Suppressors???

[Ranb]

A good silencer is going to reduce the noise intensity by about 30 decibels or a factor of 1000. This is eight time less loudness. It should be safe to shoot without ear plugs even with supersonic ammo. I would guess that it would be somewhere between a 9mm and 45 in noise level. But you would be better off with the opinion of an owner of a 40 cal can. There might be a better opinion on http://www.silencertalk.com or http://www.subguns.com . Sure sure ain't going to be quiet though, that is a fact.

Ranb

 

[ny32182]

.40 with subsonic/180gr should be very quiet.

 

[WoofersInc]

A good silencer is going to reduce the noise intensity by about 30 decibels or a factor of 1000.

One other thing to look at when talking about quiet and suppressors. Some of the good cans shot wet can get close to 32-33 decibels according to studies I have seen published.

Most of us shooting non suppressed guns will wear ear muffs. The standard non-electronic muffs are usually rated in the 25-27 decibel range as far as noise suppression.
If the suppressor you are using knocks 32 decibels off of the sound you are 5 decibels quieter than what the sound would be like if you were shooting regularly with hearing protection on. Now not every thing is going to be hearing safe. If you take a 170 or so gun you can reduce it down to 145-148 decibels. It will still be loud and repeated exposure will still cause problems long term. Now some of the 22 suppressor have been tested and have decibel ratings of 115-118 with the suppressor on them. But they are not starting out as loud.

 

[Enachos]

...Interesting. I've noticed my Glock 27 is way louder than my buddies shotgun. That little piece LOUD!

 

[NetJunkie]

Enachos, where in NC are you? If you're near Charlotte let's talk.

 

[Ranb]

Good rule of thumb. Longer barrel means more power, better accuracy, less recoil and less noise. There are of course exceptions.

Ranb

 

[mikepeer]

so is it a one time tax?

 

[Ranb]

Sort of. When I pay the tax to make or buy a certain silencer, I never have to pay it again as long as I own that same silencer. But any time that silencer changes hands on an ATF form 4, then another $200 tax is paid.

If I was to make a silencer on an ATF form 1, I would pay a $200 tax. If I then sold it to an unlicensed person in another state, then a $200 tax would be paid when sent to a dealer in my state. My dealer would transfer it to a dealer in the buyer's state tax free on an ATF form 3. Then the dealer in the buyer's state would transfer it to the buyer along with another $200 tax. This is why you do not see very many used silencers for sale across state lines. I make my own as a hobby and have never ever seen a homemade silencer available for sale across state lines due to the $400 in taxes. Who wants a silencer from an unknown hobbyist that includes $400 in taxes? No one with a brain anyway.

The only other times I can avoid paying the $200 tax is to transfer it tax free to the state, a museum or to my heirs (after my death) on the ATF form 5.

Ranb

 

[mikepeer]

i was always told that it was to be paid every year so i've never went any further on trying to get one in indiana. but if its a one time fee per unit that's a whole different story. so if i were to have my lawyer form a NFA revocable living trust then it's legal for me to have this in my home and shoot it in a safe manner at a range and so on? or does it need to be in my personal name to leave my home? so are the benifits of a NFA revocable living trust just to aviod some paper work each time or much more. i'm thinking i need to educate myself a little more on what a NFA revocable living trust is and how it works. i had my lawyer do my living will but never thought of setting any kind of trust up yet, i guess it's never to early.

 

[mikepeer]

by the way i forgot to thank you for the info ranb...

 

[Ranb]

You can either personally own it or use a trust or Corp to own it for you. If you personally own it, then you need to submit mugshots and fingerprints as well as getting the local sheriff to sign the back of the ATF form 1 or 4. These are not required if you use a trust or Corp. From what I have heard, some states have a fee to keep a Corp current. Anyone can create a trust, I used Quicken Willmaker ($40) instead of dishing out $600 for a lawyer to make the trust (cheapest I could find).

I created a shared revocable living trust with my brother and I as trustees. The trustees share the trust's property. This meant I could make a silencer and send it to my brother in his state. He just filled out the ATF form 1 using the trust name and his address. When it was approved, he sent me a copy and I made the silencer for us and sent it to him. Piece of cake.

Check out http://www.subguns.com and http://www.silencertalk.com forums for more info.

Ranb

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

If you haven't watched youtube yet, lots of good videos on pistols with suppressors.

 

[LiquidTension]

Dealing specifically with a suppressed 27 - sub compact guns sometimes have more problems cycling reliably than full and mid size guns. Also .40 is not one of the more commonly suppressed calibers so suppressor selection is not as great as it is for .22, 9mm, and .45. The AAC Evo-40 is one of the better cans available for the caliber.

I've been at the last 3 Silencer Shoots doing demos with a friend (Innovative Arms). I only saw a handful of suppressed sub compacts. This is mainly because sub compacts are made for concealment, but if you mount a can on a gun you're not going to be concealing it anyway so you might as well have a larger platform that's more shooter-friendly. Do you have any other guns you could suppress? A .22 suppressor is about the most fun you can have. Cheap enough to shoot it all day, quieter than anything else, and plenty of cans to choose from in all price ranges.

Whatever you choose to do, check www.major-malfunction.com for the best suppressor prices around. Bryon is a great guy to deal with.