Taking a newbie out to the range, or...

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enichols

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... how not to let annoying people spoil your day.

I just wanted to share my range experience from yesterday.

When we first started dating, I told my girlfriend (of a little more than a year, now) that I was into shooting. After we were going steady for a few months, I finally got the opportunity to take her to the range, and she LOVED it. Now, she goes with me pretty much every time I go to the range and she wants to get some firearms of her own (In her own words, "I hate going to the range and not being able to bring my own stuff"). I tells ya, I love this woman. Shooting is now one of the many things we have in common.

Anyway, her mom and brother were here from out of the country this weekend, and she thought it would be a good idea for me to take her bro out shooting while she spent some time with her mom. So my brother and I picked him up and we all headed out to the range.

As we were en route, I explained the four rules, plus any other safety items (like keeping the gun pointed downrange) that I could think of. Upon arriving at the range, we grabbed three benches and unpacked all of the stuff. At the benches next to us were a father and his two sons, who were probably 10 and 13, respectively. Before I even allowed my g/f's brother to handle any of the firearms, I went over the four rules again and explained the functioning and aiming of the rifle (a 10/22) and stood no less than 2 feet away from him while he went through a couple magazines.

Now, all this time Dad and Juniors were watching and listening to me intently. As soon as I stepped away from g/f's bro for a half a second, this Dad grabbed me by the arm and pulled me aside. I'm one of those people who gets really... defensive... if someone I don't know touches me, much less grabs a hold of me. So this was already not very nice. This guy proceeds to tell me "Look, I can tell your friend hasn't done this before. Just make sure he keeps that muzzle pointed downrange." This is AFTER he's listened to me explain all of the safety rules, so I said "Um, I just finished talking him through all of the range/firearm safety and etiquette and supervised him through a few magazines. What more do you want me to do?" Guy responds rudely: "WELL, I've got two young kids here with me, and if he sweeps that near them I'm gonna be pretty pissed off", and proceeds to march off back to his bench. Oy. First off, my g/f's brother is 18... not like he's a little kid. Second, I didn't let him fire a shot without me supervising. What else could I do? Oh well.

Well, at any rate, my brother, g/f's brother, and I all go on with our schuetzenfest and spend the next couple of hours killing paper. Man, it was fun. My g/f's brother was having a blast (no pun intended) and wasn't doing a half bad job on his target, either! And, not once did I have to correct him as far as range/firearm safety. So we left the range, and as we're driving back to my place my g/f called me. I talked to her for a couple minutes, and handed the phone to her brother. The first words out of his mouth? "Shooting is FUN!" During the rest of the drive home, he kept ranting about how much fun he had, how awesome shooting was, etc, etc. Heh. Another convert.

So, I guess that I learned something yesterday, too... how not to let obnoxious people ruin your day. It was such a fun trip, it would've been a crime for me to have let that guy's comments spoil an otherwise awesome range session. Obviously, my brother and g/f's brother didn't seem to care too much... they were just having too much fun shooting. And I had a great time myself. I guess it really pays to focus on the good stuff.
-Nic
 
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Nic,
What range were you at?
I shoot at various ranges in the soCal area and most of them told me that legally the kids couldn't shoot unless they are 12 years old. That's when I took my daughter out to a range.
I think that you did a great job of adding folks to our ranks. I commend you for doing that and doing it the right way. I don't know what else you could have done. The only thing that I did differently was stay with my daughter through most of the session, mainly just watching...and once in a while reminding (read nagging) her about safety rules...keep the muzzle pointed down range etc..
Results? My shooting buddy is my daughter. She is 18 now and doesn't want to miss range time.
Luck. Keep on adding them in. :cool:
 
HI Express...
I was at San Gabriel Valley Gun Club. If I'm not mistaken they allow kids under 13 to shoot ONLY if accompanied/supervised by an adult.

And having a daughter/son/brother/sister/girlfriend/SO as a shooting buddy is the most awesome feeling in the world :)

-Nic
 
Heh...

It usually pisses me of when guy at the next bench's little tykes sweep me with their 10/22.

Gotta love some of the company you find at the range...
 
okay, how exactly was this father being rude? he expressed his interest in keeping his family safe from an inexperienced shooter. this isnt meant as a flame, but could it be that your pride was wounded in front of your girl?
 
Spiff-
First off, no offense taken.
Second, she wasn't there- it was her brother that I took to the range.
If someone grabs your arm, and after watching/listening to you give a safety briefing, proceeds to give you a stern-talking-down-to, how are you going to feel?
I understand/sympathize with his concern about his kids, but it's not like I was letting my g/f's brother break any safety rules or anything, and I was supervising him the whole time.
So if I had grabbed this father by the arm and said something to the effect of "Make sure your children are following the safety rules... if one of them sweeps me with a gun I'm going to be pretty pissed off", would that have been rude? Probably not a very cool thing to do.

-Nic
 
Agreed, I don't have a problem at all with a father saying "Hey, make sure they be safe, k?"
But I have a problem with someone grabbing me by the arm, pulling me away, and giving me a lecture, especially after hearing me lecture to said newbies. It all stinks of being rude.
 
heh. reading comprehension never was one of my strong points.

alright, look at it from the other side for a moment, nic. put yourself in the shoes of one who has probably seen a lot of unsafe gunhandling and knows the potential of the inexperienced.
sounds like you were on a regulated range, and not just out in the boonies. when i go to the range operated by my states fish & game dept, the range operator won't let anyone proceed to the benches until they have read over the rules and signed in on what really is a 'hold harmless' agreement (meaning the shooter has read and understands all the rules and will not hold the range responsible for anything that happens to them while using the facility, blah blah blah, yes i'm an paper pusher that understands all the insurance and liability issues).
after reading these rules, do you have any idea how many shooters still break every rule in the gosh-darn book? do you know how many times i have seen a shooter try to load up a weapon while the range is still 'cold' and there are other shooters downrange? or how many times someone tries to start walking towards the targets while others are still shooting?
i'm sure you've seen this happen too. you probably have also heard the excuses those people have given "gee, well i'm only trying to get the sights adjusted, the guns unloaded you know!"
yeah, well no one else down range that is setting up targets knows that for 100% certainty, so please dont touch the gun until the range is hot.

my point is, and i wasnt there so my point may be wrong, what the father did was normal.
 
Great job, Nic.

I'm glad the rude father didn't spoil your day. Good on ya that you've introduced a couple more people to shooting.

Beetle Bailey and I usually head up to Fish Canyon every weekend. There's an occasional jerk now and then, but overall, we've found the people there to be pretty friendly. Let us know if you're going up, maybe we'll meet you up there, eh?

;) :)
 
Hey Nic, I go to san gabriel GC as I only live about 10 minutes away from there. Since pretty much none of my friends like shooting, maybe we could meet up some time and blast away. Send Me a PM if this sounds cool to you, or anyone else who lives in this area, maybe we could have a so cal shoot day.
 
I have been taking my two sons to the SGVGC since they were 8 and 10. I'de love to hook up with some forum members there too. I'm in La Puente, which is about 7 miles south of the range. I usually go Thursday or Friday mornings.
 
Honestly I think the father was out of line. I know he's just doing his best to protect his kids, but this whole "make sure your buddy's in line or I'll get pissed" thing really doesn't work on people. Yeah, threaten someone because they're teaching the rules.

Had the father simply smiled and said "Make sure he keeps it down line, he looks like a new shooter and I'm kinda protective of my kids," that would've been different.

Then again I'm 6'9" and usually don't have to deal with people trying to assert dominance.
 
I would have broke his wrist and given his kids an object lesson in MYOB cause "I won't be laid a hand on".

Spiff can vouch for me, I've got a hair-trigger temper and poor impulse control. :evil:

I agree the guy was out of line. Preemptive (and obviously redundant) safety griping is counter-productive.
 
That father who grabbed you by the arm and threatened to "be pissed" if your buddy did anything unsafe is either:

A) A real control-freak moron who beats his kids and his wife unmercilessly

B) A total lame, whipped, mommy's boy whose wife beats him unmercilessly

That guy was way out of line by grabbing you and then threatening to "be pissed off."

He's go major league problems.

hillbilly
 
spacemanspiff

The other shooter was way out of line; no tact, agressively intrusive.

I insist on people respecting my personal space and would very much resent this person's approach. It would be fair to demand that he take care of making sure his kids shoot safely in turn, but with such a personality you would probably just receive more abuse.
 
Dad was way out of line. What he did could be construed as assualt and battery, assuming you felt threatened. And as a LEO told me one, "When you feel threatened, you are."

I've been swept more times by under 18s than by over 18s, even allowing for the vast predominance of over 18s at any range I've ever seen. One of the many reasons I want to own about 300 acres of my own. :)

And the funniest part is that Dad was distracting you from your duty to supervise the new shooter and not paying attention to what his kids were doing. I might consider reporting him to the safety officer (assuming there was one present). I know that my new club (recently joined) that sort of behavior gets you thrown out. You demonstrated great presence of mind in keeping your cool and not letting the situation escalate.
 
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