Taurus 4410 45LC/.410 revolver for home defense?

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The TC .45/.410 barrel uses a screw on choke on the end of the barrel that also has straight rifling. The straight rifling stops the spin of the shot charge which is a good thing. It'd make the barrel a bit long on the Taurus, though, to have such an arrangement.

I bet that thing is loud with a .410 in it. :what: :D I'd keep it loaded with a mild 255 grain flat point .45 Colt or perhaps the silver tip Winchester load in a store bought round. What you COULD do in the car situation is stick a couple of .410s in there and the rest of the cylinders put .45 Colt in it. First couple of shots at close range. If it lasts longer than that, the range is apt to increase.
 
Having bought one of these when it first came out, it quickly became my most carried general woods pistol. It replaced a venerable old S&W .38/44 and has done several things for me at least all very well.

Now then, I've shot this gun a lot and have tried tons of different loads both in the shotshells/slugs as well as the .45 LC. Just guessing I'm thinking about 3,000 rounds overall at varying targets in all sorts of enviornments. By now I feel I have a fairly good idea what it can do with varying rounds.

I hunt frequently in bottomland hardwood forests along a river where timber rattlers outnumber the people about 1,000 to 1. The #7 1/2 shot .410 has shredded quite a few of those mean little varmints. Pretty much 100% one shot kills at anywhere from waay too close at 5-6 feet up to about 12 yards which is a fairly long shot on a snake that you're trying to hit in the head.

More likely than not I have the first two chambers stuffed with the .410 7 1/2's followed by some very hot Buffalo Bore .45 LC's with solid bullets near magnum velocities.

The first 2 shots are for either snakes or a lucky encounter with a nice swamp rabbit if they're also in season. Then I have the cannon like .45 loads for times like when I ran into a nice white tail about 50 feet away when only carrying a shotgun full of turkey loads. I slowly laid the shotgun down and then quietly cycled past the first two shotshell loads took a tree rested shot that dropped a sizeable deer on the spot.

I also like the idea of the strong .45 loads as backup should I ever get on the wrong side of a wild boar or black bear both which will come after you if ticked off.

All-in-all, I think this is a great woods carry gun if you need something for that purpose. Self defense? Guess it could fill that role if someone wanted it to as well. For the money, it's a real winner in my opinion.
 
It must be built on the bigger frame if it'll take those Buffalo Bore loads. That's Blackhawk only stuff. I've got a lot of snakes on my place, but they're really only a problem in spring. I wear snake leggings and carry my contender .410 in an uncle mike's shoulder holster when I'm working down there that time of year. If I jump a rabbit, I can nab him out to 20 yards or so. However, if I come on a boar hog, ain't like I can cycle it to a .45 load. :uhoh: That could be handly, LOL. No bears and I really don't worry about the hogs, but would like to take one if given the opportunity. I'm always up for a little pork. :D

I haven't had a problem shooting the heads off snakes with a bullet and often carry my .357 loaded first with a couple of .38s then magnum 158s like you do your .45 with the shot/Colt combo. But, I like having that contender on the occasion I jump rabbits. I've potted a couple with it. I ain't quite good 'nough to hit a running rabbit with a bullet. That .410 has a great rabbit gettin' pattern at 15-20 yards.:D
 
I use the standard pressure "heavy" .45 Colt load . . . 255 grain gas-checked cast bullet at 1050 fps. Recoil is not bad at all - about equal to the shotshells.
 
Just checked my local listings. :D

On The Outdoor Channel today @ 4:30pm (EST), a show called Shooting Gallery comes on. If you guys can catch it, you'll probably be able to catch the commercial for the Taurus.
 
I've seen the ad in question on the Taurus, but wasn't paying attention. If I see it again, I'll turn around from the computer. :D I watch outdoor channel a lot, good shooting shows. There's a NRA sponsored show, Shooting Gallery, all sorts of good stuff as well as all the hunting. I can't stand to WATCH fishing even though I fish. It's like watching paint dry. Seen one bass caught, you've seen 'em all But, they're always hunting somewhere different or some other animal, always a different situation in the hunting. I am getting to where I get a little bored with the tree stand and deer stuff, though. Seen one deer shot, you've seen 'em all. LOL

But, the other night they had a guy that drew one of 12 available tags for an Ibex in New Mexico. They were in the Florida mountains just south of Deming. I've been to those mountains, didn't hike there, but up to 'em at a little tourist trap park for a break with the wife and kid on vacation. There were Indian writing on the wall or something to see there, sort of a road side rest break/nature park run by the state parks department. The mountains sure looked rugged and they were saying they are the roughest, hardest to hunt mountain range in north America. These Ibex were given to the US by the Shaw of Iran back in the early 60s and are intensively managed and are in good population. This guy made this 350 yard shot on one with a 6mm Remington across a deep gorge, then it took 'em two hours to get to it, ROFL! Nice animal, too! I like that kinda stuff on the outdoor channel. They also have this thing "Tracks Across Africa" that's neat. I always enjoy watching someone pull the trigger on a 600 nitro express. LOL!
 
Personal Defense TV (8:30am - 9:00 EST) is the show to catch if you want to see those pistol commercials. It's on right now, but since none of you are, I digress. :D
 
I'd love to have "the Judge" in my arsenal but I'd rather not fire it off in my car and blow my, (and anyone else's in the car) ear drums out.

I'll keep my eyes open and my windows shut.

Looks fun thought!
 
Hello all ... just joined up when I found this thread via google as I was looking for some thoughts on the 4410, Some years back, I did a lot of bird hunting, usually by river boat. There were times when you knocked the duck down, but not out. And I really didn't want to lay a 12 Ga 3" mag on him, but if you didn't, they would dive and goodby bird. So for that I had a early model TC in .44 mag, with the hotshot option. You loaded up the .44 shot capsule, screwed the choke on the barrel and it was just perfect to dispatch the downed bird without gutting them at the same time. We moved down here to MO almost 2 years ago, and there are snakes around the place. I had been looking for another TC as I had given mine to one of the kids. I saw the Taurus in the NRA Rifleman last month and think that will be just right for those cold blooded fellows.
 
hi

I was just came across this thread and signed up also. I have handled these revolvers in gun stores and one thing strikes me about it immediately. It seems like a HUGE safety liability from Taurus.

What's to keep someone from sticking a .454 Casull in it and blowing their own face off when it explodes? Even a 45-70 would fit into that cylinder. you talk about picking your nose with your elbow for the rest of your life. It makes my ears ring just to think about it.

It's the same concept as the .38 vs .357 revolvers. The .357 is only 1/8 inch longer and that has nothing to do with room for powder. It's to keep some knob from feeding .357's into a .38 revolver and blowing themselves up.

You just can't go making guns that will chamber ammo that is too powerful for the gun to handle.

To me it is a stupid looking pistol and a pretty weak concept. If someone is trying to jack your car, what better form of defense is there than several rounds from a good medium caliber (.40 or 9mm) semi-auto high cap?

Although I have owned one of those Cobray Derrenger handguns that will chamber .45 lc or .410 shotshells. The barrel on them is only about half inch longer than the .410 shell. And you have to be careful not to hit your foot if you are shooting at a soda can on the ground 5 yards out. That sounds like an exageration but try it once.
 
Those cartridges will not fit. The cylinder is 45 Colt Brass diameter for only the length of 45 Colt. It quickly gets a little smaller so 454 and 460 S&W brass won't chamber. A 45-70 has no hope of being chambered --way too fat. The only danger is a 444 Marlin case, as that is what I use for longer brass shotshells. A .429 bullet won't engage the rifling, so hopefully the gun wouldn't blow up. But I'm not going to try and load a 444 Marlin load containing a bullet in mine.
 
Family member owns one. Basically mine.
Shot it. Don't care for it.
Accuracy is not good enough to 15 yards.
I'm sure some one will be along to tell me I'm not shooting it good enough.
But out of the 4 people that day, we all passed on it.
Only thing I can say is it would make a good snake gun.
I use it on the starlings, works good to 15 yards to the feeder.

And how can they eat so much?
 
I can't wait to get one of these. I carry a kimber Custom Shop Ultra Carry CDP II, but want a backup revolver. I love my semiautos, but nothing beats the dependability of a good revolver IMO. Anyhow, when I saw this gun I knew I needed one. Even filled with 7 shot or even smaller, at point blank range it will kill almost anything. Certainly any human. According to Chad Cleland, most defensive shooting is done when the attacker is less than three feet away. I'm really excited about this gun. I'll follow up with a review once I've shot a few rounds through it.
 
I have a polished SS model, 3" barrel, shoots 2.5 Shotshells, I have gotten to the point where I don't even mess with the shotshells much, I just use Georgia arms gold-dots and the BB standard loads in it....fun gun IMHO, it shoots better than my S&W 642 at 15 yards considering it is for close up defense.
 
I have a 3" model that i carry as my "tractor gun"....first 2 rds are birdshot followed by one buckshot, then 2 260gr LRN's.

It works GREAT for its intended purpose....groundhogs, skunks, putting that doe down because you just took her legs off with a disc mower, ect.

Oh, and it makes rabbit and squirrel hunting tons more fun.
 
My Judge will put all 3 000 buck balls completely through 4" of pressure treated pine at 15 feet. It will put -most- of the pellets of #4 buck through 1" of pine at 15 feet. (think face/head shot and blind BG).

Combine that with the fact that now I have a pattern rather than a single projectile (as in, wake up in the middle of the night and don't have time to put on my glasses), I'm happy with it.

It's a tool with a specific purpose ... close in defense, be it from your car or inside your home. At that task, I think it excels.

spacejunkiehsv said:
Am I wrong? Would a .410 shell from this pistol have enough stopping power, assuming that most of the shot from the shell hits the attacker? I would probably get the 4410 with the 4" barrel. So, the pattern would be nice and wide.
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Where did you find #4 buck loadings in 410 -- did you handload or buy them? How many pellets are in them?

I've been working on some handloads to tighten the pattern. Using the "stretch wad" from Ballistic Products cuts the pattern down a lot (about 60% size, but the regular pattern is so huge that even cutting it in half is still rather huge). Next was to make a mod to the wad. My first attempt wasn't reliable -- some of my BB loads were 10-12" pattern at 7 yards, but two were 2" which is about what I was looking for. I've got another set of loads doen a different way to see if I can reliably get the patterns to this size for the BB loads.

I also made some 4 pellet OOO loads using 444 Marlin cases. I need to chronograph them, but I should be able to get them to the 850 fps level (based on total payload weight) which is faster than the 3 pellet OOO factory loads which America Rifleman indicated were in the low 800 fps range.
 
My bad ... it's #4 shot, not #4 buck. Winchester makes this load.

In the Judge most of the time I'll use it as a "lead off" round ... just to get somebody's attention, and aim a weee bit higher than center of mass (ie, a face shot). I think of it as the "go the hell away" shot. After that it's all 000 buck, with maybe a 45 Colt hollow point chaser.

suemarkp said:
Where did you find #4 buck loadings in 410 -- did you handload or buy them? How many pellets are in them?
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Not just for fun

My wife bought me The Judge for my birthday for a new toy. It has replaced my "half asleep bedroom gun". After shooting this beaut I had to re-think
.410. I started with the .45 and accuracy is what it is intended for. 1 qt water filled milk cartons go away easily at about 25 yards. The .410 at 20 feet also put them out of their misery. Perfect for my needs. I load with 3 Winchester 000 buck and the last 2, Magtech .45, 250 grain flat nose. If that don't work I'll use the Saiga 12 ga. It's not for conceal carry.
 
MCgunner,

What loads did you find and where at? I'm back in H-town in a few months and want to go shoot my Judge. I've been looking but haven't seen anything yet.

Jeff
 
To me, it seems like the 4410, loaded with the .410 shotgun shells would be great for home defense. It may be better than my LONG 12 guage.

Am I wrong? Would a .410 shell from this pistol have enough stopping power, assuming that most of the shot from the shell hits the attacker? I would probably get the 4410 with the 4" barrel. So, the pattern would be nice and wide.
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Of all the guns in the world I'd rather be shot with, a .22 Short out of an NAA mini or a .410 shot shell from a Taurus would be a toss up.
 
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