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  1. iapetus

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    Do you know where I can find some good, reliable pro-RKBA statistics (preferably from an impartial source)?

    E.g. ones showing how crime has dropped in CCW cities/states, the number of defencive uses of firearms, etc.
     
  2. Justin

    Justin Moderator Emeritus

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    Check the CDC

    FBI Uniform Crime Report

    and the BATFe Youth Gun Interdiction Initiative study, specifically look at the number of firearms the BATFe is asked to trace. It doesn't take long to figure out that far more traces are run on .22's, .380's, and 12 Gauges than on any sort of EBR.
     
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    http://www.guncite.com/

    This is a good place to look and they source all of their data, so you can use the original citation instead of referring them to Guncite if you are concerned about impartiality.
     
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    CDC is good; FBI UCR is good.

    But you're stepping into a world of arguments with the questions you want to address.

    John Lott has the research on CCW/crime "More Guns, Less Crime", two editions. Gary Kleck has the Defensive Gun Use (DGU) - Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America. Both have other popular works available.

    Now, it happens I don't find the arguments against these publications persuasive, but you would do yourself a favor by doing some Googling around to see the criticisms, and understand them, and be prepared to respond. A number of the critics are not, strictly speaking, anti-gun, but have methodology and internal consistency questions worthy of consideration.
     
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    Jews for the presevation of firearms ownership has an EXCELLENT site with many paper with references out the whazoo. (That's a medical term used in the hospital :) )

    Check CDC they shot down everybodys gun causing/reducing violent crime. The antis lost 40 studies we lost 1

    But RKBA is not based on statistics but human/legal/ethical principles ( IMHO )

    NukemJim
     
  6. iapetus

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    Thats for the tips.


    What is the "CDC"?


    I agree (or at least, I can't think of any crime statistics that would out weigh the "number of unarmed people killed/oppressed by their/someone else's government" statistics.

    Its just that I was having a roughly related subject, and mentioned that "apparently, in the parts of America that have introduced the most liberal laws on carrying conceals guns, they have seen the largest drop in violent crime", and wanted to make sure I had a good backing for what I said.
     
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    And no, I cannot direct you to statistics that'll give you the answer you want. I can direct you to data and studies, but the conclusions speak for themselves and the researchers.
     
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    This is a scholarly piece. It includes 13 different surveys on defensive gun use estimates (in the United States) ranging from sources that are from left-wing to right. As summarized by guncite, they range from 700,000 to 3 million.

    Implied number of def. gun uses

    3,052,717 Field
    1,414,544 Bordua
    n.a. Cambridge reports
    2,141,512 DMIa
    1,098,409 DMIb
    1,797,461 Hart
    771,043 Ohio
    n.a. Time/CNN
    1,487,342 Mauser
    777,153 Gallup
    1,621,377 Gallup
    3,609,682 L.A.Times
    764,036 Tarrance





    ***
    http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm

    Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (Northwestern)
    Guns and Violence Symposium,
    vol. 86, no. 1, 1995: 150.
    Posted for Educational use only. The printed edition remains canonical. For citational use please visit the local law library or obtain a back issue.


    ARMED RESISTANCE TO CRIME: THE PREVALENCE AND NATURE OF SELF-DEFENSE WITH A GUN *
    Gary Kleck
    Marc Gertz

    Copyright © 1995 by the Northwestern University School of Law, Gary Kleck & Marc Gertz

    I. INTRODUCTION...
     
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