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Sun Times article on Possible Illinois Carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by shotgunjoel, Mar 11, 2011.

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  1. shotgunjoel

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    The article is long in getting to the point, here's the important part. They claim that CCW would only pass to get people to stop crying about it, seems we've been doing a good job then after all. I like how they have to explain the political differences between Chicago and the rest of Illinois to their readers.....

    Here's the link if you want to read the whole thing.
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/4242418-418/dems-may-approve-concealed-carry-to-throw-gop-a-bone.html
     
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  2. MarkDido

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    Shame that they're not "screaming for the bill" because it's the right thing to do.
     
  3. shotgunjoel

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    Yeah, but at least they are listening to their constituents.
     
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    Oh, so that's how they view the will of the peons...I mean people. What do those lowly peasants think, that they live in a republic or something?
     
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    CCW should pass here in IL because it's the will of the majority of the people, not because the Chicago politicians take pity on the rest of the state and finally let something through to shut them up. This article speaks volumes on the arrogant attitude of Chicago...and what we central and southern IL people have been putting up with for far too long.

    What's amazing in that article is how the journalist demonstrates that Illinois has been at the forefront of some great legislative movements - but doesn't mention that we're WAY behind the rest of the nation for concealed carry - as in, we have been left in the dust.
     
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    I was at IGOLD in Springfield yesterday and was very impressed with the number of Chicago people in attendance and fired up. I honestly think we're seeing a shift in the tidal forces of Chicago politics. I thank Otis McDonald for much of that.
     
  7. Vern Humphrey

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    Wow! You mean the Illinois legislature may actually do what the people want them to do?
     
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    The problem is, and always has been, Chicago. State senate president, speaker ot house, governor, Atty general, all Chicago machine democrats and rabidly anti gun freedom.
     
  9. Blue .45

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    For a visual illustration of how much influence Chicago has on state wide elections, just look at the map from this past November. As you can see, Chicago elected Illinois' current governor.

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/results/illinois

    I have a hard time believing Gov. Quinn will actually sign a ccw bill into law, assuming one reaches his desk.
     
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    I grew up in southern Illinois all my life and everyone I know loves to hunt and would carry if they could. I did move to Chicago when I got older (relocated after couple of years back down-state) and I really love the city. I'm just so torn because the Republican in me just hates how the Chicago politics run this state. I would be perfectly OK with Chicago becoming it's own "district" so-to-speak and letting the rest of Illinoisans get a CCW.

    When I moved up there I met some very shallow individuals who sounded like they didn't even know there was more to Illinois besides Chicago. Heck one of them couldn't believe that Chicago wasn't the state capitol! :eek: Not until they "googled" it that they realized Springfield was the state capitol. I'm not saying all Chicago people are like this, still have good friends up there and travel there often. The city live is a really nice change compared to growing up in a small country town. The way that Democrats that run this state honestly makes me want to move out. I have considered it but won't be doing it soon since I just got a great new job which is still keeping me in Illinois.
     
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    I agree with the fact that lots of the state government is influenced by the city. It's sad because lots of Illinois is nothing like the city in politics, beliefs or people. It's quite unfortunate that the city influences the other regions of the state. Its about time that the non-city folks spoke out and maybe got a CCW bill through. I might give the state a little more respect if such a thing happens. But who knows?
     
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    This is an excellent development for our Illinois friends. But it is not surprising. I am sure everyone here knows that Chicago's restrictions on gun ownership have been rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court. The decision places every prohibition against gun ownership in serious jeopardy. Cities like San Francisco have reason to believe that their ordinances against gun ownership are utterly unenforceable.

    The Supreme Court has remanded the Chicago case to the lower courts with instructions as to how to proceed. For a brief Reuters description of the June 2010 decision, here's a link:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65R35920100628

    For those interested, it's worth the time to read the whole decision, including an impeccably reasoned concurrence by Justice Thomas. In his concurrence,
    Justice Thomas recounts the plight of black Americans following the Civil War, which he refers to as the War Over Slavery. He reminds the Court that gun
    ownership was often the only way freed slaves could defend their families against mob violence. In essence, Justice Thomas seems to imply that those who favor prohibitions on gun ownership resemble those who would favor slavery. That must be a very bitter pill for supporters of gun control.

    Justice Thomas concludes his concurrence by declaring that the right to keep and bear arms is included in the "minimum baseline of federal rights that the Privileges or Immunities clause established in the wake of the War Over Slavery."
     
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    The downstate democrats are telling the Chicago machine that they need this to get reelected, plain and simple. Michael Madigan doesn't want to lose the majority in the house so the democrats may have to give in on this or risk losing representatives.

    I'm torn, as I'd love to see concealed carry in IL, but I'd love to see the democrats lose the majority in the house too! Damnit, why didn't Brady get elected as governor.:banghead:
     
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    And Pat Quinn said he'd sign the bill, when? Not gonna happen just yet unless Chicago & Aurora can be exempted. Its getting better, but we are still not close enough.
     
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    I agree with Paulgibs on the brilliant concurrence by Justice Thomas in McDonald v. Chicago. I take every chance I get to remind anti-gun folks about the racist roots of gun control, and the role of armed self-defense in allowing the non-violent resistance methods of the Civil Rights Movement (eg the Deacons for Defense). Many of David Kopel's articles in Reason magazine are good reading on this too.
     
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    Because he doesn't have a political machine stuffing ballot boxes for him.
    They pretty much are. IF this passes there will be no CC for those living in Cook county. It's at the discretion of the sheriff to issue permits.
     
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    No its not. I have been reading this misinformation spread across the net for a few weeks now. Thats false, every single bit of it. The sheriff is merely where you fill out your permit app. It will then be sent to the ISP for processing. This will be a SHALL issue bill, the county sheriff will absolutely no say in it.

    TO all of those wishing to not be fed misinformation and made up facts on the bill in question go to

    www.illinoiscarry.com

    The NRA rep who is negotiating this bill and working hand in hand with both dems and republicans is a member there, and is keeeping everyone well informed on the facts of it.
     
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    I always think of Chicago and its relation to the rest of the state as like that of the proverbial bit of fecal material floating in the container of adult beverage.
     
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    "The problem is, and always has been, Chicago. State senate president, speaker of house, governor, Atty general, all Chicago machine democrats and rabidly anti gun freedom."

    Above quote says it all. I have been a sportshooter and FOID holder for 40 years. Anyone here who believes CCW is even remotely possible in Illinois at
    this time is delusional. When Wisconsin allows it, the street gang running our state will tout the fact that Illinois is the only state with a rational approach
    to the "GUN PROBLEM." I'm 59 and believe our only fight at this time is to prevent the loss of freedoms we still have in this state, with CCW a pipe dream at best.

    Read Ill.HB 1294. This is the " bone" Chitown/Ck Cty throws our way.
     
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  20. shotgunjoel

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    Pass a bill to silence the 80% majority that is calling for it.... what a concept.
     
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    That is where the bill started, they still havent changed anything on that website. Originally that was the call, it has sinced changed, and a lot too. If you go to Illinoiscarry.com there is an individual there named todd vandermyde who is in the middle of the whole thing. He gives regular updates on it. The bill as it is right now is totally different than what it started as.
    Here you go:

    http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=25017
     
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    I'm not entirely sure that would be true. The FOID card system in Illinois is regulated by the State Police or ISP. If a carry bill was passed, one would think they would just make adjustments to go along with the FOID card and ISP. Otherwise the whole system would have to be re-vamped and each county regulated at the disposal of the sheriff. Like I said, counties don't really mean much here, its only the city and a few select other areas around it.

    I live in Cook county, the same as Chicago. However, If I were in the City limits, I couldn't own half the guns I own now.
     
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    I wish you guys the best of luck. I left Chicago in 1987 after graduating Boot Camp and A-School, and won't be headed back any time soon.
     
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    With enough votes gathered, and last I heard they were 5 away, there would be enough votes to overturn a veto by the governor.
     
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