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Everyone I have told that I have hit a 1 gallon milk jug at 500 yards with a 30-30 with open sights say I am lying.
Is it really that hard to believe???
Is it really that hard to believe???
Ted Williams 30-30 carbine @ 500 yards
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yes.
More details please.
More details please.
MissouriCrowinMass
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rbernie
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Depends on how many times you missed before you got that one lucky hit.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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No, not at all, provided that you disclose that it took somewhere between 10 and 50 shots to do so. 
Tinpig
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Absolutely.
In 1946 Ted Williams hit a 500 foot home run at Fenway Park with his Hillerich & Bradsby. I'm sure he (and you) could hit a milk jug at the same distance with his .30-30 Sears commemorative.
Tinpig
In 1946 Ted Williams hit a 500 foot home run at Fenway Park with his Hillerich & Bradsby. I'm sure he (and you) could hit a milk jug at the same distance with his .30-30 Sears commemorative.
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seeing as the bullet drops something like 130 inches at that distance.. I find it more than slightly hard to believe... though I am sure crazier things have been done... that said, I would have to see it to really believe it... 130/12= more than 10 and a half feet.
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Al Thompson
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How much did you hold over?
At 500 yards, the front sight would cover about 5 feet. How did you adjust your aimpoint?
It's possible, but not probable. You posted, so you started it.
At 500 yards, the front sight would cover about 5 feet. How did you adjust your aimpoint?
It's possible, but not probable. You posted, so you started it.
Al Thompson
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Dang PT, you gave him a hint.
How did you measure the range to the jug?
How did you measure the range to the jug?
MissouriCrowinMass
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Very carefully............
ThomasT
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I had one of those Ted Williams 30-30s. That was a really nice gun. I bought it for $115 and sold it to my brother in law for $200. Don't worry, I married his sister. He owes me big time.
I made an off hand shot at a spot on a cliff that was a solid 300 yards and almost hit it the first try. I missed by just 2-3 inches. I believe you made your shot. It happens.
I made an off hand shot at a spot on a cliff that was a solid 300 yards and almost hit it the first try. I missed by just 2-3 inches. I believe you made your shot. It happens.
Luv my 1897
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I shoot at a range that is an old creek bed. It goes out to about 600-700 yards. I was shooting at the one that was estimated at 500 yards. I was shooting from benchrest using a milk crate and my shooting bag to rest my gun. Oh yeah, I was the only one shooting, the only other person besides my friend and I was actually watching from inside his truck. My guess is he wanted to see if I could make it.
The first time I shot out to there was with my friend spotting me, on a mild day and the wind was not really a factor. If I were to estimate I would say I was aiming above the jug about 3MOA and to the left about 1MOA. That is just a rough estimate since I don't have a scope on it. The first shot hit directly below, my friend told me, plus I saw the dust it created. The second shot I aimed just above where I had aimed but kept the wind comp. the same. I had filled the jug with water and green food coloring to make it easier to see if there was a hit through the binoculars. After I took the second shot we thought I had over-compensated and shot over (my friend isn't the greatest spotter) so we took a break and each lit cigs. About halfway through the cigarette My buddy looked downrange with the binocs and then handed them to me and said "look." When I looked the jug was half full, but was still sitting in the same spot, just with water soaking the berm below. We went and checked in my Jeep, and sure enough, a perfect entrance hole with a small hole in the back.
I will do it again, I know for a fact I can, but this time I will post a video on YouTube for everyone to see. Also, I will try to go on a day when there are minimal people there.
The first time I shot out to there was with my friend spotting me, on a mild day and the wind was not really a factor. If I were to estimate I would say I was aiming above the jug about 3MOA and to the left about 1MOA. That is just a rough estimate since I don't have a scope on it. The first shot hit directly below, my friend told me, plus I saw the dust it created. The second shot I aimed just above where I had aimed but kept the wind comp. the same. I had filled the jug with water and green food coloring to make it easier to see if there was a hit through the binoculars. After I took the second shot we thought I had over-compensated and shot over (my friend isn't the greatest spotter) so we took a break and each lit cigs. About halfway through the cigarette My buddy looked downrange with the binocs and then handed them to me and said "look." When I looked the jug was half full, but was still sitting in the same spot, just with water soaking the berm below. We went and checked in my Jeep, and sure enough, a perfect entrance hole with a small hole in the back.
I will do it again, I know for a fact I can, but this time I will post a video on YouTube for everyone to see. Also, I will try to go on a day when there are minimal people there.
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Oh Yeah...
I have done it a few times, once two prove it to my father.
No BS, I will have that video up soon, with no editing, one solid video.
I have done it a few times, once two prove it to my father.
No BS, I will have that video up soon, with no editing, one solid video.
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Luv my 1897
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The range has been measured by my father, grandfather-in-law, multiple people at the range... Oh yeah, and my father's friend's rangefinder.
I adjusted my sights with the crude elevation notches it has, and then, seriously, guestimated. I have been shooting rifles with open sights since I was about ten. Unlike most people I started with my 30-30 (it was my dads, he gave it to me for my 21st. The front bead literally eclipsed the milk jug, but that wasn't an issue because I was aiming above it.
And I really don't care if you believe me but it seriously took me two shots. the first one was below, the second dead on.
Side note, who can get this reference; It's not a six shooter, it's a seven shooter.
Like I said, I will do it again, so all of you skeptics and non-believers can see for yourselves.
I adjusted my sights with the crude elevation notches it has, and then, seriously, guestimated. I have been shooting rifles with open sights since I was about ten. Unlike most people I started with my 30-30 (it was my dads, he gave it to me for my 21st. The front bead literally eclipsed the milk jug, but that wasn't an issue because I was aiming above it.
And I really don't care if you believe me but it seriously took me two shots. the first one was below, the second dead on.
Side note, who can get this reference; It's not a six shooter, it's a seven shooter.
Like I said, I will do it again, so all of you skeptics and non-believers can see for yourselves.
MissouriCrowinMass
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Luv My 1897,
Hope I didn't offend you. It's just that I'm so damn jealous that it has turned me spiteful. You may have seen some of my posts with Groups at 50 yards that people have claimed were falsified. I get a lot of stuff like.....
"No way anybody can shoot that bad above water."
"I know you reload......did you make your own barrel too?
"You shoot like Barkley plays golf."
Sticks 'n stones......sticks 'n stones. There are freaky people that so exceed the "normal" range of human skill that it is shocking. You obviously are one of them. I played basketball until I was 55. One night when I was about 48, I was shooting alone in a gym. I hit 13 (19'-9") three's in a row. I really thought it was fantastic. Best I ever shot by far in 40 years. HOWEVER, if you go on YouTube there's an Assistant Coach my age (58) from a California Small College. He's made over 100 3's in a row. They have the video on YouTube. I foget the number of Free Throws he's made in a row but it is rediculous compared to the normal "great shooter".
So......never be too skeptical! Good luck with the video.
Hope I didn't offend you. It's just that I'm so damn jealous that it has turned me spiteful. You may have seen some of my posts with Groups at 50 yards that people have claimed were falsified. I get a lot of stuff like.....
"No way anybody can shoot that bad above water."
"I know you reload......did you make your own barrel too?
"You shoot like Barkley plays golf."
Sticks 'n stones......sticks 'n stones. There are freaky people that so exceed the "normal" range of human skill that it is shocking. You obviously are one of them. I played basketball until I was 55. One night when I was about 48, I was shooting alone in a gym. I hit 13 (19'-9") three's in a row. I really thought it was fantastic. Best I ever shot by far in 40 years. HOWEVER, if you go on YouTube there's an Assistant Coach my age (58) from a California Small College. He's made over 100 3's in a row. They have the video on YouTube. I foget the number of Free Throws he's made in a row but it is rediculous compared to the normal "great shooter".
So......never be too skeptical! Good luck with the video.
Wesson Smith
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To be honest (and no offense intended) this sounds a little like my one and only hole-in-one ever. It was on a 186-yard par 3. I smacked the tee shot into the blazing sun and was sure I'd sliced it, like I usually do. We spent 2 or 3 minutes searching for my ball in the high fringe off the green. One of the guys in our foursome went to remove the flagstick, and hollerd "Who's playing a Nike 2?". It was moi.
FlyinBryan
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not impossible at all, but aiming 3moa high, the bullet would strike the ground 300 yards before it got to the target.
you would actually need to aim about 15 feet high, at 500 yards with a run of the mill 30-30 load.
actually , with zero wind, and 75 degrees, and 29.5hg barametric pressure, (avg spring day) yielding an Atmospheric Density of 0.07418 lb/ft³, the bullet would have dropped 155.2 inches into the jug, taking over 1 second to get there, and will have dropped below the speed of sound about 20ft before impact.
its an unbelievable, but certainly physically possible shot.
i could probably do it once with 3 20rd boxes.
ps. i take that back, my eyes aint what they used to be.
i do know a korean war vet with incredibly sharp vision for his age that could probably hit it 4-5 out of 8 times with his garand (the most amazing international harvester m1 ive ever seen)
at any rate, with a 30-30, it incredible, and i will leave it at that.
Claude Clay
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........bullet has to go some where
i believe you
i believe you
rangerruck
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you know.... everything with a ted williams name on it, just goes up in value. I would be babying that thing. Just saw on that antiques show a dude showed up with a set of prototype golf clubs , that on the drivers head said, 'spendid splinter' a Ted williams reference. Ted could do many things very well, bowl, shoot, golf, etc., and this maker of clubs , who had done custom stuff for the biggest golfers out there, was doing a set for him. Anyway, they were untouched, in the box. Worth about 50 k, if I rr.
jpwilly
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Not impossible but that's a rare shot. I got a hole in one once...
FlyinBryan
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no, not impossible at all.
very difficult, bordering on sheer luck with irons from that caliber.
if i did it, i might have to keep it to myself just to avoid defending my claim, lol.
i believe you though man.
it is possible.
very difficult, bordering on sheer luck with irons from that caliber.
if i did it, i might have to keep it to myself just to avoid defending my claim, lol.
i believe you though man.
it is possible.
peacemaker45
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I've heard a lot of tall tales. Both in the shooting world, and at work (trucking.) It's not that I necessarily think that you're lying, it's that it's an improbable, though not impossible, shot. I'm skeptical by nature, so to convince me, you'd have to show me.
Now if you had a tang sight with a vernier scale, and a globe with windguage front sight, I'd come a lot closer to believing it.
~~~Mat
Now if you had a tang sight with a vernier scale, and a globe with windguage front sight, I'd come a lot closer to believing it.
~~~Mat
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OK
I don't mind some of you saying "no offense, but I think it was a freak accident" because I know it wasn't.
IT TOOK ME TWO SHOTS! Of course I was shooting other, closer targets before, so it wasn't on a cold barrel. That WOULD be practically impossible, a freak accident you may say.
I could pop a 20 oz soda bottle at 50 yards with ease with that rifle. I have literally taken a golf ball off of a full water bottle at 50 yards with my rifle.
What I am trying to say is that I know that rifle inside and out. I own two guns; my Winchester model 1897 with an 18 inch barrel with which I can pop every skeet you throw and my 30-30. I can do things with my two firearms that most would deem impossible or "lucky" on a regular basis. Try shooting skeet with an 18 inch barrel shooting 04 buckshot. That was an interesting day of skeet shooting, but fun!
Like I said, next time I am at the range I will take a video and post it for you all to see.
I don't mind some of you saying "no offense, but I think it was a freak accident" because I know it wasn't.
IT TOOK ME TWO SHOTS! Of course I was shooting other, closer targets before, so it wasn't on a cold barrel. That WOULD be practically impossible, a freak accident you may say.
I could pop a 20 oz soda bottle at 50 yards with ease with that rifle. I have literally taken a golf ball off of a full water bottle at 50 yards with my rifle.
What I am trying to say is that I know that rifle inside and out. I own two guns; my Winchester model 1897 with an 18 inch barrel with which I can pop every skeet you throw and my 30-30. I can do things with my two firearms that most would deem impossible or "lucky" on a regular basis. Try shooting skeet with an 18 inch barrel shooting 04 buckshot. That was an interesting day of skeet shooting, but fun!
Like I said, next time I am at the range I will take a video and post it for you all to see.
Schleprok62
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What kind of ammo did you use? i.e. make, bullet weight and type, were they reloads... details, details, details... please...
500 yards(1500feet) or 500 FEET? 500 feet I would have no trouble buying into.
If you used factory round/flat nose ammo, they really aren't designed, or intended to be used at that sort of range... It is POSSIBLE, but the probability is very low...
500 yards(1500feet) or 500 FEET? 500 feet I would have no trouble buying into.
If you used factory round/flat nose ammo, they really aren't designed, or intended to be used at that sort of range... It is POSSIBLE, but the probability is very low...
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