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got into a conversation today on the Taurus Circuit Judge. the other fella said its ban in california due to it being a rotating drum shotgun (like a streetsweeper). im not too sure it is



anyone know if it is considered a rifle or a shotgun? it it indeed ban in california?
 
It would seem the Rifled version can and will be marketed as a rifle that also manages to shoot shotgun shells... (just as the judge is a 45 colt that shoots 410s also, not the other way around.)

As to the smootbore that will be produced also, i have not a clue how they are getting around current regulations for that.
 
They make a smoothbore Judge? That would be considered a sawed off shotgun wouldn't it?

Anyway, SWAT Magazine recently did a review on the Judge and basically said it sucked.
 
NO, I was referring to the Smootbore judge long-gun that will be made... I was under the impression that revolving shotguns were classified as DD's and were thus prohibited by the ATF...
 
I was under the impression that revolving shotguns were classified as DD's and were thus prohibited by the ATF...
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The ATF can deem any shotgun on the market to be "non-sporting," after which, if it is over 0.50" in bore diameter, it becomes a Destructive Device. A long-gun smoothbore version of the Judge would not qualify because it is only a .45 caliber weapon.

It has nothing to do specifically with whether it's a revolving shotgun or not, just whether it's "scary enough" for the ATF to revoke its "sporting" status.
 
paintballdude902 said:
got into a conversation today on the Taurus Circuit Judge. the other fella said its ban in california due to it being a rotating drum shotgun (like a streetsweeper). im not too sure it is

anyone know if it is considered a rifle or a shotgun? it it indeed ban in california?
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The Rossi/Taurus Circuit Judge is not legal in CA.
Under CA laws...
- The Rossi/Taurus Circuit Judge meets the definition of a shotgun [PC 12020(c)(21)].
- A shotgun with a revolving cylinder is considered an assault weapon [PC 12276.1(a)(8)].


Penal Code 12020
(c)(21) As used in this section, a "shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of projectiles (ball shot) or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.

Penal Code 12276.1
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
 
Wait a minute, can the Circuit Judge actually be fired double-action? Cause if so then that's radical, but if not then there's your obvious difference right there, "street-sweepers" like the Striker Shotgun are all semiautos. If the circuit judge can fire with a double-action though then I'm getting one, for sure. Just load that sucker up with Winchester PDX1 and annihilate! I'd keep it loaded on the bedroom wall, hell it could it even replace the "old standby" 12 gauge double barrel - less of a spray, but who carries ammo in their PJs anyhow so the shot count would make-up for it and you could load it and leave it since it's a revolver, unlike a pump gun where the spring can go bad after leaving it in idle for too long, how is THAT reliable?! Oh, I'm excited!
 
* by the way, to answer the original question - you preorder your circuit judge to be either smooth bored or rifled, it seems. Looks like they're technically made by Rossi though, but then they are owned by Taurus, so whatever...
 
Critical J said:
Wait a minute, can the Circuit Judge actually be fired double-action? Cause if so then that's radical, but if not then there's your obvious difference right there, "street-sweepers" like the Striker Shotgun are all semiautos.
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The Armsel Striker (Sentinel Arms Striker-12, Cobray/SWD Streetsweeper, Armsel Protecta, Armsel Protecta Bulldog) is not semi-auto, it operates like a double-action only revolver.
 
The more I think about this new rifle the more I see it as a near perfect survival carbine. The only changes that I would like to see is strengthening the frame (needs to hold 50kPSI+) to accommodate .454Casull and a few additional chokes (also with straight rifling) for tighter patterning. With those changes you should be adequately equipped (not ideal for anything, but good enough for everything) for taking most any game in the ConUS at reasonable ranges. It would also afford 5 quick reliable shots or the ability to have as many as 5 different loadings at your disposal (I would probably load 3 shotshells for birds and 2 .454s for large game).

:)
 
...unlike a pump gun where the spring can go bad after leaving it in idle for too long...
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Springs do not fail from being compressed for long periods of time. They fail from repeated cycles of compression and expansion. You can leave your mags loaded.
 
What does the Taurus thing do that a Remington 870 does not do exponentially better, and for much less money?
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It's lighter? The ammunition is lighter? The recoil is lighter?

Not to say that this thing is better than a shotty, but it has advantages. There's nothing wrong with a light shotgun, and a .45lc will do nearly anything you ask of it as long as you respect its limitations. Double action with 000 loads will unload faster than your shotty ...with the obligatory mention that you may need that speed because you'll have a lighter shot load. Then again, .45's have been used for social work for years, so take it as you will. Likewise, as along as you hunt with its ammunition envelope, this thing would probably serve you well.

It's just a matter of what you're using it for, really.
 
What does the Taurus thing do that a Remington 870 does not do exponentially better, and for much less money?
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It doesn't do anything that an 870 can't, but it promises to be a bit quicker handling (lighter and smaller), and certainly affords quicker follow up shots; also, if chambered for .454Casull (a logical "next-step", but one that I don't know that they will take) it affords not only better trajectory but also have just as much energy as the best 12Ga. slug (to the best of my knowledge this is the Brenekke Black Magic Magnum @ about 3k ft*lbs). Additionally, it affords the ability to carry more cartridges which means potentially more kills (especially useful for small game like winged prey, squirrel, and rabbit). That isn't to say that the traditional scattergun is a poor choice, just that I see this one having some advantages IF it delivers on its promises, and has the chambering is expanded to accommodate the venerable .454Casull (no guarantees here).

:)
 
if it came with choke tubes i might buy it, until then ill stick to my 870.

now if they would only make a 45acp lever action.....wet dream
 
if it came with choke tubes i might buy it, until then ill stick to my 870.
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Comes with two, but neither constricts the bore (one smooth bore one, the other rifled straight to prevent donut patterns caused by "shot-spin"). I too wish they would add one or two that does improve the pattern.

:)
 
W.E.G. : answer.

" ... What does the Taurus thing do that a Remington 870 does not do ? ..."
Tuck away in your Carharts.**
Anyone know whether their speed loaders for the Tracker will accommodate the .45 Colt cartridge?
 
please correct me if im wrong but wasnt the "street sweaper" banned for being both a rotating MAGAZINE shotgun AND a higher than normal capacity gun?

I always understood it to be both not just one or the other

Either way if the circuit court judge get through they need to import the Russian MC-225
 

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So... Check me on this... If you include two barrels- one smooth and one rifled -why would you straight-rifle the one to prevent crappy patterning when you technically already have a second smooth bore barrel dedicated to exactly that?

If we were talking one barrel, sure, split the difference. I can understand that. I guess I can think of a few reasons, but none of them compelling and all of them detrimental to the use of a .45, which i would think would be the reason for a second barrel to begin with.

/shrug, I guess.
 
Either way if the circuit court judge get through they need to import the Russian MC-225
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As much as I would like to see one as well, I don't believe that will ever happen because it would be deemed a DD for a >.50in. bore and revolver magazine (I believe those were the circumstances that determined that the Streetsweeper, et al were classified as DDs).

:)
 
So... Check me on this... If you include two barrels- one smooth and one rifled -why would you straight-rifle the one to prevent crappy patterning when you technically already have a second smooth bore barrel dedicated to exactly that?
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I don't believe they are easily interchangeable, in other words you order the carbine equipped with the one you want. BTW, the choke is the only part straight rifled...the bore (of the rifled one) is spirally rifled. Also I am not certain if the smooth bore comes with any chokes at all (I doubt it).

:)
 
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