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Oh how the Sigma bashers love to congregate.:fire: Talk to the people that actually own one and you'll find that most believe that they have a great gun, me included. After a couple hundred rounds, which I believe every new gun should get for a break in the trigger smooths out just fine. I can shoot my Sigma 9ve much better than my dad's Beretta 92 and I spent about $350 less than he did. :D Oh by the way, I have had 0 malfunctions with my gun and he has about 10 through 500 rouds.:barf:
 
Got one with a laser Thanksgiving day at Gander Mountain for $259 (after S&W $50 rebate, $10 Coupon, and $80 Gander Mountain Bucks). I haven't put the laser on but it should be worth $25. The first box of White Box ammo shot 2" groups at 25 yards. I don't get more accurate than that with a pistol.
 
I shot one at the Smith and Wesson range, it seemed accurate enough. I bought a Glock instead due to a number of things but if my budget was limited I would have no qualms about carrying one.
 
I just bought a Sigma SW9VE. So far, it's very accurate and I haven't had a jam or misfire. And BTW, I like the trigger.
 
I have no problems with the Sigma, other than for a duty gun. The company is being cheap, and there are numberous other options I'd rather my employees be armed with for around the same price.
 
The company is being cheap, and there are numberous other options I'd rather my employees be armed with for around the same price.
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What are the numberous (sic) other options, available for around $300, that you'd rather carry?
 
This is based on my personal experience and nothing else.

I've been shooting these pistols for the last 2 years and fell in love with them. They fit my medium sized hands perfectly, are as accurate as I am, and are as reliable for me as the day is long. To top all of that off, they are some of the lowest cost reliable pistols on the market.

I now have 5 (four 3rd Gen & one 1st Gen) of them and each and every one of them has not caused me any problems. You will hear some folks complain that the trigger is horrible. Well, all I can say is that the trigger is very similar to a revolver being shot in double action mode. Some folks these days are not used to shooting DA revolvers. I'm planning on passing them along to my boys when they turn 21.

I get 1.5" to 2" groups with mine at 7 yards, and that's with ME shooting - some guy who wears bifocals!

In closing, I guess it could be dumb luck that I have 5 of them and never ran into problems, but what are the odds, eh?


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Hey guys I work for a private security company and they just bought a bunch of the SW sigmas for one of our new contracts. A couple of my coworker went to the range to qualify to get there hand gun permits last weekend and they all said its a piece of junk. I have never handled one or shot one but i do remember a while ago S&W was giving them away when you bought a M&P or AR from them. The guys said its not accurate at all. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks.
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My 1st gen .40 was so bad, I still won't touch another S&W auto. And, yes, I really did own it. Front sight fell out, wouldn't feed anything, had to have the feed ramp milled, slide-stop spring broke, and the front sight fell out. It's an example of what happens when a gun maker cuts every possible corner on an already cheap gun.

Get a used Glock.
 
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My 1st gen .40 was so bad, I still won't touch another S&W auto. And, yes, I really did own it. Front sight fell out, wouldn't feed anything, had to have the feed ramp milled, slide-stop spring broke, and the front sight fell out. It's an example of what happens when a gun maker cuts every possible corner on an already cheap gun.

Get a used Glock.
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Your used Glock logic is flawed, because you're comparing it to a new Sigma. By your logic we should all be buying used Springfield Loaded (base model) or Kimber Custom II / Classic Custom (again, base model) 1911s, because you can get those for the same price as a new Glock, and those guns blow Glock out of the water for what you get. You've also admitted in a previous thread that you never sent the gun back to S&W to let them fix it. Instead, you had a local gun smith hack on it. As far as Glock's superiority, you might want to read this http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/phase3.html. You should also keep in mind that Glock is the firearm make with a warning in both Surefire and Streamlight weapon light instructions cautioning that malfunctions may occur when a light is placed on the integrated rail.

What are the numberous (sic) other options, available for around $300, that you'd rather carry?
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How about a Ruger P95? $300 at Buds...

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ducts_id/18158
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Big Bill, you've named the only other new semi-auto I know of that competes with the Sigma on price and quality. Even with a caveat to Mljdeckard's used Glock suggestion, that's only two real competitors at the price point. Two is not a numerous quantity.
 
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+1 on the Ruger

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Big Bill, you've named the only other new semi-auto I know of that competes with the Sigma on price and quality. Even with a caveat to Mljdeckard's used Glock suggestion, that's only two real competitors at the price point. Two is not a numerous quantity. Last edited by ugaarguy; Today at 01:48 AM.
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My local gunsmith hack did authorized S&W warranty work on it, didn't charge me. It worked fine after that but I still didn't trust it. It was like driving a car with a rebuild in the title.

I bought a used Glock and carried it for years, darn near error-free. I bought a new Kimber Custom II which is the gun I use for everything, I don't ever see myself getting rid of it, it's very worn and still runs flawlessly. New or used is a perfectly fair comparison if every gun I have picked up BESIDES that new Sigma BEFORE OR SINCE has run better. Any company can make a lemon, but in the case of the Sigma, S&W planted a lemon farm, and had to make a new generation because it was so bad. The reason it angers me so much, is because there is not a reason on this planet why it couldn't have been done right the first time. You try to push off my experience as irrelevant, but it still happened. It's up to the reader to decide how much smoke equals fire, but when people ask for Sigma opinions, you can betcher bippie I will give it to them every time. I bought one, and this is what happened.
 
It worked fine after that but I still didn't trust it. It was like driving a car with a rebuild in the title.
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Any company can make a lemon, but in the case of the Sigma, S&W planted a lemon farm, and had to make a new generation because it was so bad. The reason it angers me so much, is because there is not a reason on this planet why it couldn't have been done right the first time. You try to push off my experience as irrelevant, but it still happened. It's up to the reader to decide how much smoke equals fire, but when people ask for Sigma opinions, you can betcher bippie I will give it to them every time. I bought one, and this is what happened.
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Get a used Glock.
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Glock finally stood up and took notice when the NYPD contacted Sturm Ruger and requested pricing and delivery times for that company to replace every Glock Model 19 currently in use by the department with one of the Ruger P-series 9 X 19mm pistols. In response, Glock began taking a look at the extractor and the geometry of the surfaces of the slide and barrel hood in the area of the ejection port. As a result of this situation Glock began to make an earnest effort to correct the problem by making modifications to the design of the Model 19.
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2.- In June 2002 NYPD revealed their own euphensim for this problem:

The Glock Remediation Program, designed to correct a rare but critical malfunction, began in June 2002. A total of 10,388 pistols were remediated in 2002 by Glock personnel in a special facility. This is nearly half of all Glock pistols used by members of the service. The Glock Remediation Program is ongoing and has been incorporated into cycle 2003-1, when all re*main*ing un*re*med*i*ated Glocks will be modified. In add*ition, all Glock pistols remediated in 2002 will be inspected. (NYPD Press Release)
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21,000 pistols in police service sounds like one heck of a lemon farm to me. Ohh wait, a used Glock with unknown history, and no written warranty, is always better than a new S&W with a written lifetime warranty. :rolleyes:
 
NYPD does not issue pistols, officers buy their on from a list of approved firearms. Ruger is not even on that list
 
Big Bill, you've named the only other new semi-auto I know of that competes with the Sigma on price and quality. Even with a caveat to Mljdeckard's used Glock suggestion, that's only two real competitors at the price point. Two is not a numerous quantity.
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Ruger as listed, EAA EZ9 or the Witness, Taurus pt anything :eek:, Bersa Thunder, even the used Sig p6 is a fantastic gun. Then we go to wheel guns: a good .357 Taurus or even a S & W is 350 dollars.

Bottom line, the "security" company is being damn cheap trying to spend 300 dollars on a duty weapon.
 
So, a company builds a really successful new kind of fire extinguisher. It revolutionizes the fire extinguisher industry by doing it very successfully, at least as well as it had been done before, mostly better. It changes how everyone thinks about fire extinguishers, except for some old timers who never change their minds about anything.

Then Acme builds a knock-off of this fire extinguisher. (So close that the original company successfully SUES them.) Exactly the same except the grip fits your hand better, and the lever pull is about three times heavier than the original. But the fire suppression publications rave about it, put it on the cover, and tout it as the next new thing. So you, being young and impressionable, believing everything you read in magazines, go and buy one. You figure that this is the newer, better version of the original that you can trust your life to.

Then as you are carrying this fire extinguisher home, The handle breaks off and it falls to the ground. You think to yourself; "That's odd. I must have gotten the one in a million that the factory screwed up. Oh well, I'm sure they will be happy to fix it." And the local repairman rolls his eyes as he puts a new lever on. Then you drive it home, and when you pull it out of your car, the nozzle isn't on it. It broke off on the seat. You drive back to the repairman, who doesn't say anything as he fixes it again. Then you test fire it, and it doesn't work. And something else breaks.

Now, I'll admit, I grew up in southern Utah, so I'm a little bit slow on the uptake, but I THINK, that when you buy a tool to SAVE YOUR LIFE, and everything on it is BREAKING, that's not a tool you can trust. Is the smart move to tell yourself, "Well geez, I've already replaced half of the critical parts, it HAS to work now!" or do you ask yourself; "If everything else broke, how can I trust the REST of it to work?" If this is a tool you are trusting your life to. GET RID OF IT< AND USE THE TOOL THAT SEEMS TO WORKK JUST FINE. Which I did. A LOT. No problems. Is it possible for the original brand of fire extinguisher to have problems? Of course it is. Nothing is going to have a perfect production rate. But there are items that are statistically much more likely to be successful.

As time goes by, I see Acme fire extinguishers, and I have a fire extinguisher that I know works. Is there any reason on this planet I should consider getting another Acme?

So then, years later, I see a guy who is looking to buy an Acme fire extinguisher. I hear him asking the guy behind the counter; "I like the way this feels. How well do they work? I mean, I'm trusting my life to it, I want to know it is good." Should I shut up? Should I LIE and tell them mine was fine? Or should I tell him what happened and let him decide?
 
sadly mljdeckard i dont believe that your sigma feel apart twice... i and my father both have the sw9ve and they so far have been great... almost all who own them will tell u they are great... reliable and accurate... gun snobs however will tell u all kinds of things that are wrong with them yet they have no idea what they are talking about ... get a used glock instead of a new sigma... pure gun snob garbage... the difference between a new glock and a new sigma in my opinion is roughly 300 bucks and comfort in hand..
 
So I'm making this up for poops and giggles. I have.......all kinds of reasons to lie, don't I?

I'll tell you what's at least as bad as a gun snob. Someone who bought something cheap, and is praying that they didn't buy some magic beans, so they believe everything good about it, and refuse to believe anything bad.
 
hey im just saying... 2 pages full of good comments and like 3 bad ones... mostly saying that gun cant be good its only 250 new holy crap ..
 
I got a Sigma 40 ve last year and like a S&W it goes bang and hits the 9 and X at 15 yards. While they had some issues early on Smith got the kinks out and the VE series are fine SA for the money. I carry mine regularly. But I dislike and would not own a KA-BOOM Glock with it's non fully supported chamber. Try it and see how it works for you.
 
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