sword canes
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hardluk1
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It would be a Sword cane is a concealed weapon and florida has some, a, vague laws with knives. But a common folder up to 4 3/4" is fine . Are you not legal to carry a handgun concealed? Better just stay with a basic wood cane. read up on floridas current laws. read up here.
http://thefiringline.com/library/blades/knifelaws.html
http://thefiringline.com/library/blades/knifelaws.html
Owen Sparks
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Sword canes are illegal in many places and will not pass a metal detector. The good news is that you really don't need one! A regular wooden cane is a formidable weapon provided you practice with it and it weighs at least a pound. The best part is that they are legal EVERYWHERE, even on airplanes because they are covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) as protected medical devices. Please go to the Non-firearm weapons forum and learn more as this is a common topic there.
Loosedhorse
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Commonly available sword canes are NOT mean to bear weight. If you need a cane, use a cane--a sturdy one.
Owen's got a great point. You might want to get a note from your doc, so that there's no hassle from TSA about forcing you to check your cane.
Owen's got a great point. You might want to get a note from your doc, so that there's no hassle from TSA about forcing you to check your cane.
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Sword canes are mostly cheap junk unless you spend some seriously big bucks for a good one.
Not to mention the concealed weapon laws in many places.
You could be fine in one side of the street and breaking the law on the other side of the street if it is a boundary line between two different jurisdictions.
You would be better armed, and far less likely to get arrested, with a real hickory livestock cane like grandpa carried.
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Not to mention the concealed weapon laws in many places.
You could be fine in one side of the street and breaking the law on the other side of the street if it is a boundary line between two different jurisdictions.
You would be better armed, and far less likely to get arrested, with a real hickory livestock cane like grandpa carried.
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lloveless
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What RC said. NASCO has some fine < $20 hickory stock canes. I bought one and boiled the crook to open it up some. Put a crutch tip on it and away we go. Check out the Korean martial art called Boon Sang Do.
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I understand that cane usage is universally protected by the Americans with Disabilities act. Requiring a doctor's note would be a violation of your rights.
A sturdy middle to heavyweight cane, with a little practice, is legal literally everywhere and extremely effective at assault range. Adding a sword would do little to increase your ability to protect yourself, while opening you up to all kinds of potential legal trouble.
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A sturdy middle to heavyweight cane, with a little practice, is legal literally everywhere and extremely effective at assault range. Adding a sword would do little to increase your ability to protect yourself, while opening you up to all kinds of potential legal trouble.
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You might check out the offerings from Cold Steel for a walking stick that is built to handle a bit more than a regular stick.
http://www.coldsteel.com/slim-stick.html
http://www.coldsteel.com/slim-stick.html
Florida's license is a "concealed weapon OR firearm license." Under the definition of terms, concealed knives are covered by the license, as well as brass knuckes and saps. Concealed swords are not specifically addressed in the statutes, but I think the concept of "concealed weapon" applies.
Lots of sword cane discussions have gone on here and the end state on all of them is that they're a never worth the money spent until you spend a lot of money (if you have training in blades of that length) AND that they're almost always illegal to carry putting you in range of jail/prison.
The other end state, as pointed out, is that you're usually better off getting a real cane that you can do some real damage with instead of a toy you don't know how to use.
IOW, sword canes a bad idea.
The other end state, as pointed out, is that you're usually better off getting a real cane that you can do some real damage with instead of a toy you don't know how to use.
IOW, sword canes a bad idea.
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Owen Sparks
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Legal issues aside, another problem with sword canes is that any sword small enough to be concealed inside a 1" diamiter stick just does not have enough mass to be used for anything besides a straight thrust. You give up practically all cutting ability. A heavy stick gives you blunt force trauma which is a much better fight stopper.
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The one exception to inexpensive sword canes being worth anything is the Cold Steel Heavy Duty cane sword. The cane cane be used as a support cane, more than heavy enough for that. The blade is both long enough and heavy enough to be used for slashing and thrusting with the body of the cane in the off hand far parry and clubbing. I own one of these and it is a actual working tool, not a toy like most inexpensive sword canes. It also looks very plain giving the appearance of a orthopedic cane.
Would I try to take it on a plane? Of course not...but it has been a comfort in other places.
Would I try to take it on a plane? Of course not...but it has been a comfort in other places.
Loosedhorse
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Bergers are a thing of beauty, but at a starting price of $450 they should be.
voicomp
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Carry a hardwood cane and practice some half-staff (aka Tambo in Japanese Martial Arts) skills. If you do get cornered into whacking someone upside the head, a cane gives a better first impression than the (argueably concealed) edged weapon to people who will be making important decisions about what happens next after an unpleasantness (like police officers). Also, a good 36" stick has more reach than the 16 or 18" blade you might get from a sword cane....
FWIW, the preceeding opinion is brought to you by someone with training in western fencing and eastern half-staff but never having had to apply either.
Additional FWIW's: Thinking about it further, I own both and the sword canes are stored a lot less conveniently than the tambo. The tambo is about as convenient as one of my rapid access handguns. Also, I have never carried a sword-cane in public but have used a real cane on occasion... plus I "spotted" a sword-cane at about 30' once because it made a noise I recognized as the blade shifted in the shaft (I know that call was right because the weapon was being used in a stage play and my ex-wife, who was in the play, confirmed my hunch)....
FWIW, the preceeding opinion is brought to you by someone with training in western fencing and eastern half-staff but never having had to apply either.
Additional FWIW's: Thinking about it further, I own both and the sword canes are stored a lot less conveniently than the tambo. The tambo is about as convenient as one of my rapid access handguns. Also, I have never carried a sword-cane in public but have used a real cane on occasion... plus I "spotted" a sword-cane at about 30' once because it made a noise I recognized as the blade shifted in the shaft (I know that call was right because the weapon was being used in a stage play and my ex-wife, who was in the play, confirmed my hunch)....
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There is actually a 9mm cane-gun available, you would need an aow tax stamp tho...
We don't advise anyone to carry a cane that is something other than a cane upon examination. A sturdy cane and a little training can go anywhere without question and won't have the default classification as a deadly concealed weapon.
While gun canes and sword canes are available and may be legal, their price and the liabilities around them make them nearly pointless for real SD purposes in a community that allows CCW.
OTOH, if you can afford one and have the good sense to leave it at home, unless you have enough money to buy lawyers to get you out of the trouble they can get you into, they're interesting novelties and collectables.
While gun canes and sword canes are available and may be legal, their price and the liabilities around them make them nearly pointless for real SD purposes in a community that allows CCW.
OTOH, if you can afford one and have the good sense to leave it at home, unless you have enough money to buy lawyers to get you out of the trouble they can get you into, they're interesting novelties and collectables.
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Most of what I'd say has already been said here, but I'll add my endorsement to it. Sword canes can be interesting items for a very small and unique clique of collectors, but they are in no way serious weapons. They're not nearly as effective used as weapons as either a cane or a knife would be (read up on the late Jim Bowie and the Sandbar Fight about this) and if you do get into a situation where you need to actually use one you're likely to find yourself in legal trouble afterwards.
Why rely on an arm-chair ninja weapon that will be less effective and get you into trouble (if it works and you don't end up dead or beat to hell) because of a perceived cool factor over a more effective tool that is a legitimate everyday item? If I don't have my .45 Auto or my P32 Kel-Tec, I most likely have my Cold Steel City Stick with the polished metal pistol grip handle, which I don't see for sale anymore except for occasionally on eBay. It's very effective and useful to my hurt back.
The tool you select matters, but if you're looking for something with which to defend yourself, the thing I'd say is the most important is between your ears. The late Col. Jeff Cooper taught extensively about mindset, and even the Gunny in Full Metal Jacket has a good saying:
"...Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead..."
Why rely on an arm-chair ninja weapon that will be less effective and get you into trouble (if it works and you don't end up dead or beat to hell) because of a perceived cool factor over a more effective tool that is a legitimate everyday item? If I don't have my .45 Auto or my P32 Kel-Tec, I most likely have my Cold Steel City Stick with the polished metal pistol grip handle, which I don't see for sale anymore except for occasionally on eBay. It's very effective and useful to my hurt back.
The tool you select matters, but if you're looking for something with which to defend yourself, the thing I'd say is the most important is between your ears. The late Col. Jeff Cooper taught extensively about mindset, and even the Gunny in Full Metal Jacket has a good saying:
"...Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead..."
voicomp
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perhaps we have learned a different terminology... my understanding of it is Tambo = half staff (or, for a "normal" size person, ideal length = height of hip joint); cudgel would be perhaps more like what I would call Jo (5' or height of bottom of neck/top of shoulder). I could be wrong but I am sure my Senseii was clear on the definitions he chose to give...
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