Unfriendly gun states
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BryanP
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1. Based on comments by other users I'd have to guess California, New Jersey and Massachusetts, with Illinois right behind them.
2. Not only no but !@#$ no.
2. Not only no but !@#$ no.
Richardson
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2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
I live in Illinois, which gives the others a run for their money...
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
Giving up the battle in Illinois (or another anti-RKBA state) would only make it worse for the other states.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
Gun confiscation, or a state-wide ban on handguns or assault style weapons.
Richardson
I live in Illinois, which gives the others a run for their money...
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
Giving up the battle in Illinois (or another anti-RKBA state) would only make it worse for the other states.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
Gun confiscation, or a state-wide ban on handguns or assault style weapons.
Richardson
DWS1117
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Again based on other user comments it would seem that Maryland is very friendly towards the gun culture.
I'm in Texas and have no reason to move.
I'm in Texas and have no reason to move.
How about:
California
New Jersey
Hawaii
Although Illinois isn't great, Chicago, FOID cards etc.
Massechusets has all sorts of funky permits too, but getting a CCW isn't exactly impossible there either, so that balances things out just a tad.
New York, ouside NYC, isn't actually too bad, but I think you need some kind of handgun permit and waiting period etc. "May Issue" CCW isn't too bad in rural counties though.
WI is great except for the lack of CCW, hopefully to be rectified soon, and that big city chiefs and sherrifs probably won't sign ATF MG, Silencer, and Short Barreled paperwork.
WI is notable as CCW is forbidden for everybody except sworn LEO's. We don't even have "May Issue" permits for the political and wealthy eliete, stalking victims (even if the sherrif is sympathetic) Private Eye's, Jewlers etc.
So on one hand, WI is currently just about the "toughest" CCW state, but on the other, it's good as it means all those retired LEO's, PI's. Jewlers, rich folks may have been on our side throughout the fight.
I stay in WI, because:
1. Other than CCW, the gun laws are really no worse than the federal ones/just about as good as any other place you might name. For a state east of the Mississippi, and north of Kentucky, we've got a pretty decent "gun culture" IMO.
2. Since I'm a law-abiding and relatively clean-cut guy, I have very minimal police contact, so I feel I could "get away" with CCW if I "absolutely had to", either on moral 2nd Ammendment grounds, or practical grounds such as being stalked.
3. We're hopefully a week away from getting CCW here.
California
New Jersey
Hawaii
Although Illinois isn't great, Chicago, FOID cards etc.
Massechusets has all sorts of funky permits too, but getting a CCW isn't exactly impossible there either, so that balances things out just a tad.
New York, ouside NYC, isn't actually too bad, but I think you need some kind of handgun permit and waiting period etc. "May Issue" CCW isn't too bad in rural counties though.
WI is great except for the lack of CCW, hopefully to be rectified soon, and that big city chiefs and sherrifs probably won't sign ATF MG, Silencer, and Short Barreled paperwork.
WI is notable as CCW is forbidden for everybody except sworn LEO's. We don't even have "May Issue" permits for the political and wealthy eliete, stalking victims (even if the sherrif is sympathetic) Private Eye's, Jewlers etc.
So on one hand, WI is currently just about the "toughest" CCW state, but on the other, it's good as it means all those retired LEO's, PI's. Jewlers, rich folks may have been on our side throughout the fight.
I stay in WI, because:
1. Other than CCW, the gun laws are really no worse than the federal ones/just about as good as any other place you might name. For a state east of the Mississippi, and north of Kentucky, we've got a pretty decent "gun culture" IMO.
2. Since I'm a law-abiding and relatively clean-cut guy, I have very minimal police contact, so I feel I could "get away" with CCW if I "absolutely had to", either on moral 2nd Ammendment grounds, or practical grounds such as being stalked.
3. We're hopefully a week away from getting CCW here.
tcdrennen
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1. NJ, NY, MA, IL
2. I live in CA, but not in the Blue area - though Orange County isn't too far from L.A.
3. I still live here because the cause is worth fighting for, and the WEATHER is the best anywhere.
4. Great job/income and acceptable climate (little/no snow, low humidity, temperate year round.)
I've lived in the Northeast (NY, MA, PA, OH) and was stationed in the Far East, Persian Gulf, Caribbean and Virginia while in the Navy; I've travelled through most of the U.S. at various times of year. So Cal has the best of it all for climates.
2. I live in CA, but not in the Blue area - though Orange County isn't too far from L.A.
3. I still live here because the cause is worth fighting for, and the WEATHER is the best anywhere.
4. Great job/income and acceptable climate (little/no snow, low humidity, temperate year round.)
I've lived in the Northeast (NY, MA, PA, OH) and was stationed in the Far East, Persian Gulf, Caribbean and Virginia while in the Navy; I've travelled through most of the U.S. at various times of year. So Cal has the best of it all for climates.
I can't name the top 3, but I live in NY and it is not all that friendly. The hoops to go through to get a CCW are borderline ridiculous but at least now I can go in buy a handgun and bring it home that day (if I time all the paperwork right). I would like to stay because if we can move NY, a May Issue state to a Shall Issue state (at least outside of NYC) then I would say that there is a lot of hope for the rest of the country. Gun confiscation would cause me.
cratz2
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I live in Indiana which by comparison of our neighbor to the west is extremely gun-friendly. I can't think of any 'rights' I would like on a daily basis that I am denied other than being able to hunt with a centerfire rifle.
Texas seems to be a pretty gun-friendly state. Used to live there... may again at some point.
Anyone live in Montana? That's the only other state I can realistically see myself moving to anytime soon.
Texas seems to be a pretty gun-friendly state. Used to live there... may again at some point.
Anyone live in Montana? That's the only other state I can realistically see myself moving to anytime soon.
geekWithA.45
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1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
NJ, CA, IL
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
Yes, NJ.
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
I don't. We're out of here.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
See #3
NJ, CA, IL
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
Yes, NJ.
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
I don't. We're out of here.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
See #3
El Tejon
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crat, no hunting with centerfire? ***? It depends. You need to get out of the city sometime. I'll introduce you to some tree farmers.
Hmmm, based on my knowledge I would say MA, NJ and CA. As far as cities, Chicago, D.C. and Boston.
You need to get out of the city sometime. I'll introduce you to some tree farmers. Hmmm, based on my knowledge I would say MA, NJ and CA. As far as cities, Chicago, D.C. and Boston.
Chipperman
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1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
Debatable, but MA is usually on there
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
MA
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
B/C I grew up here.
B/C I have a Class A CCW that allows me to carry any handgun I want. I also can have machine guns, which many other supposedly pro gun states do not allow.
B/CI can carry into any restaurant or bar, unlike a lot of states
B/C somebody needs to stay behind to carry on the fight
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
A better job and house
or new legislation that would take away my CCW, Machine guns, or any other guns I own.
Debatable, but MA is usually on there
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
MA
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
B/C I grew up here.
B/C I have a Class A CCW that allows me to carry any handgun I want. I also can have machine guns, which many other supposedly pro gun states do not allow.
B/CI can carry into any restaurant or bar, unlike a lot of states
B/C somebody needs to stay behind to carry on the fight
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
A better job and house
or new legislation that would take away my CCW, Machine guns, or any other guns I own.
NJ, IL and CA
NY and MA get honorable mention.
I live in MA, the only really bad thing is the safety laws which prevent us from buying all the latest and greatest till they get approved. Yeah, paying to tke a safety class sucks but I got over it once I saw some of the people in my class! yikes!
That being said, never heard of anyone getting turned down for CCW as long as they took a class and filled out the forms, although under Republican Governors the fees have skyrocketed lest they have to raise taxes, still feels like a tax to me whatever they call it. Check that, there was one I heard about but he lied on the app, bad move.
Boston has no anti gun statutes. I was sipping a vodka tonic watching a fully nude dancer while carrying my G19 the other night. In most of the country you can't even have booze and full nude let alone carry in bars.
NY and MA get honorable mention.
I live in MA, the only really bad thing is the safety laws which prevent us from buying all the latest and greatest till they get approved. Yeah, paying to tke a safety class sucks but I got over it once I saw some of the people in my class! yikes!
That being said, never heard of anyone getting turned down for CCW as long as they took a class and filled out the forms, although under Republican Governors the fees have skyrocketed lest they have to raise taxes, still feels like a tax to me whatever they call it. Check that, there was one I heard about but he lied on the app, bad move.
Boston has no anti gun statutes. I was sipping a vodka tonic watching a fully nude dancer while carrying my G19 the other night. In most of the country you can't even have booze and full nude let alone carry in bars.
Carbonator
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Don't forget DC. So it's not a state, but it's among the worst.
Secmat
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I've been offered a position in a gun friendly state, but it would still be strange having to take a class and having to get a permit to carry. I've carried in VT without having to have a permit for about 25 years, and have been shooting handguns for 34 years. Culture shock...
I was offered a lucrative position in NY last year, but declined. Couldn't fathom needing permission just to own a hand gun. Sheesh...
I was offered a lucrative position in NY last year, but declined. Couldn't fathom needing permission just to own a hand gun. Sheesh...
DWS1117, did you mean MD isn't very gun friendly? Of course it may be only the jurisdictions I'm most familiar with, the ones that touch the beltway, that make that state seem unfriendly.
Carbonator - absolutely right about DC. If it were a state it would head the list. It would also head the list in gun crimes per capita - go figure.
Carbonator - absolutely right about DC. If it were a state it would head the list. It would also head the list in gun crimes per capita - go figure.
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AnklePocket
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I think it may be about individual rights (of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) vs. collective duty void of values. I've concluded that life will be much more enjoyable where our Founding Fathers' concepts are still alive. Unfortunately it isn't in New Jersey and the RKBA issues are only a part of it. We'll be gone, hopefully, by the summer.
Core American Values are consistent across all issues.
Core American Values are consistent across all issues.
LynnMassGuy
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I can tell you first hand, MA is not a gun friendly state.:banghead:
I stay because of my job.
I want to move. When the company I work for has a postion for me NH I will go and I will let my reps know why I am leaving.
I stay because of my job.
I want to move. When the company I work for has a postion for me NH I will go and I will let my reps know why I am leaving.
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CA and I live here. My semis are out of state. No new guns unless they pass the drop test. No old guns since they will never be submitted for a drop test.
BTW, the only reason why I'm still here is that I'm not eligible for retirement yet and I'm too old to start working on another retirement.
BTW, the only reason why I'm still here is that I'm not eligible for retirement yet and I'm too old to start working on another retirement.
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DWS1117
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Yep. That's what I meant to type..looks like I missed a couple of letters.
Yep. That's what I meant to type..looks like I missed a couple of letters.
FPrice
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1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
NJ, MD, CA (as far as I can tell) My present home state of MA is certainly one of the worst itself and my answers will reflect that.
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
MA
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
My job is here and I have 357 days until retirement. My elderly Mom is here and I am a large part of her support system - I can't leave her. AND, if I (and a lot of other pro-gun people) decide to leave here for other places, just who would carry on the fight to reverse the tide of anti-gun legislation? If we give up even one state, that state may become the "ideal" that other anti-gun forces in other states hold up as the way we all need to be. You do NOT win a fight by running away.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
My impending retirement, the concurrence of my wife, and the ability to move my Mother with me. Even then I worry about the last part of my answer to no. 3.
NJ, MD, CA (as far as I can tell) My present home state of MA is certainly one of the worst itself and my answers will reflect that.
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
MA
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
My job is here and I have 357 days until retirement. My elderly Mom is here and I am a large part of her support system - I can't leave her. AND, if I (and a lot of other pro-gun people) decide to leave here for other places, just who would carry on the fight to reverse the tide of anti-gun legislation? If we give up even one state, that state may become the "ideal" that other anti-gun forces in other states hold up as the way we all need to be. You do NOT win a fight by running away.
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
My impending retirement, the concurrence of my wife, and the ability to move my Mother with me. Even then I worry about the last part of my answer to no. 3.
LAMPROPELTIS
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Dont forget Connecticut The We violate the Constitution State...
Highland Ranger
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1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
Answered. NJ CA certainly IL too, then Mass, Maryland and the rest as honorable mentions.
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
Yup, NJ.
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
Because there is more to life than guns - Folks with particularly strong family ties don't move too far from family. If you are in the process of raising an existing family, you don't uproot children without really good cause. Job market plays into it as well - not too many high paying consulting jobs on a mountaintop in Tenn . . . Besides, I don't need a gun to be dangerous!
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
I think I agree with what others have said - we're close to PA, if they came for the guns, I think that would do it - we'd have to scoot over the border into the promised land. Hell of a commute though . . .
Answered. NJ CA certainly IL too, then Mass, Maryland and the rest as honorable mentions.
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
Yup, NJ.
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
Because there is more to life than guns - Folks with particularly strong family ties don't move too far from family. If you are in the process of raising an existing family, you don't uproot children without really good cause. Job market plays into it as well - not too many high paying consulting jobs on a mountaintop in Tenn . . . Besides, I don't need a gun to be dangerous!
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
I think I agree with what others have said - we're close to PA, if they came for the guns, I think that would do it - we'd have to scoot over the border into the promised land. Hell of a commute though . . .
Standing Wolf
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Three of the main reasons I left the People's Republic of California was its hostility toward my First, Second, and Fourth Amendment civil rights. Life is much better in the United States.
Black Majik
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1. What are the top 3 unfriendly gun states?
CA, MA, NJ
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
PRK - California
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
2 W's...
The weather
&
The women!
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
Great weather, beautiful women, near a beach, lenient gun laws (anythings better than here), the possibility to get an AR (I want one so bad), and lower taxes.
CA, MA, NJ
2. Do you currently live in one of these states?
PRK - California
3. Given the importance of our RKBA, why do still choose to live there?
2 W's...
The weather
&
The women!
4. What would it take for you to decide to move out of your current state?
Great weather, beautiful women, near a beach, lenient gun laws (anythings better than here), the possibility to get an AR (I want one so bad), and lower taxes.
To paraphrase 4v50 Gary:
I'll be here until finances change, then I'm a dot. Love the weather, but I don't mind the rain in the NorthWest nor the summer heat in Arizona & Nevada.
Along with California, I'd say MD and MA.
unless someone else in the state decides to sell and I can find it on consignment. All handguns are registered at time of purchase. I've paid some ridiculous prices for pistols that are reasonable everywhere else. Call it the California surcharge on old pistols.
I'll be here until finances change, then I'm a dot. Love the weather, but I don't mind the rain in the NorthWest nor the summer heat in Arizona & Nevada.
Along with California, I'd say MD and MA.
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