I don't even know why I respond to the C-WARS
Quote: Lonestar49, why would we compare unexpanded jhp sizes? Shouldn't we look at expanded rounds which will be very similar in size and penetration depth? If a picture is worth a million words though and we want to look at unexpanded rounds I guess we can.
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As I said, and both unexpanded bullet a/o color pic's clearly show, a min 1/8" difference (to start) along with what I have seen of LEO's that "can use" and prefer the 45 caliber over 9mm, bar none. As, IF I had to stand behind a corner, wall, or car door, and have someone firing at me, I'd hope they were firing 9mm JHP than "any" 45 caliber JHP, both, as far as penetration values, and from "the best", meaning, those SWAT officers that have shown me both calibers, and their real spreads that actually hit human flesh, not jello, and heard their repeated reports of how the 45 has what they deem, man-stopping-punch, vs any 9mm they have seen in "the field"..
But, please, don't take my word or pics (in humor) above, as the Holy Grail of Bullets and calibers, but "I do" take their, "in the field" actual results, word, of the better caliber.
And as I said, and it shows in your pic and my above copied pic from Texagun, that a min of 1/8", just to start, bigger in size can, and does, in many real cases of flesh hits, where a 45 JHP will expand a full 1/4" more than any 9mm and that little extra spread can, and does, make a big difference when one is min 1/8" off a perfect shot at an organ, or main arrty, etc.
But, I shoot and carry 9mm's as well when the condition calls for it over a 45 cal gun of mine and I trust either caliber with the right shot placement, will do the job. But real flesh hits by those that, are paid, train, full-time, are Expert Marksman and to carry out such deeds, when it comes to actual use, call for 45cal over 40cal, or 9mm, along with most, use 1911's..
Old school, old wars, old guns, still work best for those that are the best and I respect those that I know, personally, and value their expertise on this matter.. But I'll just laugh with you, not at you, at this repeated thread of what is better and leave it to all those that have the answers.. ~
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And lean heavily in favor of an extra 1/8" to start with any 45 along with it's ability to penetrate, thru "weight and inertia" more wood, more wall, more car doors, etc., and when it hits flesh it packs more punch, and spread, than any 9mm.
Here's a spread, you can measure the difference.. Using the right gray edge of the box, all bullets being centered, as you see them, which caliber do you see hitting the edge first with all bullets moved equally, and using the first to strike, the edge, letting the edge be a main arrty, major organ, main/major nerve?
And which are still "just missing"..? One, far more than the other, that will hit first, by just 1/8"-1/4" which could be the, and mean a, big difference.
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