The clever GOP strategy for defeat in November

[bowfin]

/*PS- As for talk radio. I saw a report not too long ago that showed in EVERY major market where Al Franken or Ed Shultz were on opposite Rush or O'reilly they beat them hands down in the ratings. Rush and other just have more markets currently*/

If Al Franken can beat Rush Limbaugh so handily, why wouldn't stations competing against his show be snapping him up?

The lesson you should have taken home from the report you read is that Al Franken can't even get on the air in hundreds of markets around the country, not that he is more popular in Greenwich Village.

 

[bowfin]

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel is a big disappointment to Conservative Nebraskans, he has to run for president in 2008 because he has no future left in his own state.

Our Overwhelmingly Republican and supposedly conservative state legislature just overrode a veto so illegal aliens can pay resident tuition at our university system.

I would rather have Hillary in the White House for four years to show the current Republican party that they "just don't get it", than keep those Republicans in power and have them mistakenly believe that their current performance is acceptable. Sort of like benching your team's superstar for a second string guy to let him no that less than acceptable performance is really not acceptable.

As for what mischief Hillary could do while in office, everything in politics is reversible, although it is infinitely harder to reverse than prevent bad laws.

 

[cracked butt]

t depends on who the next President is, too. Russ Feingold, for one, voted against the AWB renewal. And here's something from a site about him:

Quote:
"He fully supports 2nd Amendment rights, despite prior votes to limit assault weapons. Feels Democrats are taking the wrong approach regarding gun issue, but opposed the recent exemption from lawsuit protection. Since the earlier votes regarding assault weapons, he has become more educated about the issue and realizes that many of the Democrats have made mistakes in labeling guns that are used for hunting as assault weapons. He strongly feels that the Constitution defines gun ownership as an individual right and should not be infringed."

He's a 2A supporter! So he might not be bad at all.

Feingold is no friend of the 2A. He's has no more integrity than Bill Clinton who wets his finger to figure out which way the political wind is blowing. He has voted for several things in opposition to his party, but only when the issue was going to win or lose by an overwhelming majority anyhow.

 

[one-shot-one]

agree to disagree?

cbsbyte:if you really want the dems. back you do NOT want to rile up the conservitives into voting, once again for the lesser of two evils!

Manedwolf:"Sorry...I'm an American, damned patriotic, love my country, and happen to NOT believe that, thanks!"

oh well guess we won't count on your vote. i happen to be a christian, and not the tv evangalist type either. i go to a great church with a good preacher and some great men who hunt, fish and shoot. i unlike you donot find the need to separate my spritual life from my political life and would welcome some "Returning to the 17th century Puritan colonies".

i too am sorry but the only other party even in the hunt is libertarian and their drug views and border view just make me :banghead:

 

[NineseveN]

oh well guess we won't count on your vote. i happen to be a christian, and not the tv evangalist type either. i go to a great church with a good preacher and some great men who hunt, fish and shoot. i unlike you donot find the need to separate my spritual life from my political life and would welcome some "Returning to the 17th century Puritan colonies".

Then move to a country without the First Amendment and the notion of separation of church and state. See? Simple enough, no?

 

[RealGun]

what really irks me is that there is no mention of the other things that true conservatives are fed up with. How about the following?

1. No use of the veto on absolutely terrible legislation. McCain-Feingold, anyone? (For starters.....)

2. How about Harriet Myers?

3. Calling the Minutemen vigilantes, and commending illegal aliens for doing the work that "Americans won't do."

4. Not protecting our borders and enforcing that law.

1. Non-issue. Without a line item veto, A GOP president is not going to veto bills from a GOP majority Congress unless he wants to give up his remaining legislative agenda. It's about maintaining relationships. I blame Congress more than the President. It is academic if the Congress is likely to override a veto. The President is not the chief guardian of the Constitution. That is the job of the Supreme Court. They don't do it particularly well either, and they aren't running for office.

2. Harriet Myers was okay, but she scared the bejeebers out of the anti- abortionists. Bush can nominate who he wants, letting the Senate make it an issue of who they will or will not confirm. Note that they don't actually like ANY nominee.

3. Bush rightfully expressed a concern that informal patrol of the borders would amount to a band of vigilantes. It was a fair comment.

4. This is not actually true. Many additional agents have been added, something like 300-400. All that at a time when the fedgov is doing everything possibe to reduce the number of federal employees. This has been explained repeatedly by Bush and Chertoff. Expect that the numbers will be conservative, if a real solution would be thousands of agents swarming every of many hundreds of miles of the borders. No practical number is actually big enough for truly secure borders.

Be careful what you wish for, because a comprehensive border patrol and detainment program would require a significant tax increase. Disincentives for coming here are much cheaper. To me, the key piece of it all is the proof of legal status card and demanding that all persons within US borders be required to present it in many circumstances.

 

[Ivy Mike]

so, one-shot-one, will you be voting for the Constitution Party candidate next time around?

or will you take the time to realize that its OK for you to talk about your religious beliefs in politics as long as you keep it out of the government.

 

[30Cal]

I made up my mind to jump ship a couple months ago. The complete lack of fiscal accountability is just disgusting.

 

[xd9fan]

Dont tread on me, As long as there are voters like you that will still reward this joke of a party with another of your votes.......change will NEVER happen. Period. I'm not into the appeasement game.

You talk like a union member. The company could be sinking like the titanic but by God never change your course.

Political slavery by any other name.......

People still want to be free and to be inspired. Your way will not get us there. No offense.....

 

[longeyes]

There is no future for this Republic with either current political party. Our most realistic chance for preserving essential liberties is a reconstituted and probably smaller nation. Yes, I mean secession and the re-formation of the Republic. We can have a better America with half our present population, roughly about what we had at the beginning of WW II. Consider secession far-fetched? Not as far-fetched as believing that anything resembling the America of the Founding Fathers is going to survive another 25 years if present trends continue.

 

[RealGun]

I made up my mind to jump ship a couple months ago. - 30Cal

You didn't say to what panacea and how it will fulfill your dreams.

 

[Hook686]

Yesterday, 11:48 AM #17
outofbattery

wrote:

Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 468 I am no longer a registered Republican.They forgot why they got elected;it's time for them to take a time out and either rediscover limited government and fiscal responsibility or allow a 3rd party to replace them as an alternative to the Democrats.next Presidential vote.

hmmmm You don't suppose some of them spoke words they thought some of us wanted to hear, not realizing that what we were hearing is really not what they ment ?


Do you suppose ? Might explain why the 1994 failed, as the current agenda, which seems to also be failing ... "Words don't mean, people mean." .... might explain part of it. Personal agendas can be a real back breaker.

 

[GoRon]

You guys are right! We have to do everything we can to get the Republicans out of the White House. We want the Democrats to make the court appointments, that will help the cause of freedom!!

 

[xd9fan]

Off topic but,

So this is the only reason to vote for this pathetic GOP....court appointments??

If Congress contained a party with balls it would start checking the Courts. Instead Congress is weak and as a result the courts have limited, unchecked powers. Both the D's and the R's created this problem.

 

[CAnnoneer]

The train is steaming towards the precipice of a broken bridge to the future. Many of you guys essentially say "Jump off? At this speed? Are you crazy?" Keep pulling the brake handle. The cord has long been cut.

 

[woerm]

GOP and anti firearms

Dont' Tread:
You guys will regret not keeping the GOP in control. You will rue the day.

Strictly from a 2A perspective, we've had ZERO anti-gun bills pass while the GOP has been in control.

wrongo,

the reptiles passed and Geo the Duce signed the extension of the plastic weapons ban, which prohibits developement of non metalic weapons under fedreal penalties.

despite a 30 yr RFP that DOD has open for polymer weapons.

don't you believe the GOP bs about protecting 2nd ammnedment rights they cave a roll over for gun grabbers anytime. anywhere and for zero reasons.

don't think I didn't gripe at my misreptiles over that bs, I hollerd all day and it passed both the house and senate by 'consent' votes.

please note they won't find 'consent' votes to ditch gun control.

lying turds.

r

 

[telomerase]

This weekend the government is screwing me out of 30% of my pay

Only if you forget about all the other taxes, including the "counterfeiting tax" that sucks value out of your dollar whether you fill out income tax forms or not. If you work, you're probably losing 60% of your income to taxes.

Happy April 15th, everybody!

 

[telomerase]

>Strictly from a 2A perspective, we've had ZERO anti-gun bills pass while the GOP has been in control.

That's total BS; most of our "laws" don't come from Congress anyway, they come out of the Republican executive branch. One of the first things the Bush Administration did was to officially disarm the airline pilots, the July before 9-11. Even after 9-11, only about 50 pilots are allowed to carry, under convoluted rules that make them leave the gun when they go to the toilet.

Of course Democrats would be no better, but for the millions of free-enterprise supporters in this country to waste their money on the national Republican party is just brain-dead. Find a local candidate you can trust, OK; but sending money to Halliburton/Bush is nonsense.

Don't you feel naked enough in the airport yet?

 

[RealGun]

Strictly from a 2A perspective, we've had ZERO anti-gun bills pass while the GOP has been in control. - Don'tTreadOnMe

Trigger locks will ultimately prove to be anti-gun for those who don't get it. It was a totally unnecessary amendment that could have been prevented.

 

[seeker_two]

oh well guess we won't count on your vote. i happen to be a christian, and not the tv evangalist type either. i go to a great church with a good preacher and some great men who hunt, fish and shoot. i unlike you donot find the need to separate my spritual life from my political life and would welcome some "Returning to the 17th century Puritan colonies".

+1 from a fellow Christian CP-er...

Read the Federalist Papers and the writings of the Founding Fathers. Their own words show how important faith, morality, and their personal religions were to the foundation and governance of this nation. And history shows how things started going downhill when government took on a secular, humanistic focus--pushing out religion of ANY form.

Government without morality is doomed to failure...or did the last 16 years not show that well enough?

As for the rest, see my sig....

 

[Otherguy Overby]

beerslurpy

The proof that the country is mostly conservative:
-conservative talk radio is completely destroying liberal talk radio in terms of listenership
-fox news is beating CNN
-the liberal mainstream media outlets are diminishing in viewership
-the polls I have seen showed a 40-40-20 breakdown between right, center and left (self appraisal). People will fall in varying places depending on what questions you ask them.
-the legislature has gone conservative since 94, with only a slight interruption in the late 90s in the senate
-conservatives have prevented the election of Al Gore and John Kerry (though the lesser of two evils wasnt much less evil).

_______________

Let's start from the left...

20% hard core Marxists.

40% Bleeding heart liberals

and finally on the right

40% who mostly can't say no or make a tough decision.

Freedom has finally been reduced to your freedom to be a victim.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

We have to do everything we can to get the Republicans out of the White House.

No one has to lift a finger. The Republicans are doing a fine job of this all by themselves.

 

[longeyes]

the gangrening of America

When you have a gangrenous leg you can keep dancing until you die or you can amputate.

 

[one-shot-one]

$0.02

NineseveN: sorry but the first admend. works for me just like you and the separation of church and state was intended to keep the "state" from messing with the church not the other way around, sorry not so simple huh?

Clean97GTI:sorry but a real christian cannot/should not compartmentalize their life like that.

both these comments and the ones i made just go to show how fractured this country is, most of us here can agree on gun issues sometimes but if you vote on more than one issue we are just as partitioned as eveyone else!

oh by the way before ya'll try to lable me, i'm not a christian conservitive, i think i'm really a facist, because i really don't think anyone but me has it right .

p.s. thanks seeker_two for the support .

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

Trigger locks will ultimately prove to be anti-gun for those who don't get it. It was a totally unnecessary amendment that could have been prevented.

The trigger lock amendment was in no way anti-gun as the amendment did not require their use. You're arguing that the trigger lock amendment will eventually lead to their use being mandated. This is possible. It can be viewed as gateway legislation.

But what was passed under the GOP Congress and Bush was NOT anti-gun in and of itself. Virtually all handguns sold today are sold with a lock regardless of the law.

If that is the best gripe a person can come up with against Bush and the GOP Congress, then I consider that pretty good.

the reptiles passed and Geo the Duce signed the extension of the plastic weapons ban, which prohibits developement of non metalic weapons under fedreal penalties.

Oh my! No plastic guns for you and I. We should have ousted Bush and Co. in 2004 over that and had John Kerry in power instead. He'd be so much better for our greater RKBA! I mean, if Kerry or Gore were in, they'd let the plastic gun ban expire

That's total BS; most of our "laws" don't come from Congress anyway, they come out of the Republican executive branch. One of the first things the Bush Administration did was to officially disarm the airline pilots, the July before 9-11. Even after 9-11, only about 50 pilots are allowed to carry, under convoluted rules that make them leave the gun when they go to the toilet.

Well, for starters, can you provide a citation for that?

The reality is, even after the Congressional armed pilots legislation passed, the FAA and Executive branch have worked really hard to suppress and deny the armed pilot program. Even today it is a joke.

I don't agree with that action, but to wield that as a battle cry against Bush or the GOP as being anti-gun is a stretch. It's like complaining about Bush restricting Cop Carry (LE national concealed carry). Doesn't really make a difference to us.


Guys, do we really need to discuss what Gore or Kerry would have done? Do we really need to discuss what a Democratic congress would have done? These complaints against the GOP or Bush are, no offense, extremist in my opinion. You guys are being extremists. Look, I am a 2nd Amendment purist. I would like to see ZERO restrictions or regulations on firearms. However, I cannot be so idealistic that I demand to apply this "view" of the Right to our current political climate. It's a pipe dream. Instead, one needs to be more of a pragmatist, and work in incremental steps towards that idealistic goal. Just like the anti-gunners have been incrementalists, so should we - until we can have a cultural impact (hearts and minds). Then we can go for the jugular.

If you maintain such a "picky" attitude towards our political allies, you will get absolutely no where with the RKBA. Instead, it will be threatened even more.