Talk me out of a PTR 91 KF

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After I picked up my PTR 91 I had a spell of buyers regret ONLY because I seemed to find one post after another about the greatness of the FAL (which it is... no question). HOWEVER... in the past 6 months, I have thrown everything .308 down its throat from unbelievably filthy surplus fodder to match grade ammo and not a single hiccup, hesitation, stoppage, or failure of any kind. Not one. I have also shot it in the freezing rain, snow, and regular 'ol rain with no problem whatsoever!

It shoots as good or better than my M1a off the bench (1 moa or less iron with iron sights) and if you hose down the internals with Mil Comm's TW25B after cleaning it, it makes it even smoother and easier to clean after your next shooting session.

BTW: The best way to reach in and swab the hard to reach areas is by folding a cleaning patch a few times, clamping it in the jaws of a pair of forceps, and then dipping into the solvent. It makes it easy to hit all the vital areas you can't reach with Q tips or your fingers/ rat claws.

Quite frankly, I have found the gun to be unstoppable. Yes, the ergonomics are a pain in the you-know-what, it's hard to mount optics (get a low-prifile rail from MFIAP.com), it beats the crap out of brass, you don't have a bolt hold open mechanism (which in my opinion makes you more conscious of what you’re doing) and it weighs a ton (hit the gym if this is an issue!). But, with practice you learn what works for you in terms of mag changes, selector switch manipulation, and wrestling back the charging handle. And you also learn not to hunch up on the rear sight so you don't come home with a black eye.

I know the FAL and the M1A are always being compared to each other and to the HK G3, and the FAL seems to have the edge in popularity. But, most of the time the argument for the FAL seems to be based entirely on the fact that 9 million countries adopted it blah blah blah. At the same time, I always hear how the M14 was 'only' in service for a short period of time and for that reason alone folks think it is an inferior battle rifle (personally it is my favorite!). In both instances, I think the FAL's promulgation and the M14's short life span had more to do with the decision of bean counters in the procurement departments and not the rifles themselves.

As for the anti HK G3 crowd, their major complaint (aside from those I mentioned above) is that the rifle uses a stamped receiver. Well, so does the AKM, and all I hear about is the ruggedness and reliability of that series. Tell you what... I have a milled AK and I would stack the HK/ PTR up against it any day!

Point is, the PTR 91 is a tough as nails, hard hitting, utterly reliable, and accurate rifle! And for the price of the rifle and the magazines you will not be unhappy. It takes getting used to, but once you settle in to it and learn its quirks and how to use it, you will be more than happy with your selection.

That's just my opinion....
 
I had an HK 91 and sold it years ago. Stupid move. I have a DSA rifle on order, but I have a question about the PTR 91. What does "Navy type polymer trigger group" mean? What is polymer on the trigger group?
 
I would ask that you consider the FAL. I'm biased since my company manufacturers FAL rifles ($900 shipped), but not without reason.

1. adjustable gas system - shoot everything from grenade launching blanks to full house handloads.

2. superior ergonomics - grip, stock (not to mention the magpul stock), cocking handle placement, handguards (except for austrian metal handburners), magazine release mechanism.

3. reliability - steel receiver vs sheet metal

4. sights

5. trigger - infamous hk trigger

6. cheap magazines

8. ton of accessories - cheap and parts too
 
Silverlance- Good food for thought. I did consider a FAL but HK riflles have always struck me as just being inherently cool.

Maybe its because I use the G3 so much in Rainbow Six Vegas.....:p

Ok all kidding aside, I realise now that unless I heard from at least 50 people that the PTR 91 was a major cause of hair loss and impotence nothing was really gonna change my mind.
 
To put Silverlance's post in perspective, the stamped receiver on the PTR91 has never been a source of reliability issues. Never. The triggers on any of these rifles will likely stand a good massage by one who specializes in them... in my case I like Bill Springfield's work. Optics on the PTR is a simple choice: Fero Z in a claw mount. Snaps right into place in about 4 seconds. Can't say that about the FAL. For them you have to obtain a special top cover with little screws to snug it down to the receiver etc.

As for handburners, I had an original, pre dealer sample, G1 FAL. You couldn't shoot more than 1 magazine through that rifle without making the forend blistering hot. Not so with the PTR91 and a wide handguard. Just better all around.

The drawback to the PTR as I see it is the stock: if you shoot iron sights the standard stock is just fine, but if you do put a scope in a claw mount on your rifle, you will want something to lift your head. I like the Magpul PRS stock for this use.

For $25 you can cure the most ergonomically challenging safety/selector around... Williams Trigger Specialties makes an ambi safety lever which you bump up with your trigger finger. No issue. The second most ergonomically challenging "feature" is the lack of a paddle magazine release, but this too can be addressed by any of the HK type gunsmiths out there for not too much money if it really annoys you.

Reliability: This is a tricky issue because with the right ammunition, that is ammo without the tar like sealant in it which will clog the chamber flutes in the PTR91, reliability between the FAL and the PTR91 is roughly equal. Throw the tar based sealant into the equation, and you will find that your PTR91 is not as reliable.

Lastly, is accuracy. I will readily concede that accuracy differences exist between two examples of the same model as well as between different designs. That said, my PTR91 is the most accurate 308 semi auto I've shot. It just keeps thumping them up the middle.
 
Go for a DSA FAL Para. Much nicer ergos than HK's & they hold their value (and desirability) better than any other 7.62X51, IMO.
 
ah, but the HK is sturdy enough even for a gorilla to handle!!


(or a real viking, which is why the norwegian military use em!!! :D:D)
 
All of my scopes end up in the bottom drawer of my tool box and eventually sold. I just prefer iron sights.
 
This thread has been a great help for me. I have been sitting the fence on what to get and I finally went with the PTR 91C. I can hardly wait to get that puppy to the range.

$1350 out the door including New York Tax. These are a very hot gun where I live. In this climate they are not coming down on their price AT ALL.

BTW the PTR 91C is different from the PTR 91F because of the "flash hider." Using a muzzle break helps keep the fine citizens of New York safe.


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I've got a PTR-91F. Why did I buy it instead of an FAL? Because I've wanted an HK91 for 30 years but never had the disposable income to buy one for no particular reason. Why? I just think it's the "sexiest" rifle ever designed.

The PTR-91 is incredible to shoot! I don't find the trigger to be a problem. The reset is very fast, and on a recent trip to the desert, I shot a 20-round mag as fast as I could pull the trigger. It was like full auto without the Class III license. No hiccups no matter what I feed it, and cheap and reliable magazines. Because I'm left-handed, both the charging handle and the magazine release operation are a pain (but NOT the safety). Who cares? As other posters have noted, the biggest problem is ammo cost - this thing is an absolute joy to shoot. I could go broke keeping it fed.

On the other hand, have you ever looked at another "sexy" rifle (my opinion, but what the hell, it's my post) called the "Dragunov"? I just picked up a Romanian version (the Russian version is just too expensive). It is just as addictive to shoot as the PTR-91. I don't know what I'd do if I added an FAL and an M1-A to the stable.
 
The PTR rifles ROCK ,we sell tons of these and have for years , maybe 2 -3 issues over 500 rifles , great accuracy & a decent price.
 
.308 is indeed expensive, but another plus of the -91 is that it will accept an H&K .22 conversion kit for really cheap plinking. Dan's Ammo had these at a really good price for quite a while but it looks like they've finally sold out.
 
I did a lot of studying before I bought my H&K 91. I couldn't decide between the 91 or the FAL. One torture test they did on the 91 was fireing it 40,000 times and claimed they found no noticable wear on the rifle. That sold me. I like my 91 and all of its faults. I did have a trigger job done, and that was worth the money. However I have since bought a STG58 FAL and really like it also. Soooooo I guess what I'm saying is, you can't go wrong with either rifle, so what ever you like I'm sure you will be happy with.
 
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