State of New Orleans now ..

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http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/6839637.html

What this online article doesn't say, that local news and the printed version says under the caption is this: since mid-Monday night N.O, has had 4 murders, totaling 8 since Friday night. It's horrendous down there. Also, I think more than the 2 reported conventions have backed out of going this year.



New Orleans area’s problems with crime outlined

By JOE GYAN JR.
Advocate New Orleans bureau
Published: Apr 3, 2007

Plaquemines Parish has no jail. Neighboring St. Bernard lacks a juvenile detention center. Jefferson needs courtroom interpreters because the parish’s Hispanic base has exploded. Domestic violence and drug arrests are up in St. James and traffic violations have jumped 60 percent in St. Tammany as both parish’s populations have increased.

And gun sales have skyrocketed across the metropolitan area.

Those are just some of the challenges that the New Orleans area’s criminal justice system continues to wrestle with 19 months after Hurricane Katrina, the state House Judiciary Committee was told Monday.

“We still have an awful lot left to do before we’re back to where we were before the storms,’’ Louisiana Supreme Court Associate Justice Catherine “Kitty” Kimball of New Roads told the committee during a hearing at the State Capitol on the state of the judiciary and criminal justice system in New Orleans since Katrina.

On top of the aforementioned challenges, Orleans Parish Juvenile Court is “mightily struggling,’’ Kimball said.

“There are no beds available at this time for female juveniles,’’ she said, noting that the city is praying for the arrival of FEMA modular units before summer, when juvenile crime typically rises.

Orleans also is plagued by a financially ailing indigent defender office. A judge last week ordered the release of up to 42 criminal defendants, saying they are not being adequately represented by the office. He immediately delayed his order until April 18 so he could get more information from the District Attorney’s Office, the state bar association and the indigent defenders.

“We’ve got a very acute problem down in New Orleans,’’ Rep. Robert “Robby’’ Carter, D-Independence, said during Monday’s hearing. “Some of these hardened criminals who are being let out may come do their crimes in our neck of the woods.’’

Kimball said indigent defense funding falls to the Legislature, not the courts.

“We don’t have authority over the indigent defender boards,’’ she said, adding that money is not the sole answer. “It’s an extremely complicated problem.’’

So is solving the post-Katrina violent crime problem in New Orleans. Rep. Joseph “Joe’’ Toomy, R-Gretna, who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said New Orleans’ crime problems — including the financial costs that follow them — have “obviously spilled over’’ into surrounding parishes.

The state is spending $30 million on state troopers and National Guard troops in the city, he reminded.

Toomy said crime is “horrendous’’ for residents and visitors alike, noting that at least one trade group recently cited concerns over crime and the city’s recovery in canceling plans to hold a convention in New Orleans while a second group is reportedly considering plans to scrub its New Orleans convention in two years.

Former state Attorney General Richard Ieyoub, who is working with Mayor Ray Nagin to improve the city’s criminal justice system, said the New Orleans Police Department’s pre-Katrina force of 1,700 officers is down to 1,300 today.

Rep. M.J. “Mert’’ Smiley Jr., R-Port Vincent, pointed out that the city’s post-storm population also is down substantially, and that 60 state troopers and 300 guardsmen continue to patrol the city, yet violent crime goes on unabated. He said the city has more law enforcement personnel per capita now than it did before the storm.

“You wonder what these people are actually doing,’’ Smiley said. “I’m just wondering why you need so many people to do the job that was being done before.’’

Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office Chief Deputy Newell Normand said the opposite is true in Jefferson, where the sheriff’s office is “policing a larger population today’’ with a smaller force of 1,350. That force was 1,650 pre-Katrina.

Normand said the parish’s prison still is not back to its pre-storm staff, which results in jail overcrowding releases — which in turn leads to drug offenders being arrested “over and over and over’’ and also contributes to officers leaving the force. He said the sheriff’s office’s attrition rate is “abysmal.’’

“We’re bailing (water from the boat that is taking on water) as fast as we can. We’re not catching up,’’ he said.

As for New Orleans, Ieyoub said Orleans Parish Criminal Court and Orleans Parish Prison are fully operational and there is a renewed spirit of cooperation between District Attorney Eddie Jordan and Police Superintendent Warren Riley.

“All in all, the criminal justice system in Orleans is better than it was pre-Katrina,’’ he said.
 
Where did it all go wrong? They were a step a way from utopia.

And gun sales have skyrocketed across the metropolitan area.

Now that was self inflicted. If the police hadn't gone around stealing every gun in sight there wouldn't be so many people needing to buy new ones.
 
Yeah, I saw some 'coverage' on Fox snooze this PM. Seems like no one will talk to the cops - wonder why?

Maybe you reap what you sow, eh?

Then again, they re-elected Ray Nagin, so I guess they got the 'leadership' they deserve -:barf:
 
Just like any other corrupt, liberal dominated "big city" in the world.

Too many people, too many bleedinng hearts, not enough space. People get on one another's nerves when they're jam-packed in too close together.
 
Wayne LaPierre was right, New Orleans has done the impossible; they've made Washington D.C. look like ****ing Mayberry!
 
New Orleans is a city with little-to-no morality, built on prostitution, gambling, drugs, and public corruption. Throughout history cities like this have destroyed themselves....why should we be surprised?
 
New Orleans is a city with little-to-no morality, built on prostitution, gambling, drugs, and public corruption. Throughout history cities like this have destroyed themselves....why should we be surprised?

You mean like Baltimore, Boston, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles, Los Vegas, San Francisco, Kansa City, Seattle etc.????:evil:
 
You mean like Baltimore, Boston, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles, Los Vegas, San Francisco, Kansa City, Seattle etc.????

I take exception to that. Boston, New York, Chicago, and Kansas City were built on organized crime. *Organized*, not the chaos in NOLA. I concur with the other poster's comment about it being a Third World Country. And it will get worse before it gets better. NOLA may be the next Newark, Camden (NJ), or Detroit.

When do you think riots will become weekly occurrences?
 
I'm not sure why I feel obliged to offer the other side of the story for New Orleans as presented in the MSM or so happily parroted on this board. I left the city over 25 years ago. I do find it curious that the same media so widely criticized here for gun related issues is taken as the absolute and complete truth when it come to NOLA.

Regarding crime. The overwhelming number of murders are related to the drug trade. Are drug dealers in the rest of the country a gentler, kinder variety? Many others fall under domestic violence. Stress levels for most people in this area remain high. Hint: It was ground zero for the worst natural disaster to hit America and was made infinitely worse by the manmade failure of the US Army Corps of Engineers to have a working levee system. The same group responsible for about 200 other levee systems across the country. Feel safe out there?

Overcrowded? The population is half what it was prestorm in the city and about 80% in the greater metropolitan area. The labor shortage is reflected in every area of commerce and government including the criminal justice system which cannot get enough actors at every level from street cop to indigent defender to crime lab techs, etc to perform effectively. There is a similar crisis in health care, education, and most service related businesses. Why? The city lost 80% of its housing stock and rents are off the chart. For what it's worth, it was my privelege to serve on a federal grand jury after the storm even though it meant a once a week four hour round trip commute to do so because so few people were in the city for months after the storm.

Some of you might want to brush up American history when speaking of what the area was founded on. The port of New Orleans, transportation, trade, the oil and gas industry, the chemical and petrochemical industry, and culture all had more to do with the city's role in America development than prostitutes and gambling. Ask the grain and cotton farmers who could not barge the 2005 harvest down the Mississippi after Katrina if NOLA is needed. Ask the people in the northeast paying through the nose for gas within days of the storm due to damage to the pipelines and refineries here if New Orleans should just be written off.

Regarding politics. Conservatives are never corrupt? Nagin at times is his own worst enemy but he was touted as an outsider from the business community (Cox Communications) who could put a businessman's touch to the city's problems. Now he's just another liberal. His widely repeated vulgarity laden tirade on day three or so after the storm regarding the state and federal response spoke for many who actually experienced the storm. When I heard it live over the battery operated AM radio still in shock from the power of the storm in my area I thought it was perfect for the situation.

I found this site during my search to become better prepared if/when something like that ever happens again. THR has allowed me to make better informed gun purchases and more knowledgeable about the responsibilities that come with gun ownership. But the kneejerk trashing of a historically significant and critically important part of out nations infrastructure seems out of character on this board. The comments from people who supposedly call Texas home are not so surprising. One of the most popular bumper stickers around here simply states, "Thanks, Texas." We really mean it. And the recent practice of girls gone wild behavior in the French Quarter at Mardi Gras is nearly universally out of towners, a few, I suppose, from your hometown, wherever that may be.

Who knows what will happen? The recovery will be harder and take longer than predicted. The new hurricane forecast is for an above average season. I am involved in staffing general population shelters as part of my regular job. Wish me luck. Hey, Texas. If another one hits here with more mass evacuations, look out, here they come. Again.
 
I'll have to argue with NOLA/Katrina being the worst natural disaster in US history, and put in a vote in favor of the 1906 SF Quake. 100 years later and they still don't have a good estimate at how many people died.

The aftermaths were totally different though. In 1906, there was no FEMA to screw things up. Almost no federal involvement at all (though the Army dynamiting buildings trying to make firebreaks actually made things worse). And precious little government involvement from Sacramento, either. Two years on, and SF was almost totally rebuilt.

One of my (late) great-aunts spent a week living in a tent in a park after the 1906 Quake, although she was about one at the time and thus couldn't tell us anything.
 
I think it is NOLA's total reliance on federal (rest of US) aid to magically rescue it that so irks the rest of the country, at least conservatives.

Was it the US Army Corps of Engineers fault for the failed levees? Or was it NOLA politicians redirecting federal grants for levee building to their own pet projects? Or is it just economical impractical to build levees tall and strong enough on the marshland ground to protect against a category 4 hurricane?

Look at practically every other surrounding area hit by Katrina or Rita (is that the one right after Katrina). Everyone else seemed to be able to do something to help themselves clean up the debris at least.NOLA sits there pathetically disarming its law abiding citizens, re-electing its mayor who was the first one out of the city and into Texas (must be a nice place if Ray bugged out there), and still sitting around waiting for FEMA trailers!

Instead of thinking this might be a good time to clean itself up and try to rebuild with self respect, hard work and good will; good ole Ray refuses to accept any blame, curses the very feds he wants help from, goes back to advertising itself as a center of decadence for Mardi Gras (come spend your money), and then promises NOLA will always be a chocolate city. At what point am I, a resident in another state, suppose to feel sympathy for NOLA?

What has NOLA ever done to earn respect from anyone else? The mayor? The people who re-elected that incompetent racist? The police who either ran away or stole guns with brute force from the few good citizens there? I think the policticians and residents of NOLA have made it pretty clear than none of THEIR citizens are going to pay harshly for any crime they commit, but they may if they are law abiding and trying to protect themselves.

Remind me again why any of us outside NOLA should give a rip that a city 12-20 ft below the waterline, and which does nothing in its own best interest for survival, should be rebuilt AS IT WAS? What exactly did NOLA and LA government do to prepare for a disaster that was inevitable?

If a person is unwilling to invest in their own survival, or even diverts funds for said purpose to frivolities, then why should anyone else feel obligated to do so for them?

I had a niece and her kids who lived in NOLA. She bugged out to other family in TN and have not looked back. There is nothing that could get her to move back to NOLA. I call that common sense.
 
IfYouOnlyKnew, I feel for ya buddy. It must be sad to see your
home town trashed. However, the facts are fairly clear to anyone
that has ever visited NO and LA in general.

I grew up in Texas and spent much time traveling to NO and the facts
are clear to me - with decades of oberservation - NO and LA
do deserve much of the critisisim that is thrown their way.

Sorry, but it is only fair to let the chips fall where they may. Sure,
other cities and state have problems as well, but NO and LA
still are screwed up.
 
Nod

All I can say is I'm glad much of the crime element has gone back to NO from Houston/Galveston area. Our murder rate has dropped proportionately. The first Thanksgiving weekend after Katrina, we had 26 murders in Houston! 3-4 times what we have in recent past.

It just kept going on....and on. Finally started to tail off last fall. So, if anyone from SE Texas may have sounded harsh in their criticism of NO with absolute contempt for both the people and institutions there, there's a valid reason for it.

Funny how none of the bleeding heart liberal apologists for that city ever volunteered to come down to SE Houston and take a bullet.
 
For me, it is an unforgivable sin to burst into tears in any sort of communication when you are above me in my nominal chain of command. We were busting our asses 14-18 hours every day to keep the field kitchens supplied and the ERV's rolling, and the shelters open. Any way you want to slice it, that was disasterous and demoralizing. I didn't drag cambros of tuna surprise all the way across east Texas into western Louisiana to have to contend with that kind of BS, and neither did the rest of my team. Most of us deployed at least twice, and plenty of us were up for four three or four one month long deployments.
In my opinion, absolutely everything good that happened afterward is directly attributable to former Vice Admiral Thad Allen of the USCG.
 
cheygriz

You mean like Baltimore, Boston, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles, Los Vegas, San Francisco, Kansa City, Seattle etc.????
We appreciate the mention, but please get it right. It's Las Vegas. Oh, and also please say "Nevadda"... not "Nevahda".

Thanks. The local citizenry appreciates it. :D
 
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