Steyr AUG or....

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So I'm going to the gunshow tomorrow, and am probably at the very least going to trade in my SIG 556 (the older version with the adjustable stock instead of folding) for something a bit newer. I've been reading up on the Steyr AUG and the IMI Tavor and was wondering which one was better (price on both is between 1800 and 1900). Personally, I like the AUG a bit more even though it does use non-AR mags (not a big deal, I can find them for right around $20 when I shop outside of the Steyr website). Is there anything about the Tavor that is decisively better than the AUG or are they about the same?


Oh, and about how much would you say is a fair price for a almost brand new (less than 200 rounds fired) SIG 556?

Thanks in advance.
 
I would try to get $900 to $1000 for the Sig 556 old style. I had one that had the old style (M-4 stock) which I think is actually better then the cheesy folding stock on the newer one. I like the new Swiss Style folding stock better. You will not get anywhere near that kind of money if you trade in or sell to a dealer.
Just my $.02

Never held, shot or owned a Aug or a Tavor.
 
I am a big fan of the AUG, great rifle plus looks cool. Also you can get a conversion for it and shoot 9mm thru it as well. I always wanted one but never felt like spending close to $2000 on the rifle. Even though now my ar-15 I bought instead has around $3000 into it with optics and all the upgrades I did to it(where's the logic in that)
 
I was looking around for either an AUG or Tavor, whichever one I came across first at a reasonable price. I found a 16" FDE Tavor first and so far I live the way it handles. I haven't had a chance to fire it yet but so far, I like the way it handles. You can also lighten up the trigger by removing the redundant sear spring. It's there to make sure the sear will reset when clogged with dirt but it does make the trigger heavier so I took it out and it made it quite a bit better. Not to say that the AUG is a bad gun. I still plan on getting one but I just found the Tavor first.

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I held the Tabor this week at a shop and was mighty impressed.

But I've wanted an AUG ever since I saw Die Hard as a child.
 
I own both the 18" barrel Tavor and the Steyr Aug3 CQC NATO. The Tavor with both the 18" and 16.5" barrels are still shorter OAL rifles than the Aug3, and they are 1x7 rifle twist rates versus 1x9 for the Aug3 although there are now 1x7 twist barrels you can get to swap out. I favor the Tavor slightly over the Aug3, but I'm glad I own both. The Tavor is a hot rifle with over 30,000 sold in U.S in less than a year.
 
I've shot a Tavor and bought the AUG. The AUG's just a very well designed rifle that's very well made. There isn't anything about the AUG that you can point to and say 'They did that to meet a lower price point.'

I'm right handed, so the AUG's inability to be totally converted to LH use isn't a problem for me. I do like the short stroke piston and the adjustable gas regulator. It makes even weak Tula ammo work in the cold by setting the regulator to 'adverse'. The quick change barrels and newly available 9mmP conversion kits are just icing on the cake.

The tasty Austrian cake.

BSW
 
Geissele is releasing an improved trigger for the Tavor. Early reviews say it's amazing. they don't make one for the AUG. (and there is now a Tavor 9mm conversion kit, as well).
 
Thank you all for your contributions, I picked up an AUG A3 today!
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Hope you like the AUG.

I got one last year, but kept jonesing for a SCAR 16. I ended up selling the AUG and buying a SCAR. I am very happy with my decision.
 
I'm right handed, so the AUG's inability to be totally converted to LH use isn't a problem for me. I do like the short stroke piston and the adjustable gas regulator. It makes even weak Tula ammo work in the cold by setting the regulator to 'adverse'. The quick change barrels and newly available 9mmP conversion kits are just icing on the cake.
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I know you're more than just a weekend bench shooter, so I'm curious, have you shot the AUG from weird positions like urban or rollover prone? If so, have you found the bullpup setup to be more of a challenge for shooting from weird positions?
 
Rollover prone isn't a problem. Shooting left handed you're going to get brass in the face or you're going to have to use your right hand as a brass deflector. Practice ahead of time so you know what you're up against.

The AUG really shines when you're working around barricades or other equipment because of its balance and size.

BSW
 
I love my AUG but really like the location of mag release and charging handle for the Tavor. From first hand account I can say the AUG is a great rifle which handles incredibly well. The Tavor feels good in the hand but I haven't shot one yet. My biggest gripe with the AUG A3 though is the weight. Its over 8 lbs. I really wish Steyr would implement some weight saving design features. However, when handled it does feel lighter than most 8lb rifles due to so much weight being in the rear.
 
I can hold the Tavor against my shoulder holding one handed almost indefinitely whereas I can't with my Aug3 CQC NATO, and I find pulling the charging handle easier with the Tavor.
 
paintballdude902 said:
where the heck are the pics?



same here...
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Unfortunately, I had to drive back to school within a few hours of getting the rifle so I don't have any pics yet.I'm hoping I'll be able to go home this weekend and put at least a few rounds through the AUG and take a few pictures.

I'm a huge fan of Die Hard btw, and I loved the old-school AUG that Karl held. If those weren't three thousand dollars plus on the low end I would've made a run one of the old school ones. I popped it in the DVD player when I got home from the gunshow actually!

Oh and does anyone have any suggestions on good optics or other accessories (prefer to keep them simple, nothing SUPER fancy) I should throw on the rifle? If Steyr is making a rail mountable A1 style scope (or a newer rendering), then please tell me. It would look so much cooler with that on there (I'm a sucker for those).
 
My biggest gripe with the AUG A3 though is the weight. Its over 8 lbs.
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That's because there is a lot of steel in the AUG. Steyr doesn't use any aluminum as wear surfaces in the rifle. The bolt and barrel lock into a steel trunnion, the front of the barrel rests in a steel sleeve, there are steel inserts for the charging handle spring and gas piston guide as well as the barrel latch. The steel operating rods run in steel bearings press fit into the receiver.

It's surprising the AUG is as light as it is with all the steel in it.

BSW
 
That's because there is a lot of steel in the AUG. Steyr doesn't use any aluminum as wear surfaces in the rifle.
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True, but sort of like saying "he's obese because he has too much fat". For my use, recreational or potential HD, its no big deal. For a solider lugging it around all day, i'm guessing the Tavor would eventually start to look more favorable.

I do wish though that Steyr would flute the barrel like MSAR did. I think the AUG M1, with an A1 type updated optic is a great decision by Steyr but it won't help me with my A3.
 
The difference is that Steyr traded off weight for durability by using more steel than they absolutely needed to. That's a trade I'll take any day.

I suspect the barrel isn't fluted because of:
1) cost- Extra machine steps cost more per unit.
2) reproducibility- What affect on accuracy have on barrels when done in mass production?
3) minimal gain for increased work- How much weight would be saved by just fluting the barrel? More massive barrels heat slower under automatic fire, would fluting cool fast enough to make the reduction worthwhile?

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1) cost- Extra machine steps cost more per unit.
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Probably minimal but couldn't say how much.


2) reproducibility- What affect on accuracy have on barrels when done in mass production?
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No reason to expect any effect based on other fluted rifles. MSARs get accuracy on par (until barrel/receiver interface loosens at least) and have a fluted barrel.

3) minimal gain for increased work- How much weight would be saved by just fluting the barrel? More massive barrels heat slower under automatic fire, would fluting cool fast enough to make the reduction worthwhile?
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Well, with the A2 rail and fluting the MSAR comes in almost a pound lighter so quite a bit I suppose. Would it cool faster? Probably not much given most of the barrel is contained by a sleeve but unless used in the machine gun role I can't see it being an issue.
 
JustinJ said:
True, but sort of like saying "he's obese because he has too much fat".
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More like saying "He's obese because he has to much muscle", if you ask me. Or look at it this way the AUG is like a gymnast, she's small and compact like a model but she outweighs the model and is so much stronger.
 
Affordable scope options

Okay, I have the rifle but I need some optics on there so I can shoot it. I would really prefer not to break the bank on this one but I also wanna make sure I get a quality scope. Seeing as I'm probably not going to be doing any super long range shooting with my AUG I don't see the need for anything more powerful than 3 or 4x magnification. The 1.5 power scope from Steyr seems to be a good option, are there any opinions on it and is it worth the $500-ish they're asking?

If you have any other suggestions on a good scope in the $250 - $600 range with less than 4x magnification feel free to suggest it!

Thanks.
 
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