Want the best suppressor

[HoosierHunter128]

I made the mistake of shooting with a muzzle break, with no muffs, and will never do that again. 1 shot made my ear ring for 24 hours and that ear still feels numb and water logged. I’ve been to the the ear doctor, had 2 shots of steroids through my eardrum, to my “coil”, and it’s getting better, but I’m not confident I will regain my hearing back to 100%. The hearing test shows traumatic hearing loss. I’ve never considered a can before, but I think it’s time to go that direction now. I’m not a range shooter, I am a member of a range, but I need to not have to worry about this again when I hunt. I have a Christensen arms Mesa that I now hunt with primarily, and would like to put a suppressor on it. It is a 6.5 creedmoor. I also have an AR that is a 6.5 creedmoor that I’d like to be able to use it with as well. I literally blew out my left ear with that brake. My question is: what do you think is the best suppressor on the market for both sound and accuracy for an accurate bolt action rifle? I believe it’s a 5/8 x 24 thread. My buddy told me he bought this a few years back and at the time he thought it was the best:

https://silencerco.com/silencers/omega-300/

what do you guys say? What is the most accurate and quiet suppressor out there right now for me and my purpose?

thanks

 

[browneu]

I don't know anything about that silencer but you may want to look at silencer shop for your purchase https://www.silencershop.com/. They have some good sales and their process makes purchasing a silencer very easy. Also, they're going to e-file soon which will cut the time of approval.

 

[ColdSpring]

First- sincerely hope you get all, or at least most, of your hearing back!

I will second the silencershop.com recommendation. Purchased my first one (along with a trust) through them & they really make the process simple & smooth. Answered all of my dumb newbie questions quickly & accurately, and were happy to do so. It's still in ATF jail, but everything on my end is complete except the 4473 that will be done when I'm allowed to pick it up.

Unfortunately for the purposes of this thread, mine is a rimfire can- so no experience or research to share regarding centerfire cans. There are a couple of dedicated suppressor forums out there, not sure if it's ok to link to other forums here but they're pretty easy to find via google. Lots of experience there to help you decide (or maybe muddy the waters!)

 

[greyling22]

First, hang 1.5 lbs of weight on your muzzle and see what you think.

After that, machiv makes a good can. Thunderbeast makes a good can. The resonator and the nomad are good cans.... Honestly, there's not a whole lot of difference. And anything is better than nothing.

This is an older article, but still interesting reading. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...t-30-caliber-silencer-testing-event-ever/amp/

And supposedly in the very near future you should be able to efile a form 4, so hopefully wait times will drop from the 8 months plus they are right now to the 3 weeks the form one e-files are.

 

[mcb]

For a hunting specific suppressor I would recommend a AAC Jaeger-30. AAC is back (after Remington's demise, and under new ownership and management) and is just starting to ship suppressors again. The Jaeger-30 is a hunting specific can. It is very light weight (13.9 oz) and pretty affordable (MSRP $449). Its a hybrid titanium aluminum construction, direct mount can (5/8-24 threads). It is rated up to 300 Win Mag. The mount and the first expansion chamber is titanium and the rest of the suppressor is an aluminum body with an aluminum mono-core. I have put a fair number of rounds through one and if I was going to by a dedicated hunting suppressor this would be near the top of my list.

https://www.advanced-armament.com/jaeger-30.html

Remember that even with a suppressor a centerfire rifle shooting super-sonic ammunition is still not ear safe no matter how good the suppressor is. It will still be well above 120 dbs and will damage hearing. That said if you do shoot a shot or two with unprotected ears it will not leave them ringing the way a brake does but prolong shooting session would still contribute to long term hearing damage.

 

[marksman13]

The Omega is a good can. The Silencerco Harvester May better suit your needs because it is a direct thread, light weight, quiet and I’ve found them to zero effect on accuracy.

If you really want the best can in terms of accuracy, I’d look really hard at Thunderbeast Arms. I’ve got their Ultra 7 and an Ultra 9. Go with the 7. Plenty quiet and no effect on accuracy. I think their QD brakes and flash suppressors are the best in the business.

 

[marksman13]

First, hang 1.5 lbs of weight on your muzzle and see what you think.

After that, machiv makes a good can. Thunderbeast makes a good can. The resonator and the nomad are good cans.... Honestly, there's not a whole lot of difference. And anything is better than nothing.

This is an older article, but still interesting reading. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...t-30-caliber-silencer-testing-event-ever/amp/

And supposedly in the very near future you should be able to efile a form 4, so hopefully wait times will drop from the 8 months plus they are right now to the 3 weeks the form one e-files are.

I honestly don’t perceive any noticeable weight change with my Ultra 7 and Ultra 9. The rifle is longer and I fully realize that there is additional weight on the end of the barrel, but I can’t tell that my rifles handle any different with those lightweight cans. The AAC 762-SDN-6, however, is a heavy beast and an entirely different animal.

 

[HoosierHunter128]

The Omega is a good can. The Silencerco Harvester May better suit your needs because it is a direct thread, light weight, quiet and I’ve found them to zero effect on accuracy.

If you really want the best can in terms of accuracy, I’d look really hard at Thunderbeast Arms. I’ve got their Ultra 7 and an Ultra 9. Go with the 7. Plenty quiet and no effect on accuracy. I think their QD brakes and flash suppressors are the best in the business.

I looked up the harvester, and I don’t really understand how it attaches to the rifle

 

[HoosierHunter128]

For a hunting specific suppressor I would recommend a AAC Jaeger-30. AAC is back (after Remington's demise, and under new ownership and management) and is just starting to ship suppressors again. The Jaeger-30 is a hunting specific can. It is very light weight (13.9 oz) and pretty affordable (MSRP $449). Its a hybrid titanium aluminum construction, direct mount can (5/8-24 threads). It is rated up to 300 Win Mag. The mount and the first expansion chamber is titanium and the rest of the suppressor is an aluminum body with an aluminum mono-core. I have put a fair number of rounds through one and if I was going to by a dedicated hunting suppressor this would be near the top of my list.

https://www.advanced-armament.com/jaeger-30.html

Remember that even with a suppressor a centerfire rifle shooting super-sonic ammunition is still not ear safe no matter how good the suppressor is. It will still be well above 120 dbs and will damage hearing. That said if you do shoot a shot or two with unprotected ears it will not leave them ringing the way a brake does but prolong shooting session would still contribute to long term hearing damage.

I like the looks and the price of that AAC Jaeger-30. I can’t find one anywhere online though

 

[LoonWulf]

@MachIVshooter might have some insight.

 

[mcb]

I like the looks and the price of that AAC Jaeger-30. I can’t find one anywhere online though

They are just getting up and running again (here in Huntsville even). I might have had lunch with one of their employees last week. I do not have any info particular to the Jaeger-30 but I do know they are just starting to ship products in general again. You might have your chosen dealer reach out to them and see if they know when those will ship again.

 

[MachIVshooter]

@MachIVshooter might have some insight.

A little. Lol.

One thing to keep in mind about the ultralight hunting suppressors is they are just that; lightly built, not designed for abuse or heavy firing schedules.

With cans, like anything, there's no free lunch. To gain in one category, you have to compromise in others. But there is certainly less compromising these days with many of us building really effective and durable cans that are under a pound.

The TBAC cans are the most durable featherweights, but bear in mind that most of them still can't handle serious volume because titanium has material limitations with pulling hydrogen out of atmosphere that embrittles the metal, starting at around 900°F. High velocity rifle rounds get you there pretty quick. But of the lightweights, you really can't do better. The Ultras are certainly stronger than the Harvester, the Jager, our Phantom 8. Zak, Ray, Chad et. al. know how to build a great can! For hunting and PRS suppressors, they are second to none.

We don't do much with titanium in rifle cans, instead use tubeless construction and refined geometry to make fully stainless suppressors that are tougher and not much heavier while also being lower priced with the less expensive and more easily machined material. Except for Phantom 8, all of our models today are fully 17-4 H900 tubeless cans.

I won't claim ours are the best choice for really hard use, though. For stuff that can take continuous full auto fire, your gonna need the really expensive super alloys like Inconel 718 and Stellite. Those materials make titanium look cheap and easy to machine, and they have insane heat treatment processes. That makes for spendy cans. Some people really need it, many want it just because, but I have chosen not to incorporate those at this time because it's not necessary for the majority of users and will drive cost up significantly.

As for 6.5 CM, not a difficult round to suppress, a quality 7-8" can in 6.5 or .30 cal will make it OK for naked ears out in the open. At least on a bolt gun; your semi auto is gonna produce at-ear levels at least in the high 130s dB range. I've never found a semi auto host and can combo which was comfortable to my naked ears. So keep that in mind. The port noise is nowhere near what your muzzle brake subjected you to, but still in the seriously damaging range. And to that end, your ears are really the best arbiter of safe or not, because dBs (intensity) are only part of the equation. Bottom line, if it's remotely uncomfortable, use ear pro whenever possible.

 

[HoosierHunter128]

A little. Lol.

One thing to keep in mind about the ultralight hunting suppressors is they are just that; lightly built, not designed for abuse or heavy firing schedules.

With cans, like anything, there's no free lunch. To gain in one category, you have to compromise in others. But there is certainly less compromising these days with many of us building really effective and durable cans that are under a pound.

The TBAC cans are the most durable featherweights, but bear in mind that most of them still can't handle serious volume because titanium has material limitations with pulling hydrogen out of atmosphere that embrittles the metal, starting at around 900°F. High velocity rifle rounds get you there pretty quick. But of the lightweights, you really can't do better. The Ultras are certainly stronger than the Harvester, the Jager, our Phantom 8. Zak, Ray, Chad et. al. know how to build a great can! For hunting and PRS suppressors, they are second to none.

We don't do much with titanium in rifle cans, instead use tubeless construction and refined geometry to make fully stainless suppressors that are tougher and not much heavier while also being lower priced with the less expensive and more easily machined material. Except for Phantom 8, all of our models today are fully 17-4 H900 tubeless cans.

I won't claim ours are the best choice for really hard use, though. For stuff that can take continuous full auto fire, your gonna need the really expensive super alloys like Inconel 718 and Stellite. Those materials make titanium look cheap and easy to machine, and they have insane heat treatment processes. That makes for spendy cans. Some people really need it, many want it just because, but I have chosen not to incorporate those at this time because it's not necessary for the majority of users and will drive cost up significantly.

As for 6.5 CM, not a difficult round to suppress, a quality 7-8" can in 6.5 or .30 cal will make it OK for naked ears out in the open. At least on a bolt gun; your semi auto is gonna produce at-ear levels at least in the high 130s dB range. I've never found a semi auto host and can combo which was comfortable to my naked ears. So keep that in mind. The port noise is nowhere near what your muzzle brake subjected you to, but still in the seriously damaging range. And to that end, your ears are really the best arbiter of safe or not, because dBs (intensity) are only part of the equation. Bottom line, if it's remotely uncomfortable, use ear pro whenever possible.

I’m really not a range guy, and only really go there to break in new barrels, and to zero scopes. I put less than 50 rounds through a rifle a year, and most of my rifles I only put 6 rounds through annually, 2 three shot groups to verify zero. The rifle that I’m considering for this can will be shot the most, and even then no more than 50 rounds a year. I don’t do any stalk hunting, so it won’t be banged up through the brush. My rifles look brand new. Would you spend the extra $$$$ on a tougher can if you were in my situation? Or do you think one of the lightweight hunting cans (harvester or Jager) would be ok? Knowing my particular scenario, what would you buy? I’d also like to direct thread it to my 5/8 x 24 thread on the CA Mesa because that seems the easiest and most secure way, I think. Do you agree?

 

[BreechFace]

For what you describe, I would be looking at a lightweight titanium can. No sense in spending money on weight to handle full auto or very fast strings of shots. You just won't get there with what you describe above. The benefits of a lightweight can that one adds to a longer hunting barrel is easy to witness and experience when handling the gun in the field. I'm guessing your CA Mesa is a 22" barrel? Adding a lightweight suppressor is going to change it's handling as it is; adding a heavier can for benefits that you won't need or notice with your use will change it even more.

I like the Hybrid 46 for it's bore size to be utilized on a wide array of calibers and it suppresses enough for what I need out of a hunting suppressor that gets swapped around from .224" - .450" bores.

But it sounds like you are set on a few calibers and can choose a better defined suppressor. I've heard nothing but great things on TBAC suppressors for lightweight hunting use or look into one of MachIV's lightweight options he does great work, that would be where I would be spending my time researching and talking with people about.

 

[Havok7416]

The answer here is easy. Contact MachIV, tell him any particulars you may have left out in the above posts and enjoy whatever can of his that fits your needs/budget. He makes some awesome stuff.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I made the mistake of shooting with a muzzle break, with no muffs, and will never do that again. 1 shot made my ear ring for 24 hours and that ear still feels numb and water logged. I’ve been to the the ear doctor, had 2 shots of steroids through my eardrum, to my “coil”, and it’s getting better, but I’m not confident I will regain my hearing back to 100%. The hearing test shows traumatic hearing loss. I’ve never considered a can before, but I think it’s time to go that direction now. I’m not a range shooter, I am a member of a range, but I need to not have to worry about this again when I hunt. I have a Christensen arms Mesa that I now hunt with primarily, and would like to put a suppressor on it. It is a 6.5 creedmoor. I also have an AR that is a 6.5 creedmoor that I’d like to be able to use it with as well. I literally blew out my left ear with that brake. My question is: what do you think is the best suppressor on the market for both sound and accuracy for an accurate bolt action rifle? I believe it’s a 5/8 x 24 thread. My buddy told me he bought this a few years back and at the time he thought it was the best:

https://silencerco.com/silencers/omega-300/

what do you guys say? What is the most accurate and quiet suppressor out there right now for me and my purpose?

thanks

I own 3 Silencerco Omegas. I got them because at the time, I thought they were the best option for me. They came with both QD mounts and direct thread mount options...which is really cool. I got one for me, one for my buddy rifle, and one as a spare, JIC.

At the time I got mine, they offered among the best noise reduction and were among the best in terms of weight. I like them just fine. I don't know that there aren't better options available today, but you have to balance out the features with your needs. For example, these are 30 caliber cans and I can buy a .223 end plate to make it more using friendly with the .223 caliber. Last I checked, they don't make a 6.5 version which is what I am using mine for at this time.

As for accuracy, suppressors aren't really accurate or inaccurate. A properly mounted suppressor should be as good or bad as any other properly mounted muzzle device. Adding a suppressor can impact how your bullets group down range. Because the suppressor adds weight to the end barrel and changes the harmonics of the barrel (most likely), you can experience a difference in impact between your unsuppressed rifle and your suppressed rifle, usually being slightly lower and likely off to the side. You may find that your groups tighten, loosen, or remain about the same depending on the impact the suppressor has on barrel harmonics. You may need to tweak your favorite pet load for use with the suppressor.

Depending on the rifle and barrel, I have found that the POI with added one of these suppressors will change 1-3 MOA, usually low and left. Looking at tests done on YouTube with various guns and suppressors, the POI got high sometimes, but usually they are the same or lower. The greatest change in POI I have seen after adding a suppressor was 7 MOA for a suppressor I borrowed and put on my rifle (Not a Silencerco Omega).

I will add that the flash hider on the Omegas DOES make a difference in flash from the suppressor.

I still wear hearing protection when shooting my suppressed rifle, BTW. I hunt hogs with mine 3 nights a week.

 

[HoosierHunter128]

I'm now between 3:
CGS Hyperion, Nomad LT, or TBAC ultra 9 or 7.
I want to be able to move this between a CA Mesa 6.5 creed, an AR 10 in 6.5 Creed, and a bolt 7-08. I guess I should do a 30 caliber to have more options.
Which would you buy?

 

[Zak Smith]

Hi Guys,

The TBAC cans are the most durable featherweights, but bear in mind that most of them still can't handle serious volume because titanium has material limitations with pulling hydrogen out of atmosphere that embrittles the metal, starting at around 900°F. High velocity rifle rounds get you there pretty quick. But of the lightweights, you really can't do better. The Ultras are certainly stronger than the Harvester, the Jager, our Phantom 8. Zak, Ray, Chad et. al. know how to build a great can! For hunting and PRS suppressors, they are second to none.

Titanium is tricky but we've been doing it for over a decade now.

The Ultras will take more abuse than most people think. One of the qualification tests of the 338 Ultra was to shoot 4000 rounds in 12-round "bursts" on a 14.5" 338 Lapua (in this case a "burst" was firing the rounds as fast as we could cycle the bolt by hand), letting it cool in between cycles.

If one designs with it the same way they would for a steel can, really conservative limits are appropriate.

We were able to get the Dominus-SR line to be "full auto rated" (using the specific definition that it will survive at least 10x 8-magazine SOCOM/SURGE cycles) by designing it around Ti's properties and observed failure modes in Ti suppressors.

 

[Zak Smith]

As far as HoosierHunter128's question, the cans in that list vary quite a bit in size and weight. The largest is 1.8" x 9.5" (IIRC) and the smallest is 1.5" x 7", and there is a commensurate difference in weight. If you want maximum suppression from that list, the Nomad LT is quietest (that is-- until SHOT Show comes ). The Ultra 7 is the most compact and is still very quiet.

On a gas gun, the ear dB number is almost certainly going to be louder for the larger cans vs. the Ultra 7 on that list, unless you do some major gas port tuning.

 

[HoosierHunter128]

As far as HoosierHunter128's question, the cans in that list vary quite a bit in size and weight. The largest is 1.8" x 9.5" (IIRC) and the smallest is 1.5" x 7", and there is a commensurate difference in weight. If you want maximum suppression from that list, the Nomad LT is quietest (that is-- until SHOT Show comes ). The Ultra 7 is the most compact and is still very quiet.

On a gas gun, the ear dB number is almost certainly going to be louder for the larger cans vs. the Ultra 7 on that list, unless you do some major gas port tuning.

So if it were you, knowing this will be shot with an AR 10 as well as bolt guns, you’d opt for the Ultra 7 for its versatility between gas pressure, and bolts? How easily can this be changed between guns, as compared to the other two? I’ve read some complaints about that on the TBAC’s. I know very little about that.

also, what do your prefer, direct thread, or thread over muzzle? And if you chose thread over muzzle, and you had three rifles, you’d fit each rifle with a new muzzle, and change the can over those muzzles?

 

[Zak Smith]

For gas guns that won't see higher firing rates, I like the Ultra 7. The Ultra 5 if I want it to be more compact and I don't mind if it's a little louder.

For gas guns that see higher firing rates, or when retention is very important, I use the Dominus-SR or Dominus-K-SR (the K being shorter with same criteria as the 5 vs 7).

For precision and hunting applications, a simple taper-mount (such as our CB) offers excellent repeatability and good retention vs. direct thread (DT). The SR mount is another step up in retention, as it has a secondary retention (ie, "SR") or locking mechanism.

I am not sure what they mean by changing between guns. You can screw a DT can on anything with the same threads. Or put a CB mount on any rifle you want to put it on. Some suppressors have a "standard" 1.375x24 or "HUB" back end which allows different mounts on the back of a suppressor. We don't offer one of these.. yet. The downside from our perspective is that given a silencer known for accuracy (ie, including its mount system), the potential for 3rd party parts to cause an accuracy problem is nonzero.

 

[HoosierHunter128]

I just called the Silencer Shop, and they sold me a CGS HYPERION, the full size version. He mentioned the K which is smaller and lighter, but it's also louder. I also picked up two of their muzzle devices, which are tapered, so I should be good there also, at least for 2 rifles for now. Right now I care more about having the quietest, something that is tough, and being able to use on an AR as well as my hunting bolt rifles. He mentioned the CGS HYPERION has no restrictions for what rifle it can be fired with, where as the other two I was considering have those restrictions, not that I would ever shoot fast enough for it to matter, or that I even shoot my AR any faster or any different than any of my bolt rifles. Based on what I've read, and what you guys have said, it sounds like any of those 3 would have been a solid choice.

Thanks for the suggestion of the silencer shop. I'm not sure they are the cheapest, but the process is pretty seamless, and that's worth a lot. I also like that they have a money back guarantee, or at least a credit if you don't like the can and wish to trade for another which is pretty nice. Anyhow, thanks for all of your advice everyone.

On a side note, I went to the ear doctor today and the steroid shots they've been doing in my left ear has improved it back to 100%, so I got my last shot today and don't have to go back to the doctor for another hearing test for another 2 months, which I'm thrilled about. Hopefully with good hearing protection and this suppressor, I won't have a scare like this again, and I can be sure to keep my son's ears safe also. Thanks again everyone

 

[RockRat64]

Hyperion is awesome

 

[MachIVshooter]

The downside from our perspective is that given a silencer known for accuracy (ie, including its mount system), the potential for 3rd party parts to cause an accuracy problem is nonzero.

Big fat disclaimer!

On that note, even if you guys are wanting to stay away from making Bravo pattern cans, people would line up to buy a Bravo adapter for the SR mount.

 

[dogtown tom]

I just called the Silencer Shop, and they sold me a CGS HYPERION, the full size version.

Thanks for the suggestion of the silencer shop. I'm not sure they are the cheapest.......

Be sure you understand how pricing is determined and how you "buy" from Silencer Shop, I'm not sure you do based on the above.
Hundreds if not thousands of dealers are affiliated with Silencer Shop, called "Powered By Dealers". Each of those PBD's sets HIS pricing, not Silencer Shop. That pricing can be as low as the manufacturers MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) or higher than MSRP.

When you call to buy at Silencer Shop, they may ask you what PBD local to you you would like to use. If you haven't checked pricing among your local dealers you may be surprised that some sell at MAP, some at Silencer Shop's default recommended price and others crank up the price when there is little competition nearby. If you order off their website you'll select your Powered By Dealer.

You can also contact a Powered By Dealer directly, to see if he is willing to sell for less than the price shown on the Silencer Shop website. I do this every day. While MAP policies restrict how a dealer advertises his pricing, it doesn't prevent the dealer for selling for less than MAP. Some silencer MAP are as little as 5% above cost, others 40% or more. Any silencer can be processed through the Silencer Shop system by the PB dealer.