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The sideshow that is fun watching in Kansas is allowing firearms on College Campus. On July 1, 2017 State Law allows firearms to be brought on campuses.

Universities are currently operating under a four-year exemption to the protection act, which started July 1, 2013, to allow them to plan and prepare for opening campuses to firearms.

The Liberals are in full blown panic mode at the mere idea of guns being legally allowed on campus.

One teacher testified the guns in the classroom will end debate because someone with a gun will get angry and shot the other students.

Another Professor has resigned his tenture and is going to another State to teach.

Another point is should teachers not allow closed-door counseling sessions with a student because they don’t know if the student will be armed with a gun.

What the Liberals and Professors are doing is describing the college campuses as full of mentally disturbed individuals who will go on killing spree once they are legal allowed to bring a firearm on campus. I will state that I did have some strange instructors when I was in college so banning the teachers may have merit. :rolleyes:
 
Thee is, and has been, a very clear trend here.

You can call it conservative vs liberal or republican vs Democrat...or you can call it urban vs everybody else
 
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The sideshow that is fun watching in Kansas is allowing firearms on College Campus. On July 1, 2017 State Law allows firearms to be brought on campuses.

Universities are currently operating under a four-year exemption to the protection act, which started July 1, 2013, to allow them to plan and prepare for opening campuses to firearms.

The Liberals are in full blown panic mode at the mere idea of guns being legally allowed on campus.

One teacher testified the guns in the classroom will end debate because someone with a gun will get angry and shot the other students.

Another Professor has resigned his tenture and is going to another State to teach.

Another point is should teachers not allow closed-door counseling sessions with a student because they don’t know if the student will be armed with a gun.

What the Liberals and Professors are doing is describing the college campuses as full of mentally disturbed individuals who will go on killing spree once they are legal allowed to bring a firearm on campus. I will state that I did have some strange instructors when I was in college so banning the teachers may have merit. :rolleyes:
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Tell all of them that Indiana, Utah, and other states have allowed guns to be carried on camps by state law for many years.

In Indiana handgun carry licenses are shall issue at the age of 18 with no training requirement, colleges are legal to carry, bars are legal to carry, carrying while drinking is illegal, and the % of the population licensed to carry is one of the highest in the country. Been that way for a long time. And guess what. It's not a problem!!!
 
Warp, I think you'll find that telling "them" about the positive outcomes of relaxing the restrictions on guns will end up just like some of our discussions with the Texans about relaxing their OC laws:

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We don't care. That's one of the things about Texans. We really, truly don't care how you think we should do it.
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I see it as a bit different...it's not telling them how to do it, it's telling them that when that is done, it's not a problem. People talk about all kinds of things they think will happen as a result, but we have real world proof that those things just simply don't happen.

Which is when I fall back on "do you really think all the folks up in Indiana are that much better than you? Are the Indiana residents truly that much more intelligent, reasonable, and blessed with superior judgment and self control"?

Because there's just no excuse, today, for people to think that these things create widespread problems.
 
What bothers me most about GFZ's is that people act like there is some sort of "Good Feelings Force Field" keeping bad guys from putting a gun in a backpack or under a jacket and carrying into a classroom, private counseling session, bar, church or any other prohibited place.
 
Illinois has gotten better with RKBA by leaps and bounds over the last decade---much owing to the efforts of the NRA, ISRA & other aligned groups winning in court.

-Shall Issue CCW
-Chicago defacto pistol ban via closed registry abolished--and registry there abolished
-SBR's now possible.

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Ongoing attempts by the (ever smaller) Chi gun ban gang to attempt a state AWB, .50 BMG ban,standard mag ban have been fought off successfully. Private sales still legal.

Hunters can now also take 1 bobcat a season---something altogether new.

More than single things is the sea-change that MacDonald brought to any public discourse on guns and policy here in Illinois; all conversations now start from the flat-fact understanding that the RKBA is accepted law. The debate is over, and it is a good feeling. Sure, the bliss-ninnies will *always* try to gain traction here as they have since 1968, but the rug has been pulled from under them.
 
I see it as a bit different...it's not telling them how to do it, it's telling them that when that is done, it's not a problem.
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You and I know that, or see it that way.

The folks being told that is isn't a problem (and, thus, that they should let go of their fears and allow carry) won't much care for your distinction.

They'll still tell you to buzz off and MYOB because whether or not it is "a problem" in other places doesn't have anything to do with why they don't want it.
 
LOL, true, but in this case I was mostly talking about the anti side and those that lean toward their views.
 
BSA1 said:
The sideshow that is fun watching in Kansas is allowing firearms on College Campus. On July 1, 2017 State Law allows firearms to be brought on campuses.

Universities are currently operating under a four-year exemption to the protection act, which started July 1, 2013, to allow them to plan and prepare for opening campuses to firearms.

The Liberals are in full blown panic mode at the mere idea of guns being legally allowed on campus.

One teacher testified the guns in the classroom will end debate because someone with a gun will get angry and shot the other students.

Another Professor has resigned his tenture and is going to another State to teach.

Another point is should teachers not allow closed-door counseling sessions with a student because they don’t know if the student will be armed with a gun.

What the Liberals and Professors are doing is describing the college campuses as full of mentally disturbed individuals who will go on killing spree once they are legal allowed to bring a firearm on campus. I will state that I did have some strange instructors when I was in college so banning the teachers may have merit. :rolleyes:
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If the students are really that crazy, would they let a little thing like a law stop them from bringing a gun to school?

I saw lots more crazy profs than students when I was in college.
 
Colorado

Things aren't changing now but we took several steps backward in 2013.

The magazine capacity restrictions are routinely ignored but I don't necessarily think that's good because if people can get around them there's no urgency to repeal them.
 
The magazine capacity restrictions are routinely ignored but I don't necessarily think that's good because if people can get around them there's no urgency to repeal them.
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I doubt they were smart enough to plan it that way but what you say is so true. Fact is, about the only way to be certain about who's legal is going to be DOB and that will be final. If the law stands, attrition will eliminate standard cap mags.
 
Things are improving in Oregon. Passed SB 941 requiring universal background checks last year. SB 945 didn't pass (It set penalties for allowing minors unauthorized access to firearms). If we can get SB 945 passed next year our state gun laws will be all squared away.
 
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
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You are on a gun forum.

This is The High Road, in case you were mistaken.

For purposes of this thread, increases in gun control, increases in government interference with the Right to keep and bear arms, and increased hoops to jump through when dealing with firearms, is not progress.
 
Warp said:
You are on a gun forum.

This is The High Road, in case you were mistaken.

For purposes of this thread, increases in gun control, increases in government interference with the Right to keep and bear arms, and increased hoops to jump through when dealing with firearms, is not progress.
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Yes, we are on a gun forum. I am a member of this forum, I am also a gun owner. I think the passing of universal background checks in Oregon was a good thing. Again, you can believe what you want, I will believe what I want. I will state my opinion even if it happens to be unpopular in this forum. You don't get to tell me what is and is not progress, I can figure that out for myself.
 
Personally, I disagree with you that it is progress. Can you explain why you think it is?

Background checks don't stop anyone from getting guns.

Background checks do only one thing - create a secondary unregulated (black) market for guns. Unfortunately, the presence of a black market creates a need to supply the black market. That in turn encourages the theft of firearms from law-abiding owners. So what you have done is increased the chance that your guns will be stolen. To me that's a bad thing...but you seem to approve. Please explain why you feel it is progress.


I say background checks but in reality it is the removal of civil rights, e.g. barring those with a felony conviction from exercising their 2a rights, which is truly to blame. The background check is just a means of enforcement.
 
Guys, please take the off topic debates elsewhere... PLEASE. This is an interesting thread and I don't want to see it locked or derailed over a couple of guys getting their panties in a wad. :)

I'm surprised I'm the first from Texas.

Things are generally improving here in the Lone Star State but we have a long way to go yet. Our legislature is only in session for a maximum of 140 day every odd numbered year. I like this system because I generally don't trust politicians and the less they are in session the less damage they can do. Therefore, there will be no changes this year.

Here is a brief review of the 2015 session.

- All 5 anti bills proposed did not even receive a committee hearing. Thank you TSRA!
- Open Carry passed and was implemented at the beginning of this year
- Campus carry passed and went into effect in August of last year for 4 year institutions and will go into effect in 2017 for 2 year institutions. The law applies to all public and private colleges and universities though private institutions can opt out
- A law was passed that creates a process which requires governmental agencies who inappropriately post 30.06 signs, where, by statute CC is allowed, to remove the signs or face large penalties. Some local school districts, libraries, city buildings, etc were posting 30.06 signs inappropriately. The law provided no punishment for doing so. This fixes that.
 
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"I think the passing of universal background checks in Oregon was a good thing."

Fine. If the state was willing to pay for the BG checks in the name of public safety or whatever.

A private background check in Tennessee costs $29 done through the state, $30 done through a FFL gun dealer. Transfer from an out of state FFL can run $65.

Background check through a gun dealer on a local store sale is $10 which includes state bureau of investigation and NICS checks.

Why does a private check (UBC style) have to cost more than a FFL dealer check?

Quite frankly the additional fees for private transfers have one purpose (discourage private sales/swaps/trades/gifts/inheritance) but lots of unintended consequences (private transfers in spite of the BC requirement, as in: show me your handgun carry permit, OK).

The 40% non dealer transfers cited under the NSPOF were:
19% gifts among family members
5% inheritances
13% private sales of used guns
3% swaps or trades between gun owners.

Those are the transfers subject to UBC laws: non dealer transfers.
 
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West Virginia is making progress each and every legislative session. Constitutional Carry is the big apple we are all reaching for this year. Almost got it last year, except the liberal governor vetoed it at zero hour so there was no time for an override. This year it is being pushed through earlier and unless some unforeseen maneuver by a anti-second amendment legislator sets up a road block (unlikely) it will pass, be vetoed by the governor and then that veto overridden.

The growing in strength West Virginia Citizens Defense League is behind the push and doing a wonderful job. I encourage all West Virginian's who value their civil rights to join WVCDL.
 
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