Still Think the Republicans are Fiscally Conservative?

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Here's what happened when one Republican congressman tried to suggest that the payouts for Katrina ought to be offset by reducing spending elsewhere:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20050926.shtml
WASHINGTON -- Rep. Mike Pence, a 46-year-old former radio talk show host from eastern Indiana serving his third term in Congress, is currently chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee (RSC). He has tried hard to cooperate with the regular House Republican leadership rather than confront it. So, he could not have been happy last Tuesday when he found himself in a closed-door autodafe, with GOP leaders as the inquisitors and Pence as the heretic.

Pence and the RSC's heresy was to propose that massive federal outlays resulting from Hurricane Katrina be offset by reduced spending elsewhere. Specifically, they requested offsets to cut highway projects earmarked by individual House members, and a delay in implementing President Bush's new Medicare prescription drug subsidy. The negative reaction by the leadership was reflected when Pence, offered a seat at a later meeting, explained that he would be more comfortable standing because House Speaker Dennis Hastert had just tanned his hide.

Neither President Bush nor congressional leaders will tolerate tampering with the drug subsidy, the president's least popular initiative among conservatives. While the White House would be happy to see some highway pork eliminated, the House leaders absolutely refused. At stake here is a basic disagreement over the philosophy of government within the Republican Party as it nears the end of its 11th year controlling the House of Representatives.

Hastert believes it is not just the privilege but the duty of a House member to deliver federal projects to his constituents. Many younger conservatives could not disagree more, but most -- like Pence -- are loyal Republicans who are loath to criticize their leaders. An exception on the RSC to such reticence is 42-year-old Rep. Jeff Flake of Arizona, who like Pence ran a conservative think tank before entering Congress.

Self-limited to three terms ending next year, Flake has acted as though there is no tomorrow from his first day in the House in January 2001. He, along with Pence, was one of only 25 Republicans to vote against the drug subsidy in 2003. Flake believes big government is addictive. "The leadership hooks the new members when they come into Congress," Flake told me, "and they stay hooked."

Pence was far more discreet in Tuesday's session with his party's leadership, but that did not save him a going over, led by two powerful committee chairmen: Rep. Don Young (Transportation Committee) and Rep. Bill Thomas (Ways and Means Committee). The harshest treatment of Pence, however, was administered by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who does not like his rank-and-file members depicting a free-spending Republican Party.

There was more of the same from the leadership at Wednesday's closed-door House Republican Conference. Pence was not asked to speak on behalf of the RSC, and he did not volunteer.

But later Wednesday, RSC members in a press conference unveiled Operation Offset, an attempt to cut earmarks and reduce the drug subsidy bill. Pence offered to delay his $26 million highway earmark for Muncie and Anderson in eastern Indiana. Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a 48-year-old second-termer from Texas, similarly would be willing to delay $16 million for roads in Mesquite. Flake is a rare congressman who asked for no earmarked highway funds for his district (though it did not keep him from re-election last year with 79 percent of the vote). Young is the grand champion earmarker, with more than $1 billion in the highway bill for projects in his state of Alaska.

Pence, Flake and Hensarling met privately with Office of Management and Budget Director Josh Bolten last Thursday and got a warmer reception than they did from their own leadership -- up to a point. The president will not permit a hair to be touched on the head of the expensive new entitlement for prescription drugs.

The beleaguered conservatives see all this spending leading inexorably to a tax increase, which would redistribute the tax burden to the disadvantage of the successful and threaten an economic recession. Barry Goldwater long ago assailed Dwight D. Eisenhower for presiding over a "Dime Store New Deal." That stinging rebuke no longer would be appropriate for today's Republicans. They outdo Democrats on pork and are in the same ballpark on entitlements. Even Katrina and now Rita do not restrain them.

Yup. Those Congressional Republicans sure are trying to reign in spending.
 
The republicans currently in power are NOT fiscally conservative... They are hardly conservative at all. They are little more than religious corporatists... And it is becoming all the more evident...

Time to throw them out and bring back the libertarian republicans...
 
Bush is on the left fringe of the GOP. For good or bad, he tends to steer the party any direction he wants. It's like a two person bike. The person in front (Bush and his followers) gets to choose where to go and the person on the back (The rest of the GOP) has no choice but to keep pedaling until it is time to switch. Bush isn't my favorite, but he is better than the alternative. :(
 
The minute you walked in the joint,
I could see you were a man of distinction,
A real big spender,
Good looking, so refined.
Say, wouldn't you like to know
What's going on in my mind?

So, let me get right to the point,
I don't pop my cork for ev'ry guy I see.
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Laughs (fun) laughs
(I can show you a...)
(fun) laughs (fun) laughs
(good time)
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Fun, laughs (good time)...Ssssssssssss...
What did you say you are?
How's about a ...(laugh)
I could give you some...
Are you ready for some...(fun)
How would you like a...
Let me show you a ...(good time)

Hey, big spender...
Hey, big spender...


And why not? It's only money and not even their money. They'll spend like drunken sailors whoring for votes. Who's gonna stop them? Each one of them is already set for life, thanks to a little 'public service'. How much longer are the American people gonna put up with this?
 
Americans are taught in school and on TV that the government is just one big giveaway program unless you own too many guns or think that Reagan was right when he said no deal to the USSR. That's what they have to work with. Not about limited government.
 
Never Did

Fiscally conservative is not the same as fiscally responsible.

Next time some one promises to cut taxes ask him what programs he will cut to offset the tax cut.Eliminating waste won't do it,It takes the elimination of programs.
 
"Not yours to give" !!!

I know that many may not have time to read the whole article, but I believe that everyone should. The sentiment is especially timely, and the argument is still sound. We would do well with a few more like Colonel Crockett in office, in spite of their party affiliation.

NOT YOURS TO GIVE
 
Some Republicans are fiscally conservative.

But most love their diet of 'Pork'.



:mad:
 
Interestingly, nobody yet has asked the question why it is the Bushahidin got so upset about any suggestion of cutting down on the medicare subsidies. Maybe the reaction was because the subsidies would go from the taxpayer right into the deep pockets of the pharmaceutical corporations? Hmmm. Food for thought... Follow the money...
 
The republicans currently in power are NOT fiscally conservative... They are hardly conservative at all. They are little more than religious corporatists... And it is becoming all the more evident...

Time to throw them out and bring back the libertarian republicans...

religious corporatists is the perfect description of bushco, and I agree it's time to bring back the libertarian republicans before they abandon the republican party for something else.
 
so Art, then why is the thread still open? :) I'm fine either way, but just askin'.

Fact: The Bush Admin's non-defense, non-entitlement spending increase, expressed as a percent of GDP, in relation to the prior president, has not increased this much since Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society admin. Repeat: That does NOT even count the military spending (wars) OR entitlements like SS, medicare, medicaid, which have all grown phenomenally as well under shrub.
 
Tax and squander, tax and squander, tax and squander.
NO, that formula is traditionally blamed on Democrats. The republican Reaganomics version is:

borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend....

deficits don't matter, deficits don't matter, deficits don't matter....
 
The rationalization during the Reagan years was that it was a Dem congress that would get blamed for overspending and tax cuts would starve the beast.

There is no rationalization for what the Republicans have done. They have become 1960's Democrats.
 
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