Subcompact 1911s: Ugly or Cool?

Subcompact 1911s

  • Ugly

    Votes: 26 25.7%
  • Cool

    Votes: 75 74.3%

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Dear THR:
What is your verdict on subcompact 1911s. Are they ugly or cool? I never got used them or even got to the point to fairly considering to buy one. I know lots of guys out there have 'em. Whats your take?

Thank you
 
Some are ugly some look OK to even spiffy - function is something different (& IMO more important). Seems same goes for that too.

I really consider these as border-line, non-1911's. Especially chambered in shorter OAL cartridges like 9mm & .40S&W. If I wanted one of these variants, I'd probably look hard at the EMP...were it not for the exclusivity of parts!

So, CCO-size is as small as I'll go.

Funnel
 
They tend to lose reliability when you go much beyond the Commander length slide. The geometry changes too much. That's a much more important consideration than "cool," or "ugly."
 
My experience with two subcompact M1911s has been with a Colt Officers Model and a Colt New Agent. Both have been extremely reliable with no problems to report and have decent enough accuracy for the job at hand. I like their reduced dimensions since I'm already a big fan of the Commander/Combat Commander size guns.
 
My carry .45 is a plain jane RIA Officer's style pistol. It had reliability issues at first, but that was less about the design and more to do with a bad slide stop.

I think they look pretty cool with their bull barrel and functional sweeping lines. The full size 1911 is iconic, but I'm kind of partial to the look of the subcompact.
 
"Ugly or cool?" Sound like criteria a 13 year old would consider when buying a gun. If those are the two factors you are using to make your decision, get an airsoft gun.
 
When I bought mine it was my first subcompact and it was accurate and relatively reliable. Today I would have saved my money. I would not bet my life on a sub compact 1911 so I guess that would mean they aren't cool.
 
"Ugly or cool?" Sound like criteria a 13 year old would consider when buying a gun. If those are the two factors you are using to make your decision, get an airsoft gun.
Yea ok. I still won't buy something ugly.
 
What is or is not cool is a very subjective call. If weight is not a factor then a commander sized 1911 would be fine.

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I personally find them a bit of a pain to carry around all day because of the weight. However there are other alternatives that work just as well and still provide the 45 ACP power. I find the one below a pleasure to shoot and carry.

Jim

Bersa Thunder 45 Ultra Compact Pro.

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The Bersa is a good example - is it a 1911? Being .45 doesn't automatically make the design "1911" in looks, just function.

1911's have that look because of the long flat sides on the slide, the proportion between the slide and grip, the locations at the rear, the controls, the rounded trigger guard. That Bersa might handle and shoot like a 1911, take the same ammo, but it doesn't look at all like one.

Same for the SIG P938 - it's a bit closer, but again, the cuts on the slide diminish the look. The grip is out of proportion to the slide, too. Overall, you can see it's derived from the 1911, but it has more of a older Colt auto look, primarily from the trigger.

Since caliber doesn't have anything to do with it looking like a 1911, the real issue is whether the downscaled version has the same proportioning left after all the monkey work is done.

It's the same for other guns, too, their are a lot of chopped versions of the HiPower out, it's just hard to see it. The slide stops right at the end of the barrel shroud, the butt is chopped to the point any curve in it is eliminated. There are some significant appearance clues left on the workbench next to the virtual hacksaw when that happens. It makes what is left that much more important in achieving the 1911 look. Mess with the spacing and looks of the controls, it's diminished even more.

No different than putting a '66 Mustang body kit on a Miata. Park one beside the other and it gets easy to see the differences. Chop half the hood off, shorten the trunk, and things become even more evident. Certain key items must remain unchanged to keep the connection to looking like a 1911.

As for "cool," that is highly subjective. One man's cool is another's fad junk. It's all in the perspective and how informed it might be.
 
I voted cool. I think the 1911 style hand gun, short or long barrel, is one of the most aesthetically pleasing firearms.
 
And yet you need our help to decide whether it's ugly?

Does he?...or is he merely asking what others think?...hmmm...there is a difference.
 
A 3" barreled with full sized frame looks weird to me. An Officer frame with 3.5" or 4.25" barrel looks great.
 
Ugly...but cool if you get one that runs right. I have a buddy with a Sig 1911, don't know the model but it's Officer's size. That little sucker is snappy to shoot but he's put at least 2,000 rounds downrange with it while in my presence and the only time I've ever seen it hang up was withe some REALLY terrible ammo I had laying around (lead semi-wadcutter, I think my dad loaded them for a .45 ACP revolver). But nothing I could find would feed that ammo.
 
1911's UGLY?? I think not.

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Prefer Commander or Governement size, but I think the itty-bitty ones look neat. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on a CCO size yet, but I think that'd be about ideal for me.
 
I have only a sampling of one sub compact so I can't make quite as bold a statement as Pincus but I know my Ultra is for sale and I will never trust my life to sub compact 1911. I'm sure he has seen his share to make that guarantee.
I have seen enough 1911's of all sizes and brands to know that I hope the day never comes when i have to just pick one up and hope it works.
 
I would say from a strictly esthetic standpoint they are ugly (or rather they just don't look proportioned correctly). However from a usefulness standpoint I think they are very cool.
 
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