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Talk me into (or out of) a Sig P250 or SP2022?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by RP88, May 15, 2011.

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  1. RP88

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    Hey there autoloader affectionados.

    I have been looking into both the P250 and the SP2022 and can't really decide which to get (if either). Unfortunately, finding one to get a bit of range time of either one has been...unlucky.

    Although I intend on trying them out before dropping the cash, I was wondering what any owners here think of them.

    I will go ahead and admit my dirty secret concerning the P250: I like double-action Tupperware guns. For the cash, it seems like a good, sleek gun that would be good in compact as a CCW. The only bad thing I've heard so far is that the trigger is long and takes longer than LA traffic to finally break, despite it being smooth and relatively light. It's also ambidextrous, which is good for a left-handed devil-child like myself.

    I've heard almost nothing but good about the SP2022. The trigger is nice, the controls are not as stiff, and although it is imbalanced it handles well. The only bad thing I've heard was that the trigger reset seems to 'slip'.

    I do plan to try these out one day, but seriously...what does THR think about them? Good and/or bad experiences? Anything to watch out for?

    Thanks for any info. :)
     
  2. contender

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    i have owned a 2340 sig pro



    as far as the sig pro is concerned, i think they are a good pistol especially considering the price. the DA was decent, the SA broke almost glass rod smooth. Reliability was top notch. As a lefty, i am not fond of the decock feature on da/sa sigs. the mag release is reversable on the sig pro.

    for a DAO weapon, i have the sig 226 DAK.......very impressed with this DAO system and for me, worth the expense. Mag release is also reversable.

    no experience with the p250..... there was some chatter about the 250 failing the initial round of BATF/FBI testing last year, but the design has reported to been improved on since then.
     
  3. Birdmang

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    Sig P250

    Trigger pull sucks
     
  4. RP88

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    care to go into detail?

    I've heard it's very light but is long. Does that really effect anything or is just very 'un-Siglike' compared to their DA/SA triggers?
     
  5. Birdmang

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    It is really long and you think its going to break then it doesn't and it keeps on keepin on not breaking for a long time then it does.

    I played with it at a gun shop for a long time and I cannot like it, ever.
     
  6. Cel

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    I own a Sig 2022 in 9mm and it is by far my favorite gun I have fired. It came down between the 2022 and a Glock 19. I was actually able to fire the Glock 19 first and I was accurate with it but I went with the 2022 on a whim. I'm glad I did. The trigger is smooth in DA or SA. KINDA long in DA but very smooth. In SA it really can't be beat. I can't speak for the P250 as far as actually firing one but I did handle one and I didn't care for it.
     
  7. Storm

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    I own and shoot a P250 in 9mm subcompact and compact. The trigger will only be appreciated by those who have experience shooting DAO guns or take the time to actually shoot the gun and master it. Fortunately I am one of those people. Yes, the reset is long, but I find that it allows me to still shoot the gun as quickly as I could want accurately. Short-stroking ceases to be an issue with practice. Since the original reliability issues the gun has seen a major re-design with reliability no longer an issue.

    That said, the P250 isn't for everyone. While I believe that the gun can offer much to those who take the time to learn it, or have the prerequiste skills to shoot it, the 2022 is the safer bet. I own a 2340 and if the 2022 is anything like it, which I believe that it is, then the 2022 will serve you well.
     
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  8. KDS

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    My Sig SP2022 is great. I picked it up on a whim and for $400, it was a steal. The ergos and controls work well for me and it shoots where I aim it. I have not had a single malfunction nor did I expect one. I have both a Smith & Wesson M&P and a Sig P226 and I would say the SP2022 runs just fine with both of them. Mine has fed every hollowpoint ammo I have tried, Gold Dots, Winchester Ranger, Federal Hydrashok, etc. You can't do wrong with a 2022 and I plan to get another one for a truck gun.
     
  9. rellascout

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    For me it was a why bother decision. I saw ZERO need to put time and money down the pipe of the gun to "learn" this trigger. If you are a revlover guy this is a good crutch/transition to a semi auto gun. For me it was not just that it was way tooooooooooooooooooooooooo long it was not consistent IMHO.

    Kahrs trigger is almost as long but I have found it breaks cleanly and consistently which for me make a huge difference. I love the hidden comments like take the time to actually shoot the gun and master it....
     
  10. RP88

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    well, every gun is different, so every gun does take a degree of learning or 'mastering'. That isn't really a fair quip unless you are the kind of shooter who buys one kind of gun and - when the need arises - buys the same gun in a different size and caliber. That is fine and all if that is how you work, but I personally would like more than one platform so long as it works for me. To be honest about the trigger anyway, my first two handguns I ever shot were a DA revolver and my Glock 17. I consider both of them to be bad in the trigger department but they have worked just fine for me. So, I am not so much turned off by the long trigger of the P250 as I am more interested in it.

    But other than the trigger and the initial bad impression, is there anything else to worry about?

    Also, glad to hear the love for the SP2022. I feel confident in it already :p
     
  11. rellascout

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    I guesss my biggest issue is that what does the poor trigger on the Sig gain you. With hundreds of options out there why pick something which has a known disadvantage?

    The gen #1 guns had problems. Since the reworks they seems to have worked out the kinks.

    The SP2022 is going the opposite direction IMHO. When they were all German guns they were rock solid. Now tha they have been cheapend and are being produced here in the US there are lots of reports of failures in the 40 S&W and .357 Sig. The 9mm require hot ammo to break them in. This was never needed with the German contract guns made for the French.

    I still think that they are good guns, the SP2022, but just not as good as they were in the past or as recently as 1 year ago.
     
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    I'm interested in this data, since I'm considering a SP2022. Anything specific that seems to be an issue?
     
  13. Bovice

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    The P250 has an atrociously long trigger pull. It has no intermediate reset. It resets after it has fully traveled forward. I can't see how this is supposed to be a good thing, the trigger pull is about 2 inches and I'm not sure how they intend for you to make any quick follow-up shots that actually hit the target. I couldn't even hit paper with it from 10 yards away. If you ask me, it's garbage. If you want a double action-type polymer gun, look at the glock, the S&W M&P, or an XD. Yes, I know that some are "pre-cocked" actions but I'm not trying to split hairs. The P250 is a miserable excuse for a SIG.

    The 2022 is a much better gun.
     
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    DAO trigger pull generally do not bother me since i appreciate revolvers.

    what does bother me is on the Auto loaders is the DAO "trigger return". most seem to feel slow, weak compared to the trigger return on a revolver.

    another reason i like the sig DAK. it is DAO but with a shorter ark and a shorter/quicker trigger return/reset.
     
  15. Cel

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    For what's it worth, my 2022 is one of the newer Exeter(US made) models and I have not had even ONE issue with it. It has ate everything. FMJ, hollowpoints, and some was even very old 9mm I had sitting up. No problems whatsoever.
     
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    My cousin just bought a 2022 and the trigger reset is garbage IMO. Finish is meh. Plus you only get 1 mag.
     
  17. Cel

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    I will say that that the one issue I have been seeing with the 2022 is the inconsistency in packaging. Mine came with two magazines, a lock, and lubricant. And it has the nitron finish on the slide. Others have the Ifalon finish and it is up in the air what configuration you might have in the box. But once again, I love mine.
     
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    I was considering the sp2022, but have now narrowed it down to the M&P9 and the XD9.

    The ergos dont feel as good on the sig, and I like the no Safety thing. Plus the M&P has a little extra barrel length (4.25)
     
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    Interesting. My cousins came with 1 mag, lock, lube, night sites, and a red dot 0.o He bought his from Buds for $395 I think
     
  20. Cel

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    That's an interesting configuration to have. I know that some of the German made 2022's had night sites on them but I have never heard of one coming with a red dot. I think Sig might be randomly throwing kits together...
     
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    His was made in NH I think? Maybe not NH but definitely here in the US at least that's how it was stamped
     
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    id take the Pro over the 250 series, they are great guns that sadly went unnoticed by many until recently
     
  23. rellascout

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    I have a german triple serial numbered SP2022 but this is what I understand about the new ones. There have been a few parts changes. They all now come with the small grip with internal laynard loop. They have an external extractor and more MIM parts then they used to. I do not know the extact number or which ones changes. Some have reported that there is a new Mag vendor.

    New 9mm owners are reporting the need for break in periods. 200 or so rounds to get rid of FTF and FTEs. Many have suggested hotter 124 gr NATO spec ammo to help this. Those who have been using 115 WWB and lighter speced ammo report more problems. With the 9mms the issues seem to go away and do not return. Many people do not have any issues from day one and I still recommend the 9mm.

    The 40 S&W and .357 Sig have reported failures which did not correct themselves. There have been reports of FTF, FTE, excessive barrel wear, slide damage, guns failing to fire in SA mode going DAO, failure to fire, hammer follow etc... There are a fair amount of reports.

    Again I would not say that all SP2022s are bad but you never heard of these issues prior to the production moving to Exeter.
     
  24. SlowFuse

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    I own 2 Sig P250s. What people are saying about the long trigger pull is exactly right. If you dont want a DA trigger, dont bother. This is perfect for revolver shooters to switch to a semi. This is the first semi i bought for my significant other. She needed a DA trigger system, so thats what I went by. I love Sig and everything they represent/stand behind. So naturally, the P250 became an option. The trigger has a long pull like I said, but inconsistent, it IS NOT. Unreliable, it is not. This gun has performed flawlessly. I bought two, as I said before. Hers is a first gen, mine is a second gen. Hers has around 1250 rounds through it without a hitch. Mine has over 2800, same deal. Sorry excuse for a Sig is a low blow from someone who hasnt put one through the ringer yet. And I agree with the old saying if you can shoot reliably and consistently with a DA any other normal SA is a cake walk. Take time to appreciate it before you bash it. Im used to Glocks, and can perform very well with them. However, I can switch directly over to this P250 after shooting my G26, 21 or 20 and do just as well. Just my $.02
     
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    Buy it if you like a really long DA trigger with a really long reset.............. and want to own a Sig even if it is the most un Sig like pistol ever made.
     
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