Stop the traitor!

[JitsuGuy]

John Ashcroft is a liar in business with the globalists to destroy America.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Thank you, RJ. You've stated my point of view perfectly. Indeed, since I believe that Jose Padilla should be allowed a lawyer, communications with the outside world, and a fair trial, I think it should be fairly obvious to everyone that I agree with him and consider him a friend.

People who believe in feel-good liberal junk like fair and speedy trials, lawyers, evidence and due process make me sick!

 

[Orthonym]

Oh, ah, not to be cool and mellow or anything, but:

Good point, a few posts back, about the "Roscoe Conkling" interpretation of the 14th amendment! BAD side effect! Talk about unintended consequences! A corporation is so obviously NOT a person, but a creature of the State!

 

[Erik]

The AG is a man who, despite setting forth stategies I believe are best left alone, is responding to the fluid, uncharted terrotories of a post-9/11 landscape the best he can.

All in all, he is doing admirably in a position and time most cannot fathom.

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Where is the criticism of the Legislative and Judicial Branches?

 

[rock jock]

Sorry, Don. A little tongue-in-cheek humor. I guess I react that way when folks start dismissively referring to the mass murder of 2,000 people as nothing more than a very large traffic accident.

 

[KC]

First, it was closer to 3000
Second, I was not suggesting that you dismiss the attack as nothing more than a large traffice accident. Only that you keep in mind that it produced about the same number of casualities as one month on America's roads.
Third, my point was that the US, public and government is grossly overreacting (and usually not in a productive fashion) to the situation given what happened, and how to prevent another attack.

 

[Dorrin79]

Ashcroft is pretty terrible,

So is Norm "Idiot" Mineta.

so is...

oh wait - so is the Whole Stupid Government.

Everyone acts so surprised... like government can be anything but stupid and evil. Just because the not-quite-as-bad side (Repubs) are in office instead of the a-little-bit-worse side (the Dims) doesn't mean the State won't continue to erode our rights and rob us of our production.



:banghead:


I'm surprised to see partisanship defending Ashcroft here. If the much-maligned Clintons were proposing half of what is in the Patriot Act you all would be talking about the need for armed revolt.

(that's not to say anything nice about clinton, who deserved most of what was thrown at him. I just think it's telling when people engage in "ok for me, but not for thee" arguments)

Sorry if I've stepped on anyones' toes.

 

[rock jock]

Third, my point was that the US, public and government is grossly overreacting (and usually not in a productive fashion) to the situation given what happened, and how to prevent another attack.

Its not just the deaths of 3,000 people. It was the fact that it was an act of war, that it resulted in the destruction of a national landmark and major damage to our national defence HQ, that it struck at the heart of our dominance as a nation, that it resulted in a huge economic blow to the country, that it signalled that our country is no longer safe within our borders, that there are people out there who will stop at nothing to annihilate us. Now, if you want to sit back comfortably, yawn, look at 9/11 and shrug your shoulders, that's up to you. As for me, I'm tired of hearing armchair "experts" who claim that 9/11 was an isolated event, that there is no real terrorist presence in the U.S., that we don't face any real threat, that terrorists can't possibly acquire WMD. If and when we get hit again, what will your reaction be?

 

[KC]

Yes, it was an act of war. Yes, lives were lost. Yes, there was an economic interruption. None of this embodies the point I am trying to make.

Has the TSA prevented the hijacking of a SINGLE airliner by rummaging thru peoples luggage, confiscating fingernail clippers, and generally abusing their position?

Have you been made one iota safer in the objective sense by the combination of several smaller federal agencies into the monolithic Ministry of Internal Security? (Zulu's in Apartheid South Africa have legal homelands; why do we?)

How has the so-called Patriot Act or its twisted cousin, made this country any safer from terrorists? How has it endangered you liberty?

How has anything the federal government done, vis a vis the 9/11 attacks, made any actual improvement in your life?

 

[Quartus]

If the much-maligned Clintons were proposing half of what is in the Patriot Act you all would be talking about the need for armed revolt.

Bingo.


Which makes THIS administration more dangerous than Clinton's was.


Of course, with the tools Bush and Ashcroft have forged for them, the NEXT Clinton regime will make the first one look like nirvana.

 

[KC]

"Of course, with the tools Bush and Ashcroft have forged for them, the NEXT Clinton regime will make the first one look like nirvana."

Or foster another civil war.