Stop Shooting Dogs!

[MCgunner]

I killed three hogs in a trap the other day with a .38 snub. There were no lives at stake, but the pork steaks are good. If it keeps up in this country, the cry baby animal rights crowd will have this a felony, too. You won't be able to eat the rabbit, just the rabbit food, if they get their way, ultimately. That is the agenda, never forget that. It is political and their whole argument is based on emotion, not logic, as always. Personally, I hate tofu...

 

[bogie]

Oh yeah... I've _also_ run up against a dog pack... In midtown St. Louis. Freaky as hell, about 2:00 in the morning coming back from work... I noticed one out of the corner of my eye, turned around, and the dang things were stalking me... Pocketknife came out and I maintained eye contact and figured I'd gut at least one or two before they got me, and backed about a half a block to my apartment building's front door.

If I'd had a gun on me (pre-ccw days), it would have been out...

 

[XavierBreath]

I think the issue here is not one of shooting dogs.

The issue is killing human beings who are trying to coax the said critter from your property.

Rule Four: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

It is not uncommon for a person to claim a ricochet in an attempt to reduce liability after firing a handgun. It's just like saying "It just went off!" or "I didn't know it was loaded!"

357 magnum rounds tend to penetrate dirt. They also tend to penetrate plastic fences.

Every bullet fired from your gun has a lawyer attached to it.

If this thread turns nasty, it will be closed.

It's getting to where shooting at dogs might be added to the list of instantly closed subjects. That would be a shame.

 

[sixgunner455]

Good grief. My neighbor has two shih tzus. The littler one was getting out of the back yard for a while, till he fixed the little tiny gap at the bottom of the fence. Friendly, sorta cute little buggers, never a problem to go pick him up and deliver him back to daddy at the front door.

I might be convinced to shoot a rabid shih tzu, but I can barely conceive of a situation that would get one rabid.

I would not shoot at one sniffing around in my yard from inside my house, certainly not while his owner was trying to corral him. This is just sick.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

i've come very close to shooting a dog (and so has my dad). we had a naighbor who let her two extreamly aggressive pits run lose and they had a history of attacking our dogs, the naighbors dogs and, once, trap the naighbors kid inside her house (it was tring to eat the little girl through the screen door).
there are a couple of reasons to shoot a dog, and they usually involve a dog attacking someone (human or animal). the shih tzu should not have been shot at in the first place and i hope that women stays in jail for a good while.
as for shih tzu being dangorous... well... i work with dogs and i will say that those little suckers have teeth and those teeth do hurt. however, their size makes them quite easy to manhandle, and a towel (so they can bite that instead of you) works wonders *grin*

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Now, I have absolutely no problem with people shooting feral cats! Does that make me a knuckle dragger? The cat was killing wildlife.

Justed wanted to point out/ask something...

Wouldn't a feral cat be wildlife? It's one wild animal killing an eating another wild animal. That's the way the world works. Seems to me the birdwatch should have sat back and let nature do it's thing.

 

[sm]

XB wrote:
It's getting to where shooting at dogs might be added to the list of instantly closed subjects. That would be a shame.

It already is a shame.
Current Mindset :

Pro Gun-
EVERYTHING is Cured by a Firearm in today's world, and on THR.

Anti Gun-
Firearms cause ALL of Societies Evils.

I am on record for wanting to add to instantly closed subjects "What Gun For____".

Then again WE are supposed to be Matriculating new folks as responsible firearm owners.

According to THR misson statements anyway.

El Tejon is an attorney, for those that do not know. One that happens to be Pro Gun, takes training, assists with training others and other responsible firearm owner behaviors.

Problem 2 is real. He deals with it everyday.

Teh Intraweb knows more about Problem 2 than someone that deals with it everyday?

Pat Rogers was informed by Teh Itraweb he did not know squat about ARs and carbine use.

Internet is Global, we have THR members all over the world, by the same token we have those from all over the world reading THR, and some are not Gun Friendly folks.

Look at them Americans. Texas Law applies to everything, shooting dawgs, cats, someone looks at your vehicle funny, does not serve your coffee hot, messes up your fast food order, farts in public, waves at you, does not wave at you...and you do not even have to live in Texas, just it seems Texas Law applies everywhere

No wonder folks abroad make fun of Americans, Anti's pull posts off Internet and use against us, and Fence Sitters "sit" as they don't know what to do!

Tell ya what; El Tejon needs to get his nephews some more ammunition.
I do not want some breathing my air.

Pop a dawg, El Tejon can use the money, and I don't have to deal with you around me.

That work?

It should, because you too can have your 15 minutes of fame and have your case posted on teh Intraweb.

WE can use that to matriculate those that do want to be responsible firearm owners.


One learns by mistakes- less expensive and painful if those mistakes are those of others.

 

[Millwright]

Never heard of that sort of goofy law in AK, but been a while since I've been there. Suspect more NS, though.

If your pet pride poochie gets into someone's sheep, kills some and gets shot, you'll not only lose the dog but have to pay for the sheep.....IOW you're responsible for damages caused by your livestock or pets....

While feral dog packs are less common than of yore, they still exist in some areas and shooting them is both legal and, IMO, sensible. IME not uncommon for someone's pet to run with those packs. Also foolish to shoot a dog not posing a threat, too......If only because most folks view fido as a 'member of the family' and a lot of henna-haired mavens have far more time/money to incite the community against you than you have resources to confound. >MW

 

[bluestarlizzard]

technically a feral animal is not the same as natural wildlife. feral animals can be very dangorouse (especially dogs and pigs) and feral cats do cause a lot of havok with wild bird populations. however that particular case should have been handled by animal control, not some idiot bird watcher.

 

[XLMiguel]

Wow. What a sad, sorry, sick story. Based on the available information, the woman shooter was grossly negligent and deserves to pay dearly.

While I'm sure the anti's will blame the gun, it is imperative that the blame be placed where it belongs - on criminally negligent idiot that decided to toss a round out the back window without properly identifying the target and whats beyond.

 

[1911Tuner]

IME not uncommon for someone's pet to run with those packs.

For sure...and they don't have to be feral in order to do serious damage. We just had a bout locally with a pack of free-roaming pet dogs. Good dogs every one...until they decided to revert back to full-fledged pack mentality
during a normal outing. They killed 13 goats...a cow...did 2,000 dollars worth of damage to a quarterhorse at the stables just down the road...killed several pet cats...and a pregnant dog. Ripped the pups out of her and left'em. Awful.

Along about that time, my goofy Redtick got loose...again...despite my best efforts to keep her in check. She normally runs around visiting for a few hours and comes home when it starts to get dark and hungry for her supper. A good dog and overly friendly, if nothing else.

Just a big, ol' pet.

That day...it was different. I watched her gallop off to explore parts unknown...ignoring my calls...as usual. So, I decided to be patient and wait for her to come home. No sense in chasin' after her. She'll run blindly where rabbits fear to tread. About an hour after she lit out, I heard a single rifle shot about a half-mile away...right about where the man keeps what's left of his goat herd. I wondered...

Guess I was right. She never came home. I know that she wouldn't have hurt his goats...and she knew that she wouldn't hurt his goats...but the man who owned the goats didn't. I didn't even ask. Shoot/Shovel/Shut Up is in full effect here in Central Davidson County. I miss her.

 

[sm]

1911Tuner,

You speak true again!

Still YOU know about backstops, dawgs, critters , behaviors, habitat, and how to shoot, and other responsible firearm ownership qualities.

You are informed, have Investigated and Verified for yourself - not taken for granted teh Intraweb and its messages.

In the city, I have tossed a Honey Bun, to get a stray dawg to leave an area.
Situation handled, and later Animal Control came out and took the dawg into a shelter, now someone's pet.

Little feller just hungry, just dumped off, and wanted attention and just reverted to basic instincts...

 

[TallPine]

I think the issue here is not one of shooting dogs.

The issue is the original poster taking one criminally stupid and tragic event and blanketly applying it to everyone who ever shot stray dogs or coyotes or other vermin to protect their property.

If you move out here and build your dream home in the pines and let your dog run all over the place, you have been warned that one day it will not come home. It's not me that will shoot every stray dog, it's my rancher neighbors that have a livelihood to protect.

 

[XavierBreath]

OK, I have taken the time to blog on this. There are some facts that seem to be over looked, even on this otherwise rational forum.

Nicole Stroud was in her grandmother's back yard, behind a plastic fence.

357 magnum bullets do not ricochet off the ground. They penetrate plastic fences just like they penetrate human bodies. The cartridge was designed to do so.

Neighbors claim Melinda Lindauer had a history of firing her handgun in her neighborhood.

Shih Tzu dogs are not the evil rabbit with sharp pointy teeth guarding the cave of Caerbannog. The animal was not a threat unless you consider Shih Tzu poop to be lethal land mines.

Melinda Lindauer was charged with involuntary manslaughter and reckless homicide.

This was a bad shooting by a reckless individual. It is not defensible in any rational manner.

This was an appropriate arrest, and hopefully it will be an appropriate conviction.

Let's stay on point. This is a public forum, accessible to anyone. The issue is about firearms safety and accepting personal responsibility. Melinda Lindauer deserves our scorn, not a bunch of folks on the internet trying to justify her killing of Nicole Stroud.

 

[Master Blaster]

I dont know about the country, since I live in the burbs.
I do know that there are many complete idiots who go out and buy the bigest most dangerous dog they can find, fail to train or properly control it, confine it in a tiny yard and then act angry and surprised when it escapes and attacks somone walking a dog on a leash as the law around here requires.

I had this happen to me three times now. All at the same house. The first time it was a 120lb rotweiler that cleared a 4 foot fence and charged across the street after me and my dog.

The second was a couple months later when it charged out the front door.
The owner assured me he would keep her under control after that.
I didnt shoot the dog even though I was carring at the time, in fact I didn't even pull my firearm, and the owner was unaware I had a loaded G26.
I was able both times to back the dog off by yelling at it, and when it came too close to my dog wacking it in the head with my asp batton. Amazing how hard a rotweiller's head is, I hit it 4 times with all my might, hard enough to break a cinder block, and it hardly noticed till the 4th blow.

A year after these two incidents doggie bit a cyclist not as skilled as me in large dog conflict resolution, or canine psychology, and they had to get rid of her.

They now have two great danes, and yes they are still complete idiots. I avoid walking my dog anywhere near their house, because I am afraid I will be forced to shoot their stupid dogs to protect my litle dog, or my children.

The lady in this story is an idiot we are talking about a 4lb dust mop that is no danger to anyone, a super soaker would have been more than enough to do the job. I suspect she shot the neighbor on purpose.

 

[Justin]

This?

Again?!