herohog
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it was "isolated" to 1/4 mile away... I'm not sure if his property extended that far... 
Tannerite In The News (Bad)
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GlowinPontiac
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if the shrapnel stayed on his property then i see no problem with this other than him being only 300yds away from the blast.
anyways darwin will probably take care of this guy soon enough.......
anyways darwin will probably take care of this guy soon enough.......
Gingerbreadman
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It depends on where he lives. If he did this in a rural area near Red Wing, it is totally possible.
Case and point: If the house I am posting this from right now blew up and sent parts 1/4 mile away, nothing would even make it to the road. From my perspective, 1/4 mile is not that far.
news report
Here is a video of the news report from KARE 11 - includes some footage of the mangled dump truck bed as well as aerial footage of the field where it was set off. Also, interview with Sheriff and the like.
http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=60825&sid=492577&bw=hi&cat=2
Here is a video of the news report from KARE 11 - includes some footage of the mangled dump truck bed as well as aerial footage of the field where it was set off. Also, interview with Sheriff and the like.
http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=60825&sid=492577&bw=hi&cat=2
thexrayboy
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Yes this guy did something dangerous and stupid. And he used a legal product to do it. Of course now their will likely be calls to ban tannerite because it can be used stupidly and cause danger. While we are at it
we need to ban automobiles and countless other things that can and are
used stupidly and dangerously.
Of course the rational and logical approach would be to deal soley with the stupid people. That of course makes sense and as such is not considered an
acceptable solution.
we need to ban automobiles and countless other things that can and are
used stupidly and dangerously.
Of course the rational and logical approach would be to deal soley with the stupid people. That of course makes sense and as such is not considered an
acceptable solution.
chris in va
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Holy cow. I've seen what a 2 liter bottle will do, couldn't imagine 100 pounds of the stuff. Heck a 1# bottle will shove three empty propane tanks 30' in all directions.
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Some people really need to join the military and go blow things up for real for free, and get paid to do it. It's people like this that cause us all the grief we now have with all the overlapping idiotic bumf*ck gun laws. More proof if one was needed that we don't have enough abortion clinics in this country. In this age of technology where one person and a computerized robotic mechanized machine does the work of two thousand people, we really have very little use for those that are a beer short of a six pack, unless they volunteer to replace the Rats and Monkeys of the testing laboratories.
I may not be a very good contributor to society, but I do know how to be discrete and not cause problems to others.
I may not be a very good contributor to society, but I do know how to be discrete and not cause problems to others.
Adventurer_96
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Doesn't anyone else find this quote a little disturbing?
I don't like the idea that vendors pony up that kind of information so freely. Call me crazy.
precisionshootist
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Might not have been the best of ideas but I don’t see where he did anything overtly illegal. This should be the attitude of law enforcement but I can assure you it’s not. We have way too many laws and way too many avenues for the police/DA to charge law abiding citizens with felony criminal offences. The police don’t like his behavior so they will use the system to make him a criminal.
What I find disturbing is Sheriff Dean Albers mind set. What he is really saying is I can’t believe this stuff is legal, I can’t believe Americans are free to order this stuff online, I CAN’T BELIEVE I DON’T HAVE THE POWER TO JUST HALL THIS GUY OFF TO JAIL. That is what’s truly disturbing about this story.
He might as well have told the truth and said, Well there was no real harm done, but I don't like this stuff so don’t worry we’ll investigate until we can find a serious charge to get him on.
OH NO!!!! I think I heard something blowup... BATTLESTATIONS!!!
This is just crap! The charges of Felonies against this guy are absolute BS, Did the local PD mix up the regs? Charges include acting with gross disregard for human life and destruction of property with an explosive or incendiary device — both felonies. His Property His Possessions???? *** is going on! I can't beleive this crap. The only thing he could face maybe a law for possession of a binary explosive as a fourth Degree felon for a prior domestic the other two charges are a BIOS opionion on the law enforcement of that area. Here I am in MN and all I can think about is I just got back from Iraq and this guy had no intentions of attacking the Nuclear Power Plant or Blowing up a target to hurt or kill someone or cause damage to property other than his own for entertainment purposes with spectators that wanted to see a show, a legal form of explosive that doesnt even catalyst right when you mix up to much of it causing a waste of product that does more damage to your pocket book. Another good question is *** is infringing your rights on the 2nd amendment, It's not this guy who had a target shoot on his property with firends that wanted to be there, It's the people who want the perfect dream world life, The land of scared and pondering conservatives who point guilty on the idea not understanding the actions intended.
This is just crap! The charges of Felonies against this guy are absolute BS, Did the local PD mix up the regs? Charges include acting with gross disregard for human life and destruction of property with an explosive or incendiary device — both felonies. His Property His Possessions???? *** is going on! I can't beleive this crap. The only thing he could face maybe a law for possession of a binary explosive as a fourth Degree felon for a prior domestic the other two charges are a BIOS opionion on the law enforcement of that area. Here I am in MN and all I can think about is I just got back from Iraq and this guy had no intentions of attacking the Nuclear Power Plant or Blowing up a target to hurt or kill someone or cause damage to property other than his own for entertainment purposes with spectators that wanted to see a show, a legal form of explosive that doesnt even catalyst right when you mix up to much of it causing a waste of product that does more damage to your pocket book. Another good question is *** is infringing your rights on the 2nd amendment, It's not this guy who had a target shoot on his property with firends that wanted to be there, It's the people who want the perfect dream world life, The land of scared and pondering conservatives who point guilty on the idea not understanding the actions intended.
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Typical media stupidity response. Oh noes! something scary out there, why haven't we been protected from it yet?! Add in the interview with the random idiot on the street, and the pissed off local authorities, both wanting to know why people are allowed such dangerous things...so typical and still so utterly stupid.
Sheldon J
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And yet another redneck with way too much time and money on his hands makes a real bad decision.
CNYCacher
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Holy crap 1/4 mile!
1/4 mile in yards is roughly 400 yards. We already know he shot it from 300 yards away on his own property, so I am going to bet his property is at least 400 yards deep because I doubt he shot from his front yard past the house to the back yard.
Given that his property is 400 yards+ deep, and he is the kind of guy who can afford a .50, and can afford to shoot 100lbs of tannerite at a time, it is not that far of a stretch to imagine there are no other houses around for at least 1/4 mile.
1/4 mile in yards is roughly 400 yards. We already know he shot it from 300 yards away on his own property, so I am going to bet his property is at least 400 yards deep because I doubt he shot from his front yard past the house to the back yard.
Given that his property is 400 yards+ deep, and he is the kind of guy who can afford a .50, and can afford to shoot 100lbs of tannerite at a time, it is not that far of a stretch to imagine there are no other houses around for at least 1/4 mile.
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I'm not going to discuss the politics or legality of this... but doesn't it strike you as dangerous? He shot it from 300 yards away, and shrapnel was found 440 yards away. This could have ended up much worse.
Lucky
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1/4 mile = 450 yards
what's the big deal with stuff going 450 yards? If it doesn't affect other people it's none of their business. Simple principle.
If he disturbed neighbors with excessive noise and rattling their windows it's a problem. But that's probably exaggerated, small 'bomb', large distances. He was shooting 300 yards with a .50, if they aren't disturbed by that a bigger boom once in a while shouldn't matter.
You have to admit, the more you think about it the more it seems they NEED a range that caters to exactly these activitites... Hmm Bob's explosive target agency... You know you'd go at least once to try it.
what's the big deal with stuff going 450 yards? If it doesn't affect other people it's none of their business. Simple principle.
If he disturbed neighbors with excessive noise and rattling their windows it's a problem. But that's probably exaggerated, small 'bomb', large distances. He was shooting 300 yards with a .50, if they aren't disturbed by that a bigger boom once in a while shouldn't matter.
You have to admit, the more you think about it the more it seems they NEED a range that caters to exactly these activitites... Hmm Bob's explosive target agency... You know you'd go at least once to try it.
larry_minn
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Up until they decided a BRIBE was required to have a explosives permit I had one. (IIRC i have had one since I was 22) There used to be NO CHARGE for pemit. (or for carry pemit) Then when MN got uniform carry law its $100 for carry and $35 for explosives permit (to be honest the fee is for background check) Thing is I was renewing both on same day. "That will be $135" Neither background check is valid for anything else.
Thing is he could have shot a (almost empty) LP tank and it would have done more damage. (almost empty fuel tanks are worse then full ones)
Or as local did in this area. He took a old basement and dumped lumber/scrap tree branchs/other scrap wood. He got a permit to burn it. He decided it needed something to get it going. He has some old dsl fuel that is long past useable. Hand sprayer and sprays it over wood. (I have done that myself) Then he has some old 20lb LP tanks (without OPD valve) that are mostly empty. He cracks valve and tosses them in .(I have not done that) Seems he has some old paint thinner/maybe some old gas thats like varnish and that gets tossed in. (kinda seemed anything he thought was combustible got tossed in don't it?"
Well its a dead calm day. All this stuff is in a hole. This guy does ONE thing smart. He realizes it might not be safe to light it directly. He makes a remote ignition source. (Think Russian drink) and tosses it in. BOOM Blows him back, cracks windows fairly far away, people calling 911 (who don't know anything/even WHERE the blast came from)
No charges.
Thing is he could have shot a (almost empty) LP tank and it would have done more damage. (almost empty fuel tanks are worse then full ones)
Or as local did in this area. He took a old basement and dumped lumber/scrap tree branchs/other scrap wood. He got a permit to burn it. He decided it needed something to get it going. He has some old dsl fuel that is long past useable. Hand sprayer and sprays it over wood. (I have done that myself) Then he has some old 20lb LP tanks (without OPD valve) that are mostly empty. He cracks valve and tosses them in .(I have not done that)
Seems he has some old paint thinner/maybe some old gas thats like varnish and that gets tossed in. (kinda seemed anything he thought was combustible got tossed in don't it?" Well its a dead calm day. All this stuff is in a hole. This guy does ONE thing smart. He realizes it might not be safe to light it directly. He makes a remote ignition source. (Think Russian drink) and tosses it in. BOOM Blows him back, cracks windows fairly far away, people calling 911 (who don't know anything/even WHERE the blast came from)
No charges.
Gossettc68
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In a answer to this question:
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In addition to the above prohibited projectiles, Section 24.1. (a) (3) and (a) (7) (iii) and Section 24.1.(a)
(11), unchanged by Public Act 92-0423, list the following as prohibited.
Section 24.1. (a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
(3) Carries on or about his person or in any vehicle, a tear gas gun projector or bomb or any object containing noxious liquid gas or substance, other than an object containing a non-lethal noxious liquid gas or substance designed solely for personal defense carried by a person 18 years of age or older.
(7) (iii) Any bomb, bomb-shell, grenade, bottle or other container containing an explosive substance of over one-quarter ounce for like purposes, such as, but not limited to, black powder bombs and Molotov cocktails or artillery projectiles;
Tannerite is not a bomb. As that section of the statute reads it is pointing to destructive devices. " Any bomb or explosive substances for like purposes ".
Tannerite would not fall into that catagory due to the nature of the product. It's a shot indicator, not a bomb. Take car manufactures for example, airbags have a explosive device in them. The companies//people who manufacture airbags have to be federally licesenced with the ATF to manufacture them...Like Tannerite has to be for the Targets. But the public can posses airbags without any licensing because the end result of said product is not built to use as a destructive device. Same with the targets. They are not pipe bombs or molotav cocktails.
I would need to read other statutes of Illinois law before I can make a decent judgment call. But given the information I read in a earlier post I would say that yes, Tannerite is legal in Illinois. I would recommend that you use it ONLY as a shot indicator however.
If you guys have any questions I can help ya with please let me know.
Charles Gossett
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Quote:
In addition to the above prohibited projectiles, Section 24.1. (a) (3) and (a) (7) (iii) and Section 24.1.(a)
(11), unchanged by Public Act 92-0423, list the following as prohibited.
Section 24.1. (a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
(3) Carries on or about his person or in any vehicle, a tear gas gun projector or bomb or any object containing noxious liquid gas or substance, other than an object containing a non-lethal noxious liquid gas or substance designed solely for personal defense carried by a person 18 years of age or older.
(7) (iii) Any bomb, bomb-shell, grenade, bottle or other container containing an explosive substance of over one-quarter ounce for like purposes, such as, but not limited to, black powder bombs and Molotov cocktails or artillery projectiles;
Tannerite is not a bomb. As that section of the statute reads it is pointing to destructive devices. " Any bomb or explosive substances for like purposes ".
Tannerite would not fall into that catagory due to the nature of the product. It's a shot indicator, not a bomb. Take car manufactures for example, airbags have a explosive device in them. The companies//people who manufacture airbags have to be federally licesenced with the ATF to manufacture them...Like Tannerite has to be for the Targets. But the public can posses airbags without any licensing because the end result of said product is not built to use as a destructive device. Same with the targets. They are not pipe bombs or molotav cocktails.
I would need to read other statutes of Illinois law before I can make a decent judgment call. But given the information I read in a earlier post I would say that yes, Tannerite is legal in Illinois. I would recommend that you use it ONLY as a shot indicator however.
If you guys have any questions I can help ya with please let me know.
Charles Gossett
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www.survivalops.com
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If this was "treasure island" here in San Francisco, it's the small crappy island with all day fog, that is in the middle of the bay bridge! This makes me angry, so idiot screwing it up for the rest of us... sigh..
I can do the same thing with gas.. which is probably easier to obtain.. It's also very easy to build a fertilizer bomb, much easier than ordering this stuff off the internet..
I can do the same thing with gas.. which is probably easier to obtain.. It's also very easy to build a fertilizer bomb, much easier than ordering this stuff off the internet..
wuchak
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In the news video they said the guy made a video of the explosion but the FBI won't release it. It shouldn't take too long to hit YouTube.
He might have overdone it a tad on the Tannerite but other than noise there was no part of his experiment that went off his property according to the news.
He might have overdone it a tad on the Tannerite but other than noise there was no part of his experiment that went off his property according to the news.
Gossettc68
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Here is the video of the 100 pound charge.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a7_1200611038
And from what I understand now all those outragous charges have been reduced down to public nuisance. The folks at the power plant are not making a big deal. They got to test there emergency response time. And they liked the end result.
The media is just making a mountain out of a molehill as usual. But this issue at hand is dwindling down to size.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a7_1200611038
And from what I understand now all those outragous charges have been reduced down to public nuisance. The folks at the power plant are not making a big deal. They got to test there emergency response time. And they liked the end result.
The media is just making a mountain out of a molehill as usual. But this issue at hand is dwindling down to size.
kcmarine
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Hm... I don't know if he can really be charged on the explosion itself. He could be cited for a noise complaint, or if he has projectile laws in his area, for the shrapnel. They could also get him on negligence. But if they wanted to get him good, they'd have to get him on something related to the truck itself. If the truck is new, and he leased it, or it was somehow someone else's truck, they could get him for the destruction of rental or leased property, especially if he was somehow behind on payments. Another way to get him would be to prove that he destroyed the truck to collect the insurance on it, but my guess is that that will be impossible to prove because of the way he went about in the destruction of his truck.
My guess is that this won't get too far. The big Anti's on the coasts don't care too much about news like this. They care about tragedies that they can manipulate.
And if things are still going the way they are with Chinese goods, the CPSC might be too busy to care.
Remember, this is one incident. Maybe the people on this board should make sure they dont cause any more.
My guess is that this won't get too far. The big Anti's on the coasts don't care too much about news like this. They care about tragedies that they can manipulate.
And if things are still going the way they are with Chinese goods, the CPSC might be too busy to care.
Remember, this is one incident. Maybe the people on this board should make sure they dont cause any more.
Gossettc68
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Actually, It was a truck bed, not the truck itself.
From what I understand the vehicle wreckage that was shown on the news was a car he had blown up with 30 pounds of tannerite before he blew up the truck bed.
From what I understand the vehicle wreckage that was shown on the news was a car he had blown up with 30 pounds of tannerite before he blew up the truck bed.
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