Stray Cats - Can I, should I shoot them?

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Thanks Mr. Mysterious my friend, for you are a well
educated man! :D

I got a a quick question for my friend John..............

John with all due respect, in regards to your opinion
of retired LEO's; do you feel the same way about
convicted felons? In other words, do you think that an
ex-con is really not a convicted person at all? Looks
too me like the same reasoning would apply?

Well I'm here to tell ya' friend, I've put my share
behind bar's, and even some I helped get on DR.
But to me, a convict is a convict; and there is no
way of making anything else out of it!

If you think otherwise, I wouldn't want YOU watching
my six! :uhoh: :rolleyes: :(

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member
 
Ala Dan and other retired LEOs

You're retired and anything you do must be within the bounds of a normal citizen. If you don't like it, go back to being a LEO. If you really want to make a citizen's arrest, at least read the actual laws before attempting to do so.

I am the only person who would question the intelligence of someone who would attempt to make a citizen's arrest of a person who just shot an animal? The person is obviously armed and you're planning on apprehending him? For your sake I hope he's using an airgun.
 
Russ-- I used to live in your neighborhood or somewhere nearby (Oldham Co). Feral cats weren't too much of a problem--I think we were too far of a drive from Bardstown Rd.

We did have a problem with feral dogs--mean f$@kers that would run deer to death for kicks, kill sheep and chickens etc. Three of them surrounded my brother once and he had to shoot his way out of the situation. We lost a dog to a pack of wild dogs once as well.


This is my take on feral animals in the rural setting:
You are the custodian of the land and the animals that live on it. You have a responsibility to protect your own animals from disease and attack. For the lack of natural predators, you now wear the hat of "The Great Equalizer." You can either do the job that needs to be done yourself or have someone else do it. But either way, it needs to be done.

FWIW, I now live in a semi-rural part of the SF Bay Area, and I probably kill 2-3 feral cats a year with my .22LR. I try to be "discrete" about it though and generally do my work on my off Friday's when the neighbors are workin.

Ty
 
I started this thread almost a year ago! I don't know how you guys found it still. Anyway, all advice is appreciated.

I shot at said strays with my 45 pistol. I missed but they never came back so I guess my purpose was accomplished. Maybe it scared them to death!

Russ
 
Hey Folk's-

I think you guy's missed the whole point of my text? In
the headline of the thread as posted by Russ, I think
(or I took the post) as if to ask if the killing of cats
(dosmetic healthy types) was legal? I simply responded
as to the laws in Alabama; and what one may face
if he/she decides to do so. Also, my reply to charges
being brought ONLY applied if the perpertrator is in the
process of killing my animals, on my property; nothing
else was expressed or implied.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
While feral cats won't normally attack a human, they have no problem attacking house cats.
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Is this something really appropriate to "The High Road"...sheesh...

If you have to justify stuff like this to yourself, do you really think it's something that deserves this much attention...You're talkin' about 'em like they're mountain lions for _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ...
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Ala Dan: many thanks for the good will my friend.
I missed the point of your first post, apparently. Anyone shooting animals on my property without my permission definitely deserve what they get. On that we can agree %100. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
You know, trapping may be more productive than shooting.

If using the "have-a-heart" live traps, just drop it into a rainbarrel. The critter will drown and then you can bury it.
 
Killing anything for the sake of killing, or killing when it is necessary but doing it in a torturous manner is a sign of, poor upbringing and at the very least a sign of possible mental defectiveness.
If any animal is a true threat to you or your's by all means defend your property. But killing just because your neighbors harmless pet happens to be on your property without at least talking to your neighbor about the problem is a socialpathic , psycopathic action that should be dealt with accordingly.

In other words any body that gets their jollies by killing or to prove that they are a superior being is a sick pathetic POS
 
Are you asking if a convict retains the privileges and special responsibilities of his profession after he is declared an "ex-con"?

Or, are you asking if declaring a person to be an "ex-con" somehow changes him?

Or, are you implying that the "ex-con" and the "ex-LEO" are both somehow INTRINSICALLY different from the average citizen.

Being an LEO, or being a convict are both choices one makes. There is no INTRINSIC difference between and LEO and the man on the street. There is no INTRINSIC difference between an ex-con and Joe Public. The idea that you could somehow define or identify a criminal or potential criminal by their intrinsic characteristics was abandoned years ago.

LEO's have special responsibilities and privileges as a result of their profession. When they leave that profession, they leave most, if not all of those responsibilities and privileges behind. In some cases, retired LEO's retain some special rights, in that case, the law should provide them with appropriate and unambiguous identification to insure that there are no misunderstandings.

In the absence of such identification, I will not be taken into custody by anyone if I have the means to resist. Are you suggesting that I should immediately allow myself to be taken prisoner to anyone who tells me that they're a retired LEO? Or even if they tell me that they're a current LEO and have no identification to back their claim?
 
JohnKSa My Friend-

I don't think any current or former LEO in their right
state of mind would try to apprehend anyone W/O
proper authority; and yes, this does include identification
as such. When a LEO leaves his/her department in good
standing, this is pretty much automatic. From a personal
standpoint, I don't condone retired LEO's going around
flashing a badge, and declaring himself/herself Mr. or
Mrs. God's Gift To Police. Far from it, as a matter of fact
I only speak of some of my experience's when someone
ask.

When I first started, I started as a volunteer; or reserve
deputy with with hometown sheriff's department. No
money, no glory (and I didn't want any); plus I had to
buy my own uniforms and equipment, except for the
star, the hat shield, and the ID card. All I really wanted
was the experience; and hard work payed off. I missed
a large portion of my childs "childhood" cuz I was too
caught up in being a good cop (if you will? We hate
that word, but I will use it here solely for the purpose
of expression). But, it had its dividend's. Shortly, there
after the State Of Alabama opened a maximum security
prison not far from my house. I was one of 36, in the
first class assigned to this prison. Again, I worked this
and used it as a stepping stone to bigger and better
thing's. The last 2-1/2 years there, I spent working on
Death Row. It's an experience I will never forget! I was
an original member of the state's RAT team; which is
The Riot Arrest (Swat) Team. After 5-1/2 years of
continous service, I took a written test and was quite
fortunate to get hired by a "major" upscale police
department in the Birmingham area. I worked there
until my retirement in May of 1997, as a member in
good standing with full benefits!

My feeling's on convict's in general is this. There is
NO SUCH THING as rehabilitation! Too many times I've
overheard these J-birds planning their next move upon
release (or escape) which ever came first. Most wanted
to rape, rob, or kill someone or somebody; and it really
didn't matter who it was. Within my own extended
family, I have to deal with a 30 year old drug addict
whose ambition is to kill a police officer (current or
retired). I have help put this character away many,
many times; but the state keeps releasing him time
after time. I truly expect one day that he is going to
try me; and I'd best be on top of my game!

Respectfully,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Loose animals are dealt with on our land be it by firearms or poison if the problem persist. Many people who move out do not realize the way things are handled outside of city limits.

City People's Guide to Country Living would be a great mailbox gift for your new neighbor who just doesn't get it.

Now if they had a Country People's guide for City Living my neighbors wouldn't look at me so funny.
 
Ala Dan
My feeling's on convict's in general is this. There is NO SUCH THING as rehabilitation!
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There are an awful lot of people who actually studied the subject would disagree with you. But since you believe that rehabilitation doesn't exist, should we just execute anyone convicted of a crime?

joab
If a neighbor's pet is on someone else's property, it's most likely doing some kind of damage (whether it's immediately noticed or not). In addition, the potential for the animal injuring someone is present; as well as spreading disease and producing more strays. And in some areas it may not be possible to inform the owner that their pet will be killed if it comes back onto one's property. I'm not sure about dogs, but it's common for a cat to roam over an area with a one mile radius. Of course, when mating this area is enlarged greatly.

Roaming animals might be someone's pet, but they're a pest for others and a danger to the natural environment. If a person actually cared about his pet, he'd ensure that it stayed on his property.
 
High power .22 ammo

Agular (sp?) is a mexican ammo company that makes a ultra high velocity round. Delivers about 200 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle, which is almost twice normal. I've put them through my .22 pistol and it actually has a little recoil! In a .22. Go figure.

If I were looking to put down a large cat with a .22 that is the round I would use.

Don
 
Greeting's Cannibal My Friend-

The punishment ought to fit the crime; or an eye for
an eye, and a tooth for a tooth! If one committs a
violent act* during multiple class A felony's; then he
and/or she should pay for it with their life.

Individual crimes should be dealth with approiately;
a single class A felony should range from twenty to
life; with the minimum being 15 years, and NO good
time! In other words, convicts should get credit day
for day.

*FootNote: resulting in the death of the victim(s)

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Joab--

I don't know about your experience, but I can tell you without doubt that those cute little chipmunks WILL screw up your house's foundation drainage system and/or your nice concrete slab porch.

This can cost serious money--and in the case of the foundation drains, can have serious side effects.

Once the chipmunk decides my window-well is its new home, he finds himself at the center of my red-dot sight on the .22 pistol--and next he finds himself visiting chipmunk paradise.

It ain't for fun, it ain't for 'superiority.' It's protecting a large investment.
 
Matt Payne,

A year later and you are giving me a hard time? What does spaying and neutering my cats have to do with feral cats roaming my property?

My cats are spayed and neutered and they have licenses and collars with name tags. I know all of my neighbors and their animals. They know mine as well. My neighbors were having the same problems. Actually, I spoke to the Sherriff in addition to the Vet and he told me to do the same thing. If you had really bothered to read the YEAR OLD post you may have guessed I was not excited about having to shoot anything. I don't enjoy killing spiders let alone cats.

cxm,

About Poodles, you obvoiusly don't follow YEAR OLD CURRENT EVENTS. You may recall a year or more ago, a road rage nut confronted a woman who had cut him off and threw her Poodle or other small dog into traffic in San Jose CA. I come from CA so I followed it. It was a comment on that outrage. A larger reward was raised to find that guy than is ever raised to find an abducted child. I like Poodles. I had one for many years and a smarter dog you will not find. You need to read up on current events so as to be able to put certain comments in context.

Moderators, please close this after a year.
 
OK folks, its time to give Russ a break! I came down
pretty hard on him myself; but I was merely trying
to draw thoughts and opinions of others. My friends
Balog and Cannibal Crowley responded;
and we have since settled our differences. I hope
the same is the case with our other bud, JohnKSa ?
No harm, and No foul - we will all live for tommorrow!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I give up. If any of you LEO types want to come and arrest me for a Class XXXXX felony come and bite me. Send me and E mail me and I will tell you where to come and get me if you can. To those of you who think I would kill another person's pet, you are severely brain damaged. A feral cat or dog is not a pet. Anyway, never hurt one. Why this thread got resurrected after a freaking year, you got me.
 
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