Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Talk with a current Marine and TSA madness

Discussion in 'Legal' started by hillbilly, Dec 31, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. hillbilly

    hillbilly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2003
    Messages:
    3,166
    Location:
    Iowa
    Just before Christmas, I got to meet for two hours with a former student of mine who is now in the US Marine Corps.

    He's the only Mongolian in the Marine Corps. His name is Hos.

    Had a great visit, saw lots of pictures, heard lots of stories about going into Baghdad.

    He has to go back sometime around Feb. for 6 to 9 more months....you know, being vague for security purposes, plus he's not sure himself exactly when he's going back.

    Anyway, one story he told me put me on the floor. The USMC used civilian airliners to ferry troops back home after their tour was done. He told of huge receptions at San Diego with cheering crowds, and handshakes all around.

    But what was funny was the bit about the TSA Nazis.

    They searched all the Marines getting onto the flight for nail clippers, small scissors, and other small, bladed instrumentts, but allowed the Marines on with their small arms---M-16s, M-9s, etc. etc.

    Paging Barney Fife, paging Barney Fife. You're needed at gate 11. Barney Fife, report to gate 11, it's a matter of utmost double-secret-probationary National Security.

    How Long, Oh Lord, must we suffer the expensive idiocy of the TSA???????

    hillbilly
     
  2. RAY WOODROW 3RD

    RAY WOODROW 3RD Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    335
    Location:
    Beverly, N.J.
    The TSA is here to stay. I only see it expanding. Are you ready for TSA road check points?

    Just my .02
     
  3. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Messages:
    9,056
    Location:
    SouthEast PA
    General question....

    I don't believe I've ever read the law that is the root authority to search airliner passengers, nor have I ever seen the result of the innevitable constitutional challenge to it on the basis of the 4th amendment....any legal scholars out there got the links?
     
  4. Leatherneck

    Leatherneck Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    2,545
    Location:
    No. Virginia and Northern Neck
    Sad to say, but Marines have always been prone to "scrounging cool stuff" in combat zones, and the authorities know that. I'll bet the searches turned up more contraband than the average flight of citizens anywhere in the rest of the USA.

    That's not in defense of TSA or searching US citizens, Marine or not.

    Imagine Hos's trip home: start out in-theater with a ride to the airhead in a chopper armed for bear; end up in Hometown USA being strip-searched by the goons of TSA. :fire:

    TC
    TFL Survivor
     
  5. riverdog

    riverdog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,826
    K-Bar knives??

    These TSA stories are great, sorta like tales from the front. We have met the enemy and it is us. Every story justifies why I haven't set foot in a commercial airport since 9/11. I used to fly 4 times a year; now I drive -- it's much more pleasant.
     
  6. wingman

    wingman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,185
    Location:
    texas
    Consumers hold the key, "money" stop all travel via commerical airlines unless its an emergency.:cuss:
     
  7. Waitone

    Waitone Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    5,406
    Location:
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    It is traditional for war fighters to bring home mementos. Some go "bang" or "whoosh" or "pfsssst." Makes sense to me to search.

    However, TSA-mandated treatment is a bit much.

    TSA as it is currently configured has numbered days. The airline industry is in deep yogurt and getting worse. Alot of the problems are based on bad business decisions. However, the TSA is creating the most customer unfriendly environment possible. Airlines will figure it out and will adopt to the new business reality. One step in the process will be to tell fed.gov to go pound sand. TSA will change because it is a cause for financial trouble in the airlines. And we all know we can't inconvenience corporations.
     
  8. RAY WOODROW 3RD

    RAY WOODROW 3RD Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    335
    Location:
    Beverly, N.J.
    GeekWitha.45................

    Quote:
    General question....
    I don't believe I've ever read the law that is the root authority to search airliner passengers, nor have I ever seen the result of the innevitable constitutional challenge to it on the basis of the 4th amendment....any legal scholars out there got the links?


    I was told by a friend who is a high ranking customs officer up in Newark that TSA gets around your "rights" by not being a sworn officer. An officer would have to have cause to search or detain you. TSA does not and the officers hate them for having that power.

    No link or law for ya, just straight from one of the horses mouths.
     
  9. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    24,041
    Location:
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Saddam Hussein is in custody. Norman Mineta isn't.
     
  10. Waitone

    Waitone Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    5,406
    Location:
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    And that, sir, is a danger to outsourcing law enforcement tasks to private security agencies. As private companies they are not concerned with hinderances like due process and probable cause, etc. Area 51 has perimeter security provided by a private corporation. Bounty hunters are very useful to LE because they work on contingency and because they are not hindered by law.

    Here in my hometown we had a problem with drivers running red ligts. So city council hires a company to install cameras at key interestions which take pictures of cars running red lights. License is snapped and flat $50 fine is mailed out. No court hearing, no points, insurance company is not notified. Failure to pay the fine results in a nast note being placed in you credit report because the fine is payed to the company which ownes the cameras.

    Program is so successful it will be expanded to radar camers. Speed, get photo'd, issued a bill, no points, no court, no insurance reports, nasty note on your credit report and no appeal.

    I don't like it one little bit.
     
  11. hillbilly

    hillbilly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2003
    Messages:
    3,166
    Location:
    Iowa
    I was flipping through Hos' pictures, and I paused on one.

    I looked at it a second, and said, "Hey, is that Kid Rock you're shaking hands with there in the barracks tent?"

    "Yep," said Hos.

    The same packet of photos showed him patroling in Baghdad, shaking hands with Kid Rock, visiting his parents in Mongolia along with the three-star Marine Lt. General who went with him when Hos was welcomed back as a national hero of Mongolia.

    Quite a life Hos has had........

    hillbilly
     
  12. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,896
    Location:
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    Sad?:banghead:
     
  13. BowStreetRunner

    BowStreetRunner Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2003
    Messages:
    1,185
    Location:
    North Florida
    the only logic for the TSA confiscation of small pointy things and such and the leaving of government issued small arms is that you can "lose"knives, nail clippers, etc, on the plane, either accidentally or intentionally, thereby creating a "hazard" on the plane which is past their checkpoints
    i guess they would be thinking that a m-16 is harder to mislay
    that still doesnt make their search right
    i think our soldiers deserve more credit than that
    BSR
     
  14. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,896
    Location:
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    They should be told about the 250-liter water tank...:D
     
  15. AZRickD

    AZRickD Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2003
    Messages:
    1,684
    "you can "lose"knives, nail clippers, etc, on the plane,"

    Nope, still doesn't make sense. The Federal Air Marshmallows can (and other LEOS have) lost hand guns in planes.

    Rick
     
  16. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    18,930
    TSA may not have powers to detain/arrest, but they have the authority to levy fines. Read the post about the one fellow who was fined $1,600 for not declaring his declared AR. I hope he wins and sues the snot out of TSA.
     
  17. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    2,981
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Last time I flew commercial for USMC, we were delivered to the aircraft via bus directly on the tarmac. No TSA, no anything. We took all our gear either on us or in the belly switching records as well. Two planes. One pane gets records of the other plane's passengers, etc.

    Anyway, this was an all marine flight, these may not be. Maybe some civilians on board too.

    GT
     
  18. NukemJim

    NukemJim Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,201
    That is very interesting and scary thought. From my understandingthey also have control over security for busses and trains. I could imagine them taking over "security" on the Interstate system first and then work their their way down. (may in fact be seeing now from initial reports out of NYC for tonights celebration ).

    All to protect the people.

    Scary.

    IMHO much scarier than the terrorists in the long run.

    NukemJim
     
  19. BowStreetRunner

    BowStreetRunner Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2003
    Messages:
    1,185
    Location:
    North Florida
    AZRickD
    it doesnt have to make sense :)
    its the TSA!
     
  20. Fly320s

    Fly320s Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,828
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    That does not sound correct to me.

    The reason we are all free to be searched inside the secure area of an airport is because we have given our permission to do so by way of argreeing to the conditions printed on the back of your boarding pass/ticket. Have you ever read those notices?

    Just like the local court house doesn't need probable cause to search you via metal detectors and X-ray machines when you enter the courthouse.

    We give our consent to be searched when we choose to enter the secured area. Ever listen to the announcements made via the P.A. system in an airport? "All passengers and bags are subject to search" or something like that.

    You have the right to remain secure in your possessions until you entered the secured area.

    I don't like it either, but I tolerate it, for now.
     
  21. Brian Dale

    Brian Dale Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2003
    Messages:
    3,554
    Location:
    on the farm
    I agree with what Fly320s has written, and would add a bit more: since airlines are private companies and airports are more or less, kinda-sorta like their private property (whatever the actual ownership), the Feds, as well as local governments, have happily used that notion as they've created all kinds of hoops for the traveling public to jump through if they wish to travel by air. The airlines' procedures are intimately tied to the Feds' wishes, and we've ignored being treated like cattle in exchange for the convenience of air travel.

    There's a lot of history and momentum there, from the "no more CCW on airline flights" of the 1970s to the absurd rigamarole of the present day. I hope you don't mind if I quote you, geekWithA.45:
    I hope you don't mind that I edited for Art's Grandmaw; the principle is sound. What we have now is a huge, expensive mechanism for posturing and pretense on the part of those who have arrogated to themselves the responsibility for our security.

    Flying's just no fun any more. One day, we'll be over our national grief and shock enough to stop jumping every time a bunch of pre-industrial bandits shake their AK47s. A while back, Bill Whittle wrote,
    Nothing has changed who we are. Let's remember that.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page