Survival kit. What do you think?

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1905, what's wrong with a little survival kit? It's likely I'll never need it, but why not have one on hand. As far a my plan goes, that will have to evolve if an event were to unfold, but I'm not just shoving things in a bag that I'll grab before I walk out the door and die. What's your plan?

Harvey, good stuff. I like the siphon idea. It's hard to think urban though when you live where I do. The nearest "big city" is Denver Colorado, and it's 6.5 hours away. My most likely scenario would be out in the wild.
 
1905, what's wrong with a little survival kit? It's likely I'll never need it, but why not have one on hand. As far a my plan goes, that will have to evolve if an event were to unfold, but I'm not just shoving things in a bag that I'll grab before I walk out the door and die. What's your plan?

Harvey, good stuff. I like the siphon idea. It's hard to think urban though when you live where I do. The nearest "big city" is Denver Colorado, and it's 6.5 hours away. My most likely scenario would be out in the wild.
My plan is to reconoiter with my friends and take what I need from the bodies of my enemies. I repeat... what is your plan? You gonna run to the wild and live amongst the wolves and bears and survive? Survival for the sake of survival with no plan for your future is pointless.
 
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As far as a plan goes, Listening to Katrina would be a good thing to read if you have some free time. Its an account of a guy who wasn't ready when a real disaster came, and he tells exactly how to deal with it.
 
If you can't survive, how can you plan for the future? Kind of the first step, isn't it?

How about New Orleans. After your house washed away, wouldn't it be nice to have some stuff to get by while the looting and rioting took place until you could get somewhere else or until order was restored?

You should take to unconstructive criticism elsewhere.
 
No problem. I actually think I picked that link up here a while back, but couldn't find it just now. As far as your pack goes, a magnesium firestrarter is light, dead useful, and works in any environment. You can pick one up for ~$10 at a local gun show.
 
I like the idea of a "Survival" kit.
I think you have a pretty good idea there and I am not trying to be critical, but what do you intend to survive?
I often look at these threads and see people planning to become refugee's until
A) Things get better, or B) they can get to a better location.
Just my opinion but looking at history becomming a refugee isn't a good plan for me. Generally unless absolutely necassary staying put (Ok Katrina for some may be the exception) is best.
I would much rather preplan the location I live in so that it is less likely to be hit by natural disaster and prepare it. Then at worst I have to get from work to home.
A month of food storage at home (think high protein) that you can cook or eat without or with little cooking and access to 3 gallons or drinking water a day per person is a good place to start.
A preplanned fallback location if your home is destroyed would be great, but it too requires the same thought and preperation.
I think you have a great, but possibly very heavy kit there. That is your choice though and it seems you have put some thought in to it.
I would go through the First Aid kit you have and make sure it is up to snuff, most store bought kits have some weaknesses.
 
1. 6 - 30 rd. AR mags. (2 loaded with hollow points, 2 with FMJ’s, 1 with SP’s, 1 with AP’s)
- Make it 7 mags because one will be in the rifle.
- AP ammo? Really?


2. 80 rounds add’tl .223 ammo in boxes
- I prefer stripper clips over boxed ammo. Boxes get wet and fall apart, and now you've got loose ammo.


9. Windproof lighter
- Works until the butane runs out, and then it's not even worth being a paperweight.


10. Regular lighter (like a Zippo)
11. Waterproof matches (the ability to start a fire is critical)
- Combine them in a large pill bottle. Easy to find, and will help keep it clean and moisture free. Add the magnesium stick from #13 to it, too.


17. Orange flagging
- Why?


19. Spare pocket knife
- A decent multi-use like a Ka-Bar plus a larger Cold Steel knife for chopping/cutting.


22. Metal clips/carabiners
- Use these to make your kit modular based on seasons. Compression sacks and cheap carabines for your winter time sleeping pack will attach/detach from your pack in seconds.


31. Flannel shirt
32. Camo shirt
- There are better choices out there from retailers like REI and TAD Gear. Flannel gets wet and stays wet, and that's not good for a survival style situation.



Kris
 
What SHTF scenario are you expecting that this survival kit is going to help you in? I'm not saying that there could not or would not be A SHTF scenario, I'm just saying, What are you running from??? where are you going??? What are you gonna do when you get there??? How long are you going to need to survive on this kit??? If you do survive what are your plans to get your life back??? You dont need a kit you need a plan. Do you have a plan???

This was my point, made, as usual, better than I could. I believe in being prepared for time without utilities / city services / police protection; even social breakdown with potential for violence. What I don't get is why you wouldn't stock items needed for such an eventually to ride it out AT HOME? If you have a place in the boonies that provides shelter & safety, then I get it. But frankly, unless I lived in down town Detroit or DC or some other degraded urban epicenter, riding out nearly anything that comes our way from home seams to be the proper course. Am I missing something?
 
I am not a fan of carrying a bunch of heavy ammo and guns. In most problems you will encounter (such as getting lost in the woods, fire, tornado, etc.) a gun may turn out to be the least useful tool.

Thinks what would be useful for the most likely crisis you might face. A good example is you are driving in a snowstrom and run off the road and have to survive in your car until rescued.

or you get lost while hiking in the woods.

realistic things.
 
ilbob has it dead on. Plan for all hazards.

Here is the course on Disaster Survival Skills for the Urban Environment which we teach to our Citizen Corps groups, which should give you some ideas.

http://www.w4ava.org/races/KKauxcomm33.htm

This link has suggestions for preparedness at home

http://www.fema.gov/plan/prepare/supplykit.shtm

This site has great suggestions on a vehicle survival kit:

http://users.snowcrest.net/wb6fzh/tcevepak.html

This site is the "go-to" place for aviation survival kits and the real NATO and military specification survival equipment.

http://www.bestglide.com/articles.html
 
Pots and pans - they make kits that nest

if the zombies are coming, the news will be too late; if Yellowstone blows up, and you're close enough- it won't matter

In either scenario, the likelihood of you having to survive in the wild for long periods of time would be, IMO, minimal - better to have a vehicle you can rely on to go anywhere and place most of that stuff in a lockable box in the vehicle.
Gold, in the event of societal collapse, will go further than dollars
You'll want some food for the initial phase until you know who, what, where, when, and why.

Where I live, hurricanes are the major possibility. A vehicle fully gassed up, important papers in a small box, a gun or two JIC and some clothes, water and food are all that is necessary.
And pack a roll of TP - has multiple uses besides the most important one.

YMMV
 
I think the point is a good one to consider what type of survival you are talking about. Are you stranded some place in your car, which is stuck, and need to wait for help? Did your light plane make a forced landing? Do you wait or walk out? If it's a "Katrina" scenario, do you need to evacuate, or do you need to hold up for a month? Is it a man made disaster aka an attack? CAN you evacuate, and how long is this emergency going to last?

OMG the I am planning on harvesting food and supplies from my dead neighbors and stranger that I kill thinking again :banghead: Do all your neighbors eash have a large cache of food, gas, water and ammo? Will an aggressor come in with plenty of supplies or desperate and low on food etc? Most of mine will be knocking on my door day one for help, how about your neighbors?

Quite frankly, what was shown in the beginning of this thread is obviously a survival and escape kit. You are planning on walking away from where you live, and have no predetermined destination in mind. This is not good. You do not really have enough to take out a team of determined bad guys who intend to harvest you, and you have no plan to form your own team, nor do you have a location where you can set up and defend. :eek:

OK so a zombie attack would be obvious, as would a nuclear detonation (and probably a radiological release would be too small to really cause a huge problem). A chemical or bio attack would also probably be obvious, but..., there is a better chance of a cyber attack on a power grid..., and that won't be a "red flag" folks, even in winter. You will be told "No problem, we'll have the power back on in a few days", and then it will be a "week", followed by "Stay calm. We promise it will only be one more week, and we will have food shipped in", followed by " ...,at the end of the month", etc etc. Murphy's law..., if ya go out day-one capping folks for their food, gas, water, and ammo, the infrastructure will get repaired as predicted, and you will be branded a "nutter" as they try you for mass homicide. If it really is a SHTF loss of the grid for a month or several months..., by the time you have a clear indication of that..., and the panic sets in requiring and justifying you to defend yourself..., the population will have exhausted their food and gas reserves. The vast majority of people, especially in cities, will run out of food in less than 14 days, and I'd give the local market 1 week after that or less, before it's empty if no food is being shipped in. Water pumps in water towers that maintain the water levels run off electricity, so about the same amount of time for the water pressure to be nil.

Folks, if you don't have blood, plasma, and morphine, the best gunshot wound firstaid kit isn't going to do much but limit the mess that is left behind as the wounded person dies. If they live with a slug in them what about the secondary infection? Sure, be prepared for a minor gunshot wound, but you need much much more for non-gunshot stuff. There is a much much better chance of death from infection or disease..., Katrina or loss of a power grid, you're going to have problems with typhoid, cholera, disentery, (as the initial victims rot or the sewage system fails or both) plus the flu, and infection from minor wounds, than getting shot. (Your stockpile of ammo will be nearly worthless to you as it's kinda tough to hunt or defend yourself when you have a 104 degree fever and your bowls empty every five minutes or less.)

Two hundred an fifty years ago, a year long "survival kit" would consist of:
A blanket
A rifle w/180-360 rounds of ammunition (longhunters expected to kill a deer about every other day for a full year..., and sometimes you miss, and sometimes you have to fight the natives...)
Tools to maintain that rifle
A tomahawk
2-3 knives with a sharpening stone
A couple of small pots
A cup, fork, spoon, bowl
A large sewing kit
A couple of pounds of Salt, and a way of getting more.
two pairs of additional footware (mocs mostly)


Firstaid as it is today was unknown. Clean water was not an issue as it would be today. They knew how to use the raw materials at hand for resupply. They knew how to use the raw materials they would find for shelter. Most hunters used the above listed items as part of a group or team (HINT HINT) and the group held in common:
A full axe or two
a barrel or two of parched corn
More salt (and they often had a salt spring near by for resupply)
lead, powder, and flints

Now what can we learn from this? You need to carry or be able to make shelter. You need to be able to provide a large amount of food and clean water, or you better have it stockpiled someplace. Your weapon system needs to be simple, durable, and sustainable, so you better have something that won't break, is easy to clean, and allows you to pack lots of rounds, or again you need to have more ammo and parts stockpiled in a place you can get to and defend. You better be ready to make more (reload). And you better be able to stay healthy first, over a long period of time, rather than be able to treat a sucking-chest-wound. The rule was then and probably should be in a SHTF situation..., don't get into a firefight if you can aviod it. Run, hide, run some more, if you don't have a fortified location.

LD
 
Just one more mention of zombies, SHTF or ghoulishness and I'm closing this. I'm tempted to close it now for being OT for S&T, were it not for the fact that the OP seems to be getting something useful out of the thread.

But keep it on topic for S&T- which is strictly what you REALISTICALLY are planning to survive and how you expect your collection of gear to help you do that- or we're done here.

lpl
 
What I don't get is why you wouldn't stock items needed for such an eventually to ride it out AT HOME?

Because the event may preclude that option. Flooding, storm surges, and other events may force you to "bug out," thus the phrase "bug out bag." Up here the big threats are volcanoes and another mega-quake like Good Friday. The volcanic threat requires you to "bug in" as it were, and that's easy to prepare for with a pantry, alternate heat source, water purification system, etc. A major quake would potentially render your home too dangerous to live in, or collapse it outright. The BOB is there in such a case, so you can get by until you can get out to safety.

The BOB is *NOT* there so you can fight in Iraq, so the idea of packing mass quantities of heavy ammo for multiple firearms is deeply absurd. Even in the case of looters it's unnecessary--esp. since you're only going to care about looters if your house is still standing and you're still in it. In which case the BOB is not needed.

The BOB is also not a realistic tool for going on a prolonged expedition into the woods. There's simply not enough space. More importantly, the point of the bag is to tide you and your people over until you can get to a point of safety. Water purification and proper first aid are critical, food is important, and don't forget spare cash. I also keep a stock of tobacco for trading. You want to be able to get by without having to rely on the totally unreliable Red Cross and federal government. You never want to have to go to one of their disaster relief centers, so the bag is there to help get you out of Dodge. That may mean it just sits in the back of your truck as you drive out when the storm warning comes. Or it may mean you use the BOB to help you get across a ruined city after a 9.5 quake, to the highway and then to the nearest standing piece of civilization. Have cash, have debit cards, etc.

Don't think about fighting off hordes, think about what you need to get you and yours out of town given the threat you realistically face in the area. Who would you turn to? Where would you go? Will you be able to get there with a car? You want to be prepared enough to protect yourself, but not to fight a battle. 99% of us in this forum are already set on that front. But can we hike across 50 miles in the middle of winter? Do we know our neighbors?
 
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Way too much ammo. I keep a small supply for the sidearm in mine, no more than 24 rounds. Plus I keep about 100 rounds for the .22 LR. The CZ 452 and my CCW are the only things I'm taking with me. Everything else is too heavy. You have to be ruthless in your choices, and every ounce is critical. I already know the CZ will work for small game. In a pinch it will also serve as a poaching rifle for big game. So in the event I need to shoot something it will work. With the weight you save ditching all those magazines, pack more foodstuffs. My No. 1 favorite is instant oatmeal. It's far easier to prepare than rice or dried beans but provides the same carbs. Tins of meat are also very nice to have. Spam, hash, and other high-fat, high-calorie items are excellent. Don't bring stuff that requires lots of preparation.
 
My survival kits are tailored to what I might be surviving. The car kits all contain items necessary to surviving in the short term while preparing to survive until the emergency is over. Shelter, water and purification, food, first aid, cell charger, radio, flashlights, batteries, car tools, signaling devices, fire starters, knife, hatchet, shovel, kitty litter, blankets and spare clothing items are all included. Of course, my plan is to survive going off the road in the Wisconsin northwoods, severe weather or the like, not surviving the zombie apocalypse.

Frankly, I don't even include a firearm because the chance of it being used is pretty remote. I've been thinking about getting one of those SPOT locaters, anyone have or used one?
 
ricebasher302,

You do have way too much ammo. You are planning a survival kit, not a long range recon patrol. If you need a long gun for social use, you'll probably need it more to keep BG's heads down while you make your escape, rather than a drawn-out battle.

Good to consider pre-packaged food, even though you mention plentiful game, that may not be the case when you most need food. You could be hiking away from a forest fire where all game has skedaddled for days, or the population of Denver has spilled into your pristine forests due to some horrific event...polluting your water sources and scaring the wildlife. Being able to eat while on the march is faster than finding, shooting, gutting, sectioning and carrying a deer carcass over your shoulder.

You do need additional means to carry & purify water, the available water may become polluted by poisons, humans or dead animals. If you are reviewing the Katrina disaster, you'll see that having plenty of water did not equal "potable" water. Some more containers (light when empty) and a filtration unit will give you fast access while staying mobile.

Part of my "kit" includes a few rolls of silver dollars. Paper money or plastic may be useless that one time you really need to buy gas, food, or a ride on a bus outta Dodge.
 
Instead of carrying a bunch of water bottles, carry unlubricated condoms: They hold a decent amount of water at a low pressure (unlike rubber balloons). I hear that you can take a roll of toilet paper (sans core) and place it into a coffee can and fill with rubbing alcohol for a nice heater. Might want to think about a small amount of calcium carbide for fire in wet situations. Pictures and games are good for mental health and alertness. Notebook and pen(cil) to keep track of time and yourself. Lube, because unlubricated rubbers suck.
 
Instead of carrying a bunch of water bottles, carry unlubricated condoms: They hold a decent amount of water at a low pressure (unlike rubber balloons).

People throw this out all the time, but how do you plan on filling the condom from a stream? Is there enough pressure from running water to blow the condom up? How do you tie the end but keep it for reuse?

If you do find a faucet in the outdoors, how will you carry multiple condoms (or even one) while marching and not have them burst in your pack?

Toilet paper fire? Don't you think you could carry better materials than bulky TP in your pack, especially since wood appears to be available? Coffee can? Rubbing alcohol?
 
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