Swedish Mauser Loading Question

Denny Gibson

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I just purchased an exceptionally nice Swedish Mauser (6.5x55). I've never reloaded this cartridge. Can I get some good suggestions for a load? I'm interested in both full power loads and low-recoil loads. I have quite a lot of H4895 so I'm particularly interested in loads with that powder but please don't let that limit your ideas. I'd like to hear them all! I will mainly shoot this rifle in an old-fart 50m match with everyone shooting old military rifles. I won't be shooting more than 300 yards (the limits of my club).

Thanks in advance!
 
I have a few and have really come to prefer 140s and slower powders: 4350 and 4831. Even my bubba’d artillery short barrel seems to prefer these powders. Unfortunately, I have no experience with H4895 in 6.5x55. I did work up a load in IMR4064many years ago but that was for a 129 grs bullet as I recall. I believe it was just satisfactory.
 
I've always shot 140's in mine. IMR 4831 works very well with those. I did have a load with IMR 4895 that had the same zero at 100 that the 4831 had at 200. I'm sure that you can figure out something good with your H4895.
 
Thanks folks! None of the manuals list h4895 for this cartridge. Guess I need to buy some 4350 and 4831. The reason I like h4895 is its ability to reduce the powder charge (up to a point) without the normal resulting inconsistently.
 
Mine was a modern Howa in 6.5x55, and surprisingly it shot the 120 gr Sierra Pro Hunter over IMR-4064 the most consistently. It did okay with the usually recommended 140 gr bullets with slower burning powder like 4350, 4831 and Reloder 22, but the lighter weight bullet with the medium burn rate powder was better in my rifle. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if H-4895 and a good 120 gr bullet worked well together.
 
My best performing loads are 156gr bullets I got as a Midway blem over 4831, and 140 Barnes Match Burners over 4064
 
Nice … I think I’ll buy some 120g bullets. These rifles are known for somewhat gentle recoil and the lighter bullets will help as well.

The match I shoot with these rifles are 80 rounds total … the recoil wears on me (85 years old).
 
My best load is with Hornady SST 140gr and IMR4350. It is a sub-moa shooter with aperture sights. Mine is from 1900 and with a scope, I am pretty sure it coudl cloverleaf. Even with max loads, recoil is negligible in my opinion. I have shot it out to 500 meters with high success. For whatever reason, this is the one rifle I think I could give to anyone and they could shoot it benchrest around 1 MOA.
 
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The thing to remember, Swedish Mausers were made out of plain carbon steels for a round that had a maximum specified pressure of 3000 atmospheres. About 43,300 pounds per square inch. The steels used are much weaker than modern alloy steels, and carbon steels have a history of breaking without warning. Carbon steels take less energy to break a low temperatures, and their fatigue life is less. They were however, cheap, and a known quantity in the 1890's. The Swedes being conservative and loathe to change, never used more advanced steels, even through WW2. Early receivers are to be considered of lower metallurgical quality than later, just due to the in process control technologies. Higher pressure loads have set receiver seats back and caused receiver rings to fragment. I am going to claim 308 Win conversions on Swedish Mausers are dangerous, and a bomb waiting to go kaboom. The round primarily got excellent velocity because the infantry rifle had a 29 inch barrel.

In a 1950's American Rifleman magazine, a 140 grain bullet with 43.0 grains IMR 4350 was declared to be a service rifle equivalent load. That load has been my "standard" till I found IMR 4831/H4831. My velocity standard has been taken from actual service rifle rounds. This is not exact as old gunpowder actually increases in pressure, but if mine is still"good", then the velocities are valid.

M1896 Infantry Rifle 29' barrel Carl Gustafs mfgr 1903

17-Aug-06 T = 85 °F
143 gr FMJ 1986 Swedish Ball

Ave Vel = 2610
Std Dev = 14.38
ES = 45.59
High = 2633
Low = 2587
N = 8

Wzj1KHn.jpg


M38 Infantry Carbine 24" barrel

28-Oct-94 T ? 60 °F

143 gr 1986 Swedish Ball OAL 3.065" 47.4 grs powder average

Ave Vel = 2427
STD=22
ES = 62
Low = 2395
High = 2457
Number rounds= 10

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M700  22" Barrel      
                                           
143  gr Swedish Ball 1986 headstamp           
                                               
2 Feb 2008 T = 54 °F                         
 
Ave Vel =2470
Std Dev =18
ES =48
High =2491
Low =2443
N =5

140 gr Hornady Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350  R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990" 

2 Feb 2008 T = 52 °F   

Ave Vel = 2512     
Std Dev = 27     
ES = 72     
High = 2547     
Low = 2475     
N = 5   

140 gr Hornady Spire Point (0.264") 43.0 grs AA4350 new R-P cases  CCI 200 OAL 2.990" loaded 2-5-2000
2 Nov  2017  T=72  °F

Ave Vel =2531           
Std Dev =14
ES =33
High =2540
Low =2507
N=5

140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 2-22-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"

2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F       
   
Ave Vel = 2548         
Std Dev =11         
ES =28           
High =2566         
Low =2538         
N =5         

140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs H4831 wtd lot 01-06-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
  2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F       
        
Ave Vel = 2419         
Std Dev = 31         
ES = 88         
High = 2477         
Low = 2389 
N = 8

gkwHyyX.jpg


Same day, same ammunition, different barrel, velocities will be different.

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Winchester M70 Featherweight 22" Barrel 

143.5 gr FMJBT Swedish 1986 ball. OAL 3.065"  47.4 grs powder average
 13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2460        
Std Dev = 21       
ES = 30       
High = 2474       
Low = 2444       
N = 5     

Very good group                                  
                                                                         

140 gr Hornady Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350  R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990" 
     
18 Nov 2007 T =  75 °F     
     
Ave Vel = 2428    
Std Dev = 29     
ES = 95     
High = 2480     
Low = 2385     
N = 24     

easy bolt life, nice rounded primers   


140 gr Hornady Spire Point (0.264") 43.0 grs AA4350 new R-P cases  CCI 200 OAL 2.990"
     loaded 2-2000

13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     
    
Ave Vel = 2387      
Std Dev = 23     
ES = 67     
High = 2424     
Low = 2357     
N = 15     

Best group of all reloads     
     

140 gr Hornady Spire Point Flat Base (0.264") 43.0 grs AA4350 new R-P cases  CCI 200 OAL 2.990"  loaded 2-5-2000
2 Nov  2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2413      
Std Dev = 17       
ES = 50       
High = 2441       
Low = 2391       
N = 6       
     
140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 2-22-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F  
   
Ave Vel = 2419      
Std Dev = 19      
ES = 43       
High = 2439       
Low = 2396       
N = 5     
  

140 gr Sierra Matchking  greased 45.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 2-22-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F     
    
Ave Vel = 2438      
Std Dev = 12       
ES = 30       
High = 2448       
Low = 2418       
N = 5     

140 gr Hornady SP (0.264") greased 47.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 282 NNY cases Fed 210S OAL 3.050"
13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     
   
Ave Vel = 2633      
Std Dev = 24     
ES = 81     
High = 2680     
Low = 2599     
N = 10     

140 gr Hornady SP (0.264") greased 48.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 282 NNY cases Fed 210S OAL 3.050"
13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2688      
Std Dev = 16     
ES = 44     
High = 2705     
Low = 2661     
N = 10     
  
Overmax load, primer cupping around firing pin, shiny rub marks on case heads

140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs H4831 wtd lot 01-06-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
   

2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2289      
Std Dev = 9       
ES = 16       
High = 2296       
Low = 2280       
N = 5

Wpl2oYN.jpg


This cartridge is at its best with slow burning powders, therefore I did not test faster burning. But if you are going to use a 4895, don't push velocities. Stay at least within Swedish velocities, under the assumption, the pressures will be safe. I don't see any reason to go heavier than a 140 grain bullet in this cartridge.

The Swedish round is an excellent one, and because of its increased case capacity over the 6.5 Creedmore, it will push a bullet faster, at the same pressures. I knew one Highpower shooter who had a single shot M700 chambered in 6.5 Swede that he used in long range competition. The 308 Win sized action was only usable as a single shot. The primary reasons the cartridge did not take over the firing line in the US were 1) the round was too long for a 308 Win magazine, and 2) good target 6.5 caliber bullets did not start appearing till the mid 1990's. During the post WW2 period to 1968, when the Army wrote the NRA Highpower rules, there might have been 30-06 and 308 Win only requirements. However, I say from mid 1990's onward, when good 6.5 grain target bullets were easy to find, cartridges such as the 6.5-08 and 6.5 wildcats started appearing on the firing line, and they were shooting knots, with very little windage and elevation required! The things were flat. At 600 yards, my 308 rounds crested at the top of the target before hitting center. The 6.5 rounds were cresting somewhere in the black. And at 1000 yards, 6.5 caliber bullets were incredibly flat compared to the 308 bullets I was using. My 308 bullets, you could pick up the trace multiple target diameters as they dropped in. The 6.5's a little above the target.
 
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The thing to remember, Swedish Mausers were made out of plain carbon steels for a round that had a maximum specified pressure of 3000 atmospheres. About 43,300 pounds per square inch. The steels used are much weaker than modern alloy steels, and carbon steels have a history of breaking without warning. Carbon steels take less energy to break a low temperatures, and their fatigue life is less. They were however, cheap, and a known quantity in the 1890's. The Swedes being conservative and loathe to change, never used more advanced steels, even through WW2. Early receivers are to be considered of lower metallurgical quality than later, just due to the in process control technologies. Higher pressure loads have set receiver seats back and caused receiver rings to fragment. I am going to claim 308 Win conversions on Swedish Mausers are dangerous, and a bomb waiting to go kaboom. The round primarily got excellent velocity because the infantry rifle had a 29 inch barrel.

In a 1950's American Rifleman magazine, a 140 grain bullet with 43.0 grains IMR 4350 was declared to be a service rifle equivalent load. That load has been my "standard" till I found IMR 4831/H4831. My velocity standard has been taken from actual service rifle rounds. This is not exact as old gunpowder actually increases in pressure, but if mine is still"good", then the velocities are valid.

M1896 Infantry Rifle 29' barrel Carl Gustafs mfgr 1903

17-Aug-06 T = 85 °F
143 gr FMJ 1986 Swedish Ball

Ave Vel = 2610
Std Dev = 14.38
ES = 45.59
High = 2633
Low = 2587
N = 8

Wzj1KHn.jpg


M38 Infantry Carbine 24" barrel

28-Oct-94 T ? 60 °F

143 gr 1986 Swedish Ball OAL 3.065" 47.4 grs powder average

Ave Vel = 2427
STD=22
ES = 62
Low = 2395
High = 2457
Number rounds= 10

Code:
M700  22" Barrel      
                                           
143  gr Swedish Ball 1986 headstamp           
                                               
2 Feb 2008 T = 54 °F                         
 
Ave Vel =2470
Std Dev =18
ES =48
High =2491
Low =2443
N =5

140 gr Hornady Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350  R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990" 

2 Feb 2008 T = 52 °F   

Ave Vel = 2512     
Std Dev = 27     
ES = 72     
High = 2547     
Low = 2475     
N = 5   

140 gr Hornady Spire Point (0.264") 43.0 grs AA4350 new R-P cases  CCI 200 OAL 2.990" loaded 2-5-2000
2 Nov  2017  T=72  °F

Ave Vel =2531           
Std Dev =14
ES =33
High =2540
Low =2507
N=5

140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 2-22-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"

2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F       
   
Ave Vel = 2548         
Std Dev =11         
ES =28           
High =2566         
Low =2538         
N =5         

140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs H4831 wtd lot 01-06-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
  2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F       
        
Ave Vel = 2419         
Std Dev = 31         
ES = 88         
High = 2477         
Low = 2389 
N = 8

gkwHyyX.jpg


Same day, same ammunition, different barrel, velocities will be different.

Code:
Winchester M70 Featherweight 22" Barrel 

143.5 gr FMJBT Swedish 1986 ball. OAL 3.065"  47.4 grs powder average
 13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2460        
Std Dev = 21       
ES = 30       
High = 2474       
Low = 2444       
N = 5     

Very good group                                  
                                                                         

140 gr Hornady Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350  R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990" 
     
18 Nov 2007 T =  75 °F     
     
Ave Vel = 2428    
Std Dev = 29     
ES = 95     
High = 2480     
Low = 2385     
N = 24     

easy bolt life, nice rounded primers   


140 gr Hornady Spire Point (0.264") 43.0 grs AA4350 new R-P cases  CCI 200 OAL 2.990"
     loaded 2-2000

13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     
    
Ave Vel = 2387      
Std Dev = 23     
ES = 67     
High = 2424     
Low = 2357     
N = 15     

Best group of all reloads     
     

140 gr Hornady Spire Point Flat Base (0.264") 43.0 grs AA4350 new R-P cases  CCI 200 OAL 2.990"  loaded 2-5-2000
2 Nov  2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2413      
Std Dev = 17       
ES = 50       
High = 2441       
Low = 2391       
N = 6       
     
140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 2-22-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F  
   
Ave Vel = 2419      
Std Dev = 19      
ES = 43       
High = 2439       
Low = 2396       
N = 5     
  

140 gr Sierra Matchking  greased 45.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 2-22-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F     
    
Ave Vel = 2438      
Std Dev = 12       
ES = 30       
High = 2448       
Low = 2418       
N = 5     

140 gr Hornady SP (0.264") greased 47.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 282 NNY cases Fed 210S OAL 3.050"
13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     
   
Ave Vel = 2633      
Std Dev = 24     
ES = 81     
High = 2680     
Low = 2599     
N = 10     

140 gr Hornady SP (0.264") greased 48.0 grs IMR 4831 wtd lot 282 NNY cases Fed 210S OAL 3.050"
13 Oct 2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2688      
Std Dev = 16     
ES = 44     
High = 2705     
Low = 2661     
N = 10     
  
Overmax load, primer cupping around firing pin, shiny rub marks on case heads

140 gr Hornady SP  greased 45.0 grs H4831 wtd lot 01-06-2014 new R-P cases CCI 200 OAL 3.065"
   

2 Nov 2017  T=72  °F     

Ave Vel = 2289      
Std Dev = 9       
ES = 16       
High = 2296       
Low = 2280       
N = 5

Wpl2oYN.jpg


This cartridge is at its best with slow burning powders, therefore I did not test faster burning. But if you are going to use a 4895, don't push velocities. Stay at least within Swedish velocities, under the assumption, the pressures will be safe. I don't see any reason to go heavier than a 140 grain bullet in this cartridge.

The Swedish round is an excellent one, and because of its increased case capacity over the 6.5 Creedmore, it will push a bullet faster, at the same pressures. I knew one Highpower shooter who had a single shot M700 chambered in 6.5 Swede that he used in long range competition. The 308 Win sized action was only usable as a single shot. The primary reasons the cartridge did not take over the firing line in the US were 1) the round was too long for a 308 Win magazine, and 2) good target 6.5 caliber bullets did not start appearing till the mid 1990's. During the post WW2 period to 1968, when the Army wrote the NRA Highpower rules, there might have been 30-06 and 308 Win only requirements. However, I say from mid 1990's onward, when good 6.5 grain target bullets were easy to find, cartridges such as the 6.5-08 and 6.5 wildcats started appearing on the firing line, and they were shooting knots, with very little windage and elevation required! The things were flat. At 600 yards, my 308 rounds crested at the top of the target before hitting center. The 6.5 rounds were cresting somewhere in the black. And at 1000 yards, 6.5 caliber bullets were incredibly flat compared to the 308 bullets I was using. My 308 bullets, you could pick up the trace multiple target diameters as they dropped in. The 6.5's a little above the target.
 
from hodgdon's # 26 manual in a long barreled 96 action and with no specified bullet, 120's start 39.0(2792fps) h4895, max 41.0(2945fps) h4895 and 140's start 35.0(2540fps) and max 38.0(2701fps) Best o Luck
 
I think Hodgdon's data may be aggressive.

Speer #15 goes into the best detail of the manuals I have on hand concerning military Swedish Mausers, and they say keep military actions under 46,000psi (yes, I know the difference with CUP.) The Hodgdon 4064 recipe: for 140gr bullets:
IMR 4064
3.030" 35.0 2,394 39,500 CUP 38.0 2,563 45,800 CUP

Speer doesn't list pressures, but their 140gr data for 4064 in a military action is 31gr-33gr with a max velocity of 2300
For commercial actions, the load from the same book is 34-36 with a max of 2462.

My 33gr load is way more accurate than me at 300 yards. I'm just hunting paper with this, though. If you fall in love with the cartridge (and you will) then look for a modern bolt for hot rod loads. Or other 6.5 loads can share the same components mostly.
 
Just be aware that I've been at milsurp matches where 2 have suffered a catastrophic disassembly due to HOT loads, one using a PMC factory load IIRC. Swedes don't have that 3rd locking lug, ya' know?

For low power loads, you can't beat cast lead bullets and the CE Harris load of Alliant 2400, nickle-sized groups @ 50-yards.
 
Just be aware that I've been at milsurp matches where 2 have suffered a catastrophic disassembly due to HOT loads, one using a PMC factory load IIRC. Swedes don't have that 3rd locking lug, ya' know?

For low power loads, you can't beat cast lead bullets and the CE Harris load of Alliant 2400, nickle-sized groups @ 50-yards.
I read a lot of people running current loaded ammo with the SE clearly visible on the box. They swear up and down its safe and I'm just scared. Well one thing I know for sure is my little cast load isn't going to damage my rifle and I got others for hot rodding.
I've herd a lot about how hard lead is to get shooting, I'd say go slower till it does.
The sweed has its own section in reloading manuals. Unless the data is marked sweed I don't use it. Screenshot_20240424_105808_Chrome.jpg
 
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