Tactical Reloads: The Whens and Whys

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IIRC, Cooper was a fan of tactical reloads. I never attended Gunsite bit I've read if you fired until slide lock, you owed the class a round of beers at the end of the training day
Cooper espoused the concept of the tactical reload in or around 1960/1962 in his writings for G&A. He was big on you the shooter remembering your round count. He has his supporters and those individuals that don't necessary agree with his every utterance/written word that he articulated.

As a perspective Cooper's WW2 experience was as the Marine detachment commander of the battleship USS Pennsylvania and during the Korean Conflict clandestine service in the Far East. During Viet-Nam he reapplied for active duty status but was turned down due to age in grade.
 
I don't see keeping track of round count as a realistic option outside of a square range or competition. Not under the expected effects of high stress and adrenaline. For Tier 1 unit members, maybe, because they are so highly stress-innoculated and now days have lots of actual combat experience.

Heck, if a person hasn't done any FoF training (a lot less stressful than a real gunfight), try it and try to keep track of your round count. Good luck!
 
I respectfully disagree for the following reasons. First is that if the bad guy is still on his feet and shooting it wouldn't make sense to stop shooting yourself as long as you have any rounds left in your gun. Run the gun dry then worry about reloading. I think we both agree on that.

If for whatever reason the bad guy goes behind cover, or is down but you can't confirm if he's still a threat, you want to keep him covered with your pistol and 2,3,4, or however many rounds are left in your mag and minimize the amount of time you're standing there with only the one round that's in the chamber. Reaching for the spare first enables this. I don't really want to be fumbling around on the ground for a mag if there is still an active threat.

Ultimately this only applies if and when I think a tactical reload is necessary. If I'm carrying multiple mags I might not even bother. I might just drop the mag and forget it if I feel I have enough ammo finish the fight without it.

Give it a shot. It shouldn't add any appreciable time to the reload with a little practice.

Complex and fine motor skills are severely hampered in life or death situations, such as gunfights. With this in mind, I don't want to have two magazines in one hand at any time when I am trying to reload. That's just me. YMMV
 
Ah, the perennial "tactical reload" dilemma.

This wasn't such a topic for discussion back when we carried revolvers. Nor is it much of a critical training topic nowadays for folks who carry revolvers as either secondary weapons (on-duty) or off-duty.

Yes, when we transitioned from revolvers to duty pistols the training common to that time came to involve "tac reloads", and some of us who have been doing them since that time have developed the ability to do them without having to stop and think about it. By now it's more of a habit, than anything. I've watched some of our older instructors do a "tac reload" after firing several shots, moving to a different shooting position (like to cover, or to another barricade position), do one without even having realized they'd done it until someone asked about it.

Yes, it's done with retention, and involves bringing the new mag to the weapon, replacing the existing, partially depleted, mag with the fresh one very quickly.

The rub usually comes when deciding what to teach to new LE shooters from time to time, and when to emphasize the purported practicality and utility of the "tac reload" to newer shooters.

The idea of a "lull" in an active shooting incident looks good on TV and in some movies, and may be something designed into some training or competitive venues, but it's not an easy one to find illustrated in LE shootings, let alone non-LE private citizen shooting incidents. Or, as the guy currently running the FTU at my former agency once asked an earnest, less experienced firearms instructor who wanted to have more emphasis on "tac reloads" in some training, find him 5 examples where it happened and was useful during LE shootings in the last 50 years. Then, show him where it actually was demonstrated to have been a critical advantage during those shootings, versus reloading from slide-lock.

We still teach it, but its emphasis is not very high on the list of manipulative and shooting skills considered important or critical for most beginning and average skilled shooters to learn to master. It's more of an intermediate/advanced skill taught at some point, and the relative advantages/disadvantages are usually discussed whenever it's being required as part of training or general quals, leaving it up to the shooters to decide, off the range (on the 'street'), when/if it might be appropriate for them to use in an actual situation.

Another thing to consider is whether an "over emphasis" on retaining a mag for a "tac reload" may confuse someone, and therefore hinder them, in performing a manipulation to resolve a mag-related stoppage & functioning problem where the existing mag is thought to be the cause of the problem.

If we're teaching strip/dropping of the primary mag, for replacement with another mag to resolve a mag-related issue, is putting a priority on retaining the primary mag in a "tac reload" going to cause confusion, or a skill mix-up, for the suddenly stressed shooter having to now resolve a mag-related stoppage problem in the midst of a shooting incident?

Personally, I'd rather ingrain a smooth response for addressing a possible mag-related problem, and that generally means stripping/dumping the suspected problem mag so a fresh one can be inserted as quickly as humanly possible, under stress. An "emergency" reload, if you will. Just as much of an emergency as a suddenly dry weapon. The partially depleted mag, suspected of being involved in causing the stoppage, can be discarded and become part of the evidence at the scene, and be carefully examined at a later time during the investigation. ;)

Nowadays I see the idea of a "tac reload", meaning with retention, as being more of an advanced skill, and probably not one that's going to be employed in very many situations where a LE shooter has encountered a "lull" in their dynamic, chaotic, rapidly evolving and highly stressful shooting incident.

Those of us who were required to invest so many years and countless range hours to learn, practice and ingrain the skill? Well, it's nice to be able to do one without having to stop and give it a lot of thought, and be able to demonstrate it to newer shooters as a variation on a manipulative skill that might, maybe, become useful some day, I suppose. Perhaps we're just unwitting 'victims' of the earlier training of our time.

By that, I mean those of us who once carried service revolvers, and who didn't really emphasize a specific technique to "top off" our partially spent revolvers using a dedicated "tac reload" ... although there were still a lot of bullet loops and dump pouches (for loose rounds) seen on gun belts back in those days, even with speedloaders pretty much being ubiquitous. I do remember some of the guys who wore Buscadero gun belts having not only bullet loops, but a separate single or double bullet loop on the front of their belt, ahead of their holster (meaning with the bulk of the bullet loops located to the "rear" of their holster, on the back of their belts). Those were usually considered to be placed on the gun belts so they were more easily accessible, if the shooter only fired 1 or 2 fired rounds and wanted to replace them.

Just some thoughts.
 
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I think the best "tactical reload" is to draw the second handgun, holster the first handgun, and do a one-handed reload of the first handgun during the "lull." This presumes that the second handgun is reasonably quickly accessible, and it helps if one is functionally ambidextrous. (I am.) Ideally, both handguns are of the same system, accepting the same magazines, though this is not a requirement. I can foresee trying to insert a magazine into the incorrect auto-pistol, under stress, so if carrying differing systems, might rather one be a serious revolver, though 40+ hours a week, at present, I am carrying one 1911 and one G26, which at least have widely-differing magazines. (My "serious" small revolver, since 1997, has been the SP101; I can get all of my skinny fingers firmly on the factory grip.)

As I move toward either seeking a plainclothes assignment, or retiring from LEO-ing altogether, it seems my new two-gun combo will tend to be some combination of my three G19 and one G26 pistols, though there is nothing all that wrong with a full-sized 1911 + G26, my usual on-duty combo. (It is possible to dress around two 1911 pistols, and I have done so, but I prefer all-steel, and 5" barrels, which takes considerable commitment to conceal in the Texas heat.) I can get all of my fingers firmly locked onto a Gen4 G19 grip; the groove spacing actually working quite well for me.

The G19 is a very size-efficient, semi-compact pistol; others would work as well, but one factor favoring the G19, for me, has been my employer's somewhat complex, and evolving, duty pistol policy.
 
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I practiced Tactical Reloads (reload with retention) mostly due to it having been a requirement for IDPA and several classes I've taken. In honesty I don't want to estimate whether it's a worthwhile skill to work on based on the odds of having to use it in reality, especially if it's at the expense of other things. An article in this month's Rangemaster Newsletter seems to agree. Check out the "Lessons Learned from 5000 Gunfights" item # 2 on page 3:

http://www.rangemaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2017-02_RFTS-Newsletter.pdf

Chuck
 
That's a really good article Chuck and mirrors my thoughts based on the research I've done. One minor nit to pick, #1 empty-hand skills are rare. This is very true as an observation, but doesn't mean it isn't important!

It is kinda a chicken or egg issue. They are rare because hardly anyone has any H2H skills and because if they have a gun, they tend to focus on the gun to exclusion of all else. However, I have seen many videos of gunfights (LE and civilian) where going H2H would have been the best option and probably resulted in the good guys getting less holes in them. A classic example is any time when the BG goes to draw a gun in their waist band and the cop or citizen (at an arm's length) backs up and draws their gun. Trade of gunfire, usually both get hit.

Better option, they go to draw, you go H2H and end it while the hands are occupied.

Regarding #2, reloads. I agree you probably won't need one, but emergency reloads always make the training cut because you have to reload the gun anyway to keep practicing with it (unless you shoot 1 mag and go home with an empty gun). So, makes sense to reload it like you mean it instead of just slowly and administratively going through the motions.
 
I'm with John, if it wasn't for IDPA nobody would even be talking about "tactical reloads." It only has a needed place in military or LE MOUT/CQB IMO. Lots of "lulls" in those fights with separate rooms and buildings as cover and teammates pulling security. If you just fired rounds in a room, makes sense to do a "tac reload" as you stack up before choosing to enter the next one.

In a civilian setting, I've always thought of the "lull" as when I think the gunfight is all over, I've either neutralized the threats I'm aware of or left the area. At that time, makes sense to top off the gun just in case.

Since I only carry 1 spare mag, I don't stick the partial in a hard to reload from pocket, I just put it into the (otherwise empty) mag pouch. (Egads! Failure to do right!!!") :rofl:
Totally agree. When operating as a team and doing building clearing it is our SOP after any shooting to check your gun and top off if you fire any rounds. That assumes you are in an area of cover with other guys with guns who have your back. Outside of that scenario I doubt I would try a tac reload until I was pretty sure the gunfight was over.
 
When I was trained to do tactical reloads as a civilian it was with the understanding that I'm pretty sure the fight is over and I just don't want to get caught with less than a fully loaded gun. Under those circumstances I would think I'd have plenty of time to go through the drill deliberately.

As a civilian with no duty to respond, if there's enough "lull in the fight" to do a tactical reload, there's enough "lull in the fight" for me to run like hell.
 
1. You do it from a position of cover.
2. You do it during a lull in combat.
3. You save the ammo you unload from the gun. Hard to do with a Garand. Better you lose this ammo and have a full gun though.
4. You always do it before you move.
5. You always do it when you think the fight is over.

This is wise. And if you practice it a few times when you go out to shoot it will soon become second nature. It is not a complicated process.

Deaf
 
The only difference between a reload and a tactical reload is how many rounds are in the current magazine. With a regular reload, you are empty and replacing it with a fully loaded magazine. A tactical reload is taking advantage of a pause in hostility to have a fully loaded firearm. The easiest way to learn how to do tactical reloads is treat them like normal reloads from a muscle memory standpoint. Instead of worrying about fine motor skills of manipulating old magazine with new one in the same hand, just let the magazine drop free to the floor or some other surface. There is a chance you may damage the magazine because of the added round weight and dropping on something hard like concrete. The converse is putting yourself in possible lethal jeopardy because you were trying to hold onto two magazines at once while reloading.
 
The only difference between a reload and a tactical reload is how many rounds are in the current magazine. With a regular reload, you are empty and replacing it with a fully loaded magazine. A tactical reload is taking advantage of a pause in hostility to have a fully loaded firearm. The easiest way to learn how to do tactical reloads is treat them like normal reloads from a muscle memory standpoint. Instead of worrying about fine motor skills of manipulating old magazine with new one in the same hand, just let the magazine drop free to the floor or some other surface. There is a chance you may damage the magazine because of the added round weight and dropping on something hard like concrete. The converse is putting yourself in possible lethal jeopardy because you were trying to hold onto two magazines at once while reloading.

Easy to say... but if your weapon holds only 6-9 shots those extra rounds might come in real handy.

What is more I have used the 'tac-load' many times in IDPA. It... is... not... hard... to... learn... and it is not that 'fine' a motor skill.

Just use it when you go practice on the range and skip the 'administrative' reload. That way just to methods. Tac-load and speed-load.

Deaf
 
Easy to say... but if your weapon holds only 6-9 shots those extra rounds might come in real handy.

True. But with either type of reload, the rounds are not lost. Ejecting a magazine to the floor does not drop those rounds into a black hole. Like with doing a tactical reload itself, retrieving extra rounds dropped in a gunfight is done when safe.
 
The only difference between a reload and a tactical reload is how many rounds are in the current magazine. With a regular reload, you are empty and replacing it with a fully loaded magazine. A tactical reload is taking advantage of a pause in hostility to have a fully loaded firearm. The easiest way to learn how to do tactical reloads is treat them like normal reloads from a muscle memory standpoint. Instead of worrying about fine motor skills of manipulating old magazine with new one in the same hand, just let the magazine drop free to the floor or some other surface. There is a chance you may damage the magazine because of the added round weight and dropping on something hard like concrete. The converse is putting yourself in possible lethal jeopardy because you were trying to hold onto two magazines at once while reloading.

Well, so you're basically talking about doing a speed reload and then possibly recovering the magazine during "pause in hostility." Of course, that magazine may fall into a mud puddle or a pile of sand, dirt or dust, which, while recovering that mag and loading it into one's pistol is possibly marginally better than running dry, having no ammo left and resorting to using one's pistol as an impact weapon or running away.

If I have that much time to reload during that mythical lull in the (presumably, we're talking about a private-citizen vs. criminal scenario here) gun-battle, I'm doing a tactical reload the way Gunnery Sergeant Wilkins taught me back in the day and puttin' that partially-expended mag in weak-side pocket.

Then again, many law enforcement agencies are teaching only the emergency reload these days -- shoot to slide-lock and reload -- rather than bothering with practicing the tactical and speed reloads.

As a private citizen facing down an armed criminal or three, the dynamics of my gunfight will undoubtedly be much different than if I got into a pickle while on-duty and facing down some armed bank robbers; most definitely, neither of those situations would probably be at all similar to clearing houses in Fallujah circa '04 or taking fire in an Afghanistan mountain valley ...
 
True. But with either type of reload, the rounds are not lost. Ejecting a magazine to the floor does not drop those rounds into a black hole. Like with doing a tactical reload itself, retrieving extra rounds dropped in a gunfight is done when safe.

Ejecting the mag on a floor IS like ejecting it into a black hole!

So you are expecting to look for a magazine on the floor, on a dark night, or room full of furniture, or grassy lawn, in a gun fight?

"Is done when safe"? And if you opponent does not give you time for that safe retrieval of that mag? You do then risk running out of ammo.

No, learn the tac-reload. It is not hard at all to learn. You can even modify it to suit your self.

Deaf
 
Ejecting the mag on a floor IS like ejecting it into a black hole!

So you are expecting to look for a magazine on the floor, on a dark night, or room full of furniture, or grassy lawn, in a gun fight?

"Is done when safe"? And if you opponent does not give you time for that safe retrieval of that mag? You do then risk running out of ammo.

No, learn the tac-reload. It is not hard at all to learn. You can even modify it to suit your self.

Deaf

Tactical reloading was taught to thousands of agents and officers in the agency I worked as I said earlier in this thread. Not hard to learn and practice.
 
Letting a magazine drop to the ground is just an alternative to swapping two magazines in one hand. The alternative I use is eject the magazine into my hand, store it in a pocket on the same side where the spare magazine(s) are carried, grab spare to put in firearm. This way I am not fumbling with multiple magazines in my hand or searching on the ground for one. I have practiced letting a magazine fall to the ground and it is inherently faster to get your weapon back into the fight with full capacity. Not ideal in every situation such as mud or a cluttered room. If you train one way all the time, you won't be prepared for instances where your training methodology won't work.
 
I have practiced letting a magazine fall to the ground and it is inherently faster to get your weapon back into the fight with full capacity.

It is not any faster IF you first get the spare magazine right next to the gun then drop the mag into the off hand and insert the fresh mag right after it drops (which is the way the tac-load is supposed to work.) True you will have the gun in just one hand till the partly expended mag is stored, but it will be in the weapon and the weapon will be good to go.

Here is a sequence of me doing a tac-load.

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It is not any faster IF you first get the spare magazine right next to the gun then drop the mag into the off hand and insert the fresh mag right after it drops (which is the way the tac-load is supposed to work.) True you will have the gun in just one hand till the partly expended mag is stored, but it will be in the weapon and the weapon will be good to go.

"My way" and "your way" are very similar. But I still like how I do reloads. As they have worked for me in actual firefights. I don't see myself standing (and not moving) with rounds flying in my general direction. My ejected magazine is easiest to slide in a cargo pocket if I have them or a back pocket if I don't while taking a knee. In civilian dress I carry my spare magazine in a pouch just between the front and back pockets on my support side. Very easy motion to grab a new magazine after storing the partial one.
 
I think we can all agree that outside military and limited law enforcement use, the tactical reload is 99% hypothetical. But let's assume that 1% is applicable for the sake of discussion.

If you're worried about how fast a tac reload is done, you shouldn't be doing a tac reload at that moment. It only takes low single digit seconds, if you feel the need to shave time off this, you're using your resources poorly.

If you have the majority of a magazine remaining in the gun, a tac reload is a misuse of resources. How much ammunition remains is probably going to be an educated guess, most people do not count rounds when not on a square range.

Retention of a mostly spent mag is secondary. Make an attempt, sure. But if you fumble it, immediately disregard it and let it drop. No swiping at the air to catch a falling magazine, no digging for pocket openings. One smooth attempt. If there is too much ammo in there to risk losing, you shouldn't have been doing a tac reload to begin with.

I am, in general, biased against the tactical reload. It is most commonly something that should be done when immediate hostilities are over and you and all your friends and coworkers take turns covering one another while topping off and consolidating partially spent magazines. In my current situation, Joe Civilian with a wife and kids, any "lull" in an armed confrontation would likely be better spent putting as much real estate as possible between my family and the threat.

I carry a seven round handgun. Reality says that I am unlikely to ever need to use my privately owned gun in a violent encounter. I earnestly hope this remains true. Statistics say that if I am in an armed encounter, aggression sometimes ceases when a firearm is presented. That would be nice. Statistics also say that when a firearm is discharged, the average number of shots fired is well below the seven in my pistol. So I'm *statistically* carrying more than enough ammunition. But sometimes everything in the world goes pear shaped. At that point, you fly by the seat of your pants, do the best you can with the training you have. And that will usually mean shooting to slide lock. Doesn't matter if your presentation of a firearm, shots fired, etc. are having no effect because the world hates you and wants you to die or if your particular assailant is strung out or very determined. But it does mean that the book is thrown out the window and "cool stuff" like tactical reloads is going to be irrelevant.
 
If you're worried about how fast a tac reload is done, you shouldn't be doing a tac reload at that moment.
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If there is too much ammo in there to risk losing, you shouldn't have been doing a tac reload to begin with.
Nice summary/analysis.
 
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