Super Fast Shotgun Reloading. What do you think?

[2@low8]

I was searching for a fast way to reload my shotgun and found this on YouTube -- Army Pro Shooting Tips: How To Speed Reload A Shotgun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxLmwuBRTQ

Two methods are shown:
1- Side Saddle Reload

2- And the really fast Off The Belt Reload (aka Weak Hand Reload). This method starts at 1 minute and 25 seconds (1:25) into the video. The shooter loads 8 rounds in 5.54 seconds using a belt shell caddy while keeping his eyes on the threat. Impressive… at least to me.

I am willing to put in the time to practice unless any of you think that there may be unacceptable risks or faults to this method. Thanks… Frankie

 

[Goody3086]

How about empty gun, load six from belt and knockdown 6 targets in 4.32 seconds? Go here and scroll down to the "Shotgun, 6 shots on konockdowns"

http://www.jspublications.net/records/records.html

Lots of other neat stuff there as well.

 

[2@low8]

Goody 3086 - Wow! Cowboy Action Shooting scenarios never let Win. 97 users utilize the advantage of the pump gun’s action and capacity against double barrel guns even though the pump was manufactured before 1900. It sure looks as though Badlands Bud figured out how to use the Win 97 to his advantage!

Loading each round singly as I need it is not the way I want to go. If you mishandle one round when you need it most could have some very dire consequences. If you mishandle a round (except for the first) and you need to shoot it won’t necessarily end up bad for you.

Thanks for the link… I really enjoyed seeing it.

 

[oneounceload]

while keeping his eyes on the threat.

If you fired 8 fast shots and needed to reload in a serious threat scenario, I would think you would want an AR with a 20 or 30 round magazine

 

[Jon_Snow]

Look up the quad load. It's a new-ish technique in 3-gun that people are using go load 8 rounds into a shotgun in ~3.5 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1AQAI8cJs8

 

[2@low8]

oneounceload - I am much better at hitting moving targets with a shotgun than a rifle. I proved that to myself on the skeet field (also tried shooting clays with a .22 after reading a book by Lee Braun) and as a LEO during a riot. I’ve also had experience with shooting moving targets with an M-16 while I was “In Country” and if it weren’t for the selector set on “F” I don’t think I would have made it home. YMMV.

 

[2@low8]

Jon_Snow- Damn, that was fast! But, he took his eyes off possible threats during that entire time. Do you think that with practice you could do it without looking at the gun in under 5.54 seconds including remounting the shotgun?

 

[mac66]

That's pretty impressive. I don't compete anymore but it is interesting to see what's new these days.

 

[Deer_Freak]

When I am dove hunting I have no problems making tactical reloads with shells in the pockets on my game bag. We all know if you aren't careful you can empty your gun out real quick in a hot dove field. It's rare I get caught with my gun empty.

I have shot a Mossberg pump all my life. I have no problem loading another shell in the gun with it on my shoulder. It's not uncommon for me to shoot one bird. Hear the whistle of wings behind me. Then slide a shell in the gun while I am turning around.

In all 50 states you must plug your gun to three shots when shooting doves. I seldom get caught with an empty gun. But I am not one to just blast away because I can see a bird. On a sunny day if I can't see the doves feet it's out of range.

 

[mavracer]

I'm on my phone so I can't see videos, I was taught to and still practice loading 2 at a time. Grabbing 2 shells at a time from whatever storage device you're using. It's easily practiced while shoooting clays and in the field and is easily adaptable to combat games, I've shot 3gun and Cowboy Action and it serves well there.
Bottom line as Clint Smith says learn to run what you have.

 

[jaguarxk120]

Lord Ripon never loaded his own guns, but was the greatest shot of all time.

He could keep two loaders busy working up a sweat during a shoot. Lord Ripon killed over 500,000 birds and small game during the time he shot.

I don't think it is how fast you load , but rather how fast one can hand off the gun to a loader.

 

[Justin]

The AMU tips are good, and Daniel Horner is one of the best 3gun shooters around.

The technique you use should depend on the situation. If you're looking to quickly reload a home defense shotgun while wearing your jammies, you'll want to practice reloading from a side saddle, since you won't be wearing a belt carrier to bed.

If you want to reload from a belt carrier, get a few carriers and dummy shells, and be prepared to practice a lot as the weak hand reloading technique takes a fair amount of practice to gain proficiency. When I was learning it, I spent about 30 minutes a night practicing with a shot timer for three or four months.

Also, I would strongly recommend getting a welded lifter, as there is the possibly of tearing a thumbnail off with some of the stock lifters.

Also for a lot of great info on using a shotgun, pick up a copy of the Magpul DVD Art Of The Dynamic Shotgun.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

 

[Justin]

Lord Ripon never loaded his own guns, but was the greatest shot of all time.

He could keep two loaders busy working up a sweat during a shoot. Lord Ripon killed over 500,000 birds and small game during the time he shot.

I don't think it is how fast you load , but rather how fast one can hand off the gun to a loader.

While interesting, this post is completely unhelpful.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

 

[2@low8]

Justin - Good point about Rambo in jammies. Our bedroom/semi-safe room plan would dovetail in nicely with the sidesaddle reload. I can see where learning both techniques are in order.

I think that the learning curve would be faster with the Carbon Arms SSLP8 technique (link given By Jon Snow in post #5) using the strong hand to reload. The thing that I can’t predict is if it can be done, keeping eyes looking for possible targets, within a very short time (5-6 seconds?) including a remount. I would like to see how it would be done for 8 rounds that way and, if interrupted by circumstances, also done in 4 rounds or even 2.

I didn’t get your drift about the welded lifter. I’m using Remington 1100s and 11-87s. If this applies to these guns, could you please give me a link in that direction…..Frankie

 

[tnxdshooter]

I was searching for a fast way to reload my shotgun and found this on YouTube -- Army Pro Shooting Tips: How To Speed Reload A Shotgun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxLmwuBRTQ

Two methods are shown:
1- Side Saddle Reload

2- And the really fast Off The Belt Reload (aka Weak Hand Reload). This method starts at 1 minute and 25 seconds (1:25) into the video. The shooter loads 8 rounds in 5.54 seconds using a belt shell caddy while keeping his eyes on the threat. Impressive… at least to me.

I am willing to put in the time to practice unless any of you think that there may be unacceptable risks or faults to this method. Thanks… Frankie

That's how we've always been trained at work. Keep gun on target toss a round in the chamber with off hand rack the slide then combat load with the off hand. All while keeping the gun on target.

Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.

 

[Fred Fuller]

Are you thinking about using these techniques for 3-gun?

 

[2@low8]

Fred - I participated in 3 gun competitions over 10 years ago and enjoyed the variety and camaraderie of those shoots. If there were special techniques and equipment for shotgun speed-loading back then, I was unaware of them. It was inadvertently stumbling on the AMU YouTube video recently that piqued my interest.

However, it is the intensity of emotions that civil rioting and war brings that makes me want to up my skill levels. Speed loading 8 rounds may be overkill in MOST realistic scenarios, but not in ones that I’ve been in.

There are no 3 gun competitions within a 250 mile radius of me, so practicing those skills is difficult. I make up my own scenarios, some of them 3 gun, and implement them at my shooting club.

 

[Fred Fuller]

I've looked at the 3-gun approach for a long time, used to shoot some myself a long time ago (late 1970s), back when it was still referred to by the name of the magazine that mostly popularized the idea. And played around with it a little more in the 90s.

The thing that I noticed most after taking a basic shotgun class and a refresher a few years later with Awerbuck was how much Louis encourages his students not to stand still out in the open and reload. He's pretty insistent about it in fact.

Most folks never get good at loading ONE round at the time, from what little I've seen. I'm still not as good at it as I probably ought to be. I use Sidesaddles on working shotguns, and usually something like a Claymore bag (buckshot in the left pocket and slugs in the right) to carry extra shotgun ammo beyond that. I don't own or use any of the specialized 3-gun gear that helps speed up the process, and haven't seen it used in classes so far. That's not saying it wouldn't work - in fact, classes are a great way to test gear for durability and utility.

I can't see using a shotgun for much beyond anticipated short duration defensive situations. If it's going to be a high round count long duration thing either I don't want to be there at all, or I want a box gun, and also a lot of friends with box guns .

I see the shotgun reloading thing working out pretty much the way some people tend to look at knife fights - they see them as all graceful flowing choreographed fencing movements at six feet apart, like a duel. Generally on the street they don't work out like that. They tend to be up close, raw, brutal, graceless, very kinetic - and over quickly.

I'm not saying don't learn it and try it. I am saying don't practice standing still in the open to try it though, because what you do in practice is what you will do 'for real.' Either reload on the move, and pretty briskly at that, or preferably behind good cover. Work on transitions to a sidearm in there too while you are at it - a loaded one hand gun beats an empty two handed one, lots of times. And if you get a chance at a shotgun class with Awerbuck, Givens, Smith, Farnam, Cain or the like, do not miss the opportunity.

 

[rcmodel]

It's amazing how good Army AMU shooters get in their specific gun disciplines.

But you would be surprised how good most of us could get if that was your full-time job.
And Uncle Sam was buying your clothes, food, and shotgun shells!
And paying you to shoot and win all the time.

BTDT 40+ years ago enough to know it's true.

Now, I see noone in the vid 'keeping his eyes on the threat'.
All the Army shooters are staring intently at the hand and loading port on the shotgun.

And there is no threat.
It's a game gun, and a game they are practicing speed loading for.
Not a combat threat.

They are showing how to speed load a shotgun for competition and shooting steel plates.
So there is no threat except coming in 2nd or worse place in a match the AMU expects you to win!

rc

 

[Sheepdog1968]

If you have the time it can't hurt to practice a bunch of different ways. The two ways I practice the most are based on my real world needs. I do a lot of sporting clays so I have gotten quite good at grabbing a shell from thensimple field vest I wear and loading without looking into either the side port or tube. The second way is loading from a side saddle. For the few times in my life I've heard a bump in the night that resulted in me getting the shotgun all I have had is the shotgun and the side saddle as I'm in my underwear. If I were going to compete (which I really want to do) I M inclined to focus on loading from a side saddle weak hand as it reflects what I would do in real life. I took Loui Awerbuck's shotgun class about five years ago and am planning on taking another one this fall.

 

[mac66]

I can see this shotgun speed loading being good for 3 gun and/or other run and gun games., obviously that's where is came from. Frankly though, I can't think of one time in 34 years of law enforcement where I saw, investigated, was involved in or heard of anyone running out of ammo with a shotgun. I tried to do a google search to see if anyone ever got into a fire fight with a shotgun or in Iraq or A-stan or where a reload, let alone a speed load made any difference. Couldn't find any.

Point is, cool stuff for gaming, not really practical or necessary in real life. Getting into a firefight in your jammies just ain't gonna happen. (flame suit on)

 

[Fred Fuller]

I hesitate to do things that tend to make me gear dependent. Needing to have special belt mounted shell holders for speed loading is being gear dependent IMHO. I put Sidesaddles on my own working shotguns, but that doesn't mean if I need a shotgun I will always have one of my own at hand. But a handful of buckshot in a coat or pants pocket will suffice for me, if that's all I can get, and a different brand of pump than my preferred 870, or a different style of action altogether will only throw me off so much if that's what I get handed or can find along the way.

Give me a '3 on the tree' with a clutch, and I can drive it. Four on the floor, same deal. Might not be real smooth at first but I can get there. And I'm not depending on an automatic transmission to be able to drive. Hand me a Colt revolver and I can run it, just not as instinctively as I do the S&W J frame that I've carried since 2005. And so on.

There's skill sets, and there's skill sets - and I tend to be a generalist more than a specialist. That's not saying there is anything wrong with specialists of course, in some situations they are to be preferred. But in my own case I just need to be 'good enough' to prevail in a given situation, and I have a life to live as well .

 

[2@low8]

Fred - “3 on a tree” I can’t remember the last time I heard that expression. That and dimmer switches on the floorboard, curb feelers, fender skirts, continental kits and suicide knobs are in an era all their own. My first car was a 1950s $50 F.I.A.T. (Fix It Again Tony) that had "4 on a tree" plus reverse!

I appreciate your perspective on being a generalist and it’s a good thing to be able to run the gamut of firearms. Scarce gun-funds presented me with the “opportunity” to be introduced to the minimalist genus of every firearm type and becoming a solid middle class individual loosened up the funding for the more sophisticated models. While I am able to run all types, I prefer the more complex ones.

My father used to say, “Jack of all trades; master of none.” I guess he had me nailed. My father, an Italian, was also fond of saying (phonetically) Saw-zeech Iz-own. My THR paisanos should get a laugh out of it. It’s a mixture of Italian-American-Spoofing. Can you figure it out in THR lingo?