Teachers want body armour to carry out gun searches

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And this is in loving, GUN FREE, England.:neener: Something doesn't sound right to me. Maybe, just maybe, outlawing guns only disarms the law abiding citizen?:cuss:

Teachers want body armour to carry out gun searches
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Teachers are demanding to be equipped with stab and bullet-proof vests to protect them from being attacked as they frisk pupils for knives and guns.

Laws coming into effect next week allow staff to conduct forcible searches of students suspected of carrying weapons.

But teachers are saying they should not be made to carry out searches unlss they are provided with body armour.

More than 220 staff were seriously injured in pupil attacks last year, a rise of 21 per cent since 2002.

Have we really reached the point of our teachers wearing armour?

"In the staffroom of Sunny Haven primary school, where staff are sitting down having a cup of tea, this idea would probably make them laugh," said David Brierley, solicitor for the Professional Association of Teachers.

"But in other schools there may be enormous relief at the idea.

"On the list of possible control measures for schools, we think protective jackets should be on the list."

Mr Brierley said heads should consider buying several of the vests, which typically cost a few hundred pounds.

The union is calling on ministers to include a requirement to supply body armour in guidance on exercising the new powers, which is due to be published shortly. It is expected to say staff should receive training, costing around £50 per teacher, in how to 'pat down' clothing and check pockets for knives, blades and other weapons.

Under the Violent Crime Reduction Act, heads will not need parental consent to search pupils and can authorise other members of staff to exercise the powers.

Teachers will be able to frisk any pupil merely on the suspicion they are armed.

Reasonable grounds to initiate searches include suspicions they are members of a gang which habitually carries weapons and 'wears a distinctive item of clothing or other means of identification.

Meanwhile, airport-style screening using scanning wands or bleeping arches can be used on pupils at random, even if staff harbour no specific suspicions.

The powers are being introduced at a time of mounting public anxiety over shootings and stabbings of children.

Luke Walmsley was stabbed to death at school in Lincolnshire in 2003 while Kiyan Prince was knifed yards from his school gates in North London last year.

A recent wave of knife and gun crime involving teenagers in London has intensified concern.

Last year, a mother sent her 16-year-old son to school in East London in a stab-proof vest because he feared for his safety.

The shopkeeper who sold the teenager the vest said he was selling three a week to children. Jan Myles, assistant secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers, said: "This is a high-risk strategy which could have dangerous or fatal consequences." "Schools Minister Lord Adonis said incidents involving knives were rare but the Government wanted a zerotolerance approach.

"That's why we are giving head teachers these tough new powers to search for weapons," he said.

"We think parents will welcome the clear message that bringing a knife into schools will not be tolerated."
 
The English are so busy with making social policy to chase imaginary problems that they've forgotten elementary problem solving: Line the doorways with powerful electromagnets and students carrying any ferrous object inside will be stopped immediately. Silly English and their lack of a sense of humor.
 
They should hand those vests out to everyone who wants one. That way everyone will be protected from the occasional nutcase who forgets that he or she is breaking the law by shooting or stabbing some innocent bystander. Think of the money they'll save in healthcare!
 
Didn't they also just introduce a law that will allow police to do basically the same thing to people in vehicles? Searches, ID checks, and questioning even without probable cause?

<singsong voice>
ORWELLIAN!!!
 
England is so far down the toilet that nothing in the news about them surprises me.

It's really sad - the last time I was in London (late 60's) you could walk anywhere at any time of the night in safety. I had hoped to visit again, but the England I knew is no longer there.
 
The knife ban here in Scotland was so poorly written that it could mean that buying kitchen knives at the shop and bringing them home in a plastic bag was two or more violations

Jefferson
 
Why would the Brits even need to search for guns in the gun banned paradise they've created for themselves in the UK? Just ask the Bradys how wonderful the Uk is these day without guns. You know, maybe, just maybe, it isn't the guns, but the people in the society, that produce the violence and only use knives or guns to express that violence against the defenseless. Just an observation.
 
Under the Violent Crime Reduction Act, heads will not need parental consent to search pupils and can authorise other members of staff to exercise the powers.
Teachers will be able to frisk any pupil merely on the suspicion they are armed.

I wouldn't want my kids subjected to any search unless I was present. Plus, I wouldn't want some low-life putting his hands on my teenage daughter. Most teachers are ok, but there are plenty of creeps out there.
 
I left a comment on their site...

>>>I thought y'all were gun-free, there, in the UK? Actually, if someone had tried to "forcibly search" me while I was in high school, they'd need more than a vest. As far as I'm concerned, or would've been in school, "forcibly search" is just another phrase for "assault".

But then, we're pickier about being searched without a warrant, than you are.
 
Right there with 3fgburner. The first time I read this sentence
Laws coming into effect next week allow staff to conduct forcible searches of students suspected of carrying weapons.
all I could think of was legalized assault.

Talk about authorizing a witch hunt!
 
I find it amusing that so many people like to sneer at the outlandish doings in other countries.

The way I see the trend line, the UK is just a few years ahead of the U.S.
 
More than 220 staff were seriously injured in pupil attacks last year, a rise of 21 per cent since 2002.


Is it that common over there? I don't know what US numbers on that would be, but I've never heard of that happening around here.
 
The way I see the trend line, the UK is just a few years ahead of the U.S

Maybe, maybe not. Target shooting, home defense, and concealed carry have made tremendous gains over the last several years in the US.

That doesn't mean that can't change of course. But some favorable rulings in our favor, namely the Parker decision, have continued the upswing for the time being anyhow.

Americans like myself are getting tired of government intrusions that have permeated our society in all areas.

Gun control is just one thing. Unlawful searches, warrantless no-knock raids,eminent domain, food police meddling in dietary choices, unlawful taxes etc; have a lot of us fed up.

Even non gunowners are tired of the government to the point that they will not tolerate one more thing...

Even if that one more thing is gun control!
 
what wasn't said was it was the blacks and emigrate gangs that were using the knives.read a report on english crime in news recently
 
The magnets won't work: they're all armed with magic wands made of various woods. A lot of good that body armor will do the teachers when a 12 year old gets off a well aimed Petrificus Totalus.
 
what wasn't said was it was the blacks and emigrate gangs that were using the knives.read a report on english crime in news recently

Not sure how true that is to be honest. Knives seem equally popular weapons amongst white 'youths'. Though it's true that (illegal) guns are much more prevalent in the black community.
 
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