what I'm looking for. Another pawnshop had an older Browning o/u model with no choke tubes for $1k, it was in fairly good shape, but I'm not thrilled with a fixed cylinder bore, guess I could order another barrel.
"Another pawnshop had an older Browning o/u model with no choke tubes for $1k, it was in fairly good shape, but I'm not thrilled with a fixed cylinder bore, guess I could order another barrel."
You need to check how it's choked. I seriously doubt if it's cylinder/cylinder. Probably mod/full or IC/mod. Nothing wrong with fixed cokes if they are what you want.
You need to check how it's choked. I seriously doubt if it's cylinder/cylinder. Probably mod/full or IC/mod. Nothing wrong with fixed cokes if they are what you want.
Yep, you're absolutely right, Woodyard! Its not cylinder bore/cylinder bore, I didn't work that accurately, at all. Whoops! Thanks for catching that. =) I should have said that I'm not crazy about having a fixed choke on both barrels. I looked at the barrels fairly closely and didn't see the choke sizes printed anywhere. I asked the guy working there if he knew, he took a look and didn't see the sizes stamped on the barrels either. I'm sure it's probably on there somewhere and I'm most likely looking in the wrong spot(s).
oneounceload
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Browning uses markings on the side of the barrel where the ejectors are *s in various combinations on the older guns
Older guns can typically have choke tubes installed by Briley or similar folks. That's a lot cheaper than trying to get another barrel and have it fitted
Older guns can typically have choke tubes installed by Briley or similar folks. That's a lot cheaper than trying to get another barrel and have it fitted
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