woof
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Total bull. If someone here with a thousand posts said it and admitted it was dumb luck I'd believe it. But someone with 27 posts and a lot of bragging - bull. I wouldn't even bother looking at a video since they are so easily faked.
Ted Williams 30-30 carbine @ 500 yards
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I believe it's possible as I've seen a similar thing. I had a friend that shot a whitetail deer from hill top to hill top, and I'd say it was 500 yards or more. The distance was so great that the skull was not penetrated, but the deer collapsed and died immediately. The deer was hit between the eyes, literally between the eyes, yet the skull was not fractured. Yet the deer died. This was an elderly gentleman that had never killed a deer. His first and his last. I have another strange but true story. I have a friend that climbed out of his tree stand after dark. He did not know that a small button buck had walked under the tree as he was coming down. He pretty much climbed right down on the deer. It apparently watched him climb down. When it finally smelled him at just a few inches away, it was so startled it bolted frantically. And ran head long into a tree in a few yards, broke it's neck, and died "right there". I was in the area, hunting in another tree stand. Not a mark on the deer, yet dead as a door nail. Strange things do happen. Not all tall tales are untrue.
I believe it's possible as I've seen a similar thing. I had a friend that shot a whitetail deer from hill top to hill top, and I'd say it was 500 yards or more. The distance was so great that the skull was not penetrated, but the deer collapsed and died immediately. The deer was hit between the eyes, literally between the eyes, yet the skull was not fractured. Yet the deer died. This was an elderly gentleman that had never killed a deer. His first and his last. I have another strange but true story. I have a friend that climbed out of his tree stand after dark. He did not know that a small button buck had walked under the tree as he was coming down. He pretty much climbed right down on the deer. It apparently watched him climb down. When it finally smelled him at just a few inches away, it was so startled it bolted frantically. And ran head long into a tree in a few yards, broke it's neck, and died "right there". I was in the area, hunting in another tree stand. Not a mark on the deer, yet dead as a door nail. Strange things do happen. Not all tall tales are untrue.
HarleyFixer
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I have no trouble believing you hit it. I do however have trouble with repeat hits. That rifle/round is simply not capable of repeatable accuracy of that quality at that range. I doubt that you could shoot a 2' 5 shot group at that range. I am not knocking your ability only pointing out the physics.
Sniper X
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I believe it but agree it was luck. Shoot, I am a pretty good shot, and have a better shooting 30-30 than the TW one, and would have a hard time hitting a 1 gal jug at 500 yards...I would think. I'll have to try it this weekend and get back to you.
alde
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I was shooting my Garand at 200 yards yesterday. That SR target is awfull small at that distance. It's bigger then a milk jug and still difficult to see at 200.
I have a Ted Williams 30-30 from 1976. It's a good shooter but I don't see it making a 500 yard shot without a bunch of luck. It will do about 2 MOA (on a good day) with ammo it likes.
I have a Ted Williams 30-30 from 1976. It's a good shooter but I don't see it making a 500 yard shot without a bunch of luck. It will do about 2 MOA (on a good day) with ammo it likes.
Don Gordon
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Exaggeration.
I think everyone has called you on the .30-30 @ 500 yards.
I'll call the skeet shooting w/#4 buckshot B.S. (I think you meant to say "clay target shooting" and not "Skeet")
A standard 1 1/8oz 12 gauge skeet load will put 540 pellets in a 30" circle at 25 yards. (There's 658 #9 pellets in 1 1/8oz) That's the standard load and range that Skeet shooters shoot, with dedicated skeet guns having 26"-28" vent ribbed barrels. There are 27 pellets of #4 buckshot in a 12 gauge 2 3/4" shell, before it leaves the gun. Maybe 23 will get to a 30" circle if you had a skeet gun.
So you're telling us that you can't miss with your 18" barrel win 97 shooting buckshot at skeet.????
You must have some magic ammo.
I think everyone has called you on the .30-30 @ 500 yards.
I'll call the skeet shooting w/#4 buckshot B.S. (I think you meant to say "clay target shooting" and not "Skeet")
A standard 1 1/8oz 12 gauge skeet load will put 540 pellets in a 30" circle at 25 yards. (There's 658 #9 pellets in 1 1/8oz) That's the standard load and range that Skeet shooters shoot, with dedicated skeet guns having 26"-28" vent ribbed barrels. There are 27 pellets of #4 buckshot in a 12 gauge 2 3/4" shell, before it leaves the gun. Maybe 23 will get to a 30" circle if you had a skeet gun.
So you're telling us that you can't miss with your 18" barrel win 97 shooting buckshot at skeet.????
You must have some magic ammo.
R.W.Dale
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was a laser rangefinder used to verify the range. I find that without such a tool folks (myself included) tend to grossly over estimate ranges.
That being said I did once hit a cast iron griddle with a Ruger blackhawk in 30 carbine at 300m. It just took a few shots
That being said I did once hit a cast iron griddle with a Ruger blackhawk in 30 carbine at 300m. It just took a few shots
woof
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When a rifle at a given range would be lucky to get a 6 FOOT group, any shot that hits a gallon jug can only be called luck.
Luv my 1897
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The repeat hits were on different days.
And to the guy who says "videos are too easy to fake" obviously didn't read the post where I said it was going to be one solid take with only myself and the spotter there. I have no reason to fake a video. If you are still skeptical because I have another person there I will do it on my own. HA!!
As for the 2/3 MOA, you are about right. I have a target I can take a pic of and post that is from 100 yards exactly at the Rod & Gun Club I shoot at also. The best pattern from two shot groups was almost in the same hole, shooting from bench rest with sandbags. Spot on, sir!
Yes, it was a laser rangefinder, but I do not really know much about them because I personally have never used one, just seen them used. Those things are EXPENSIVE!!! Otherwise I would own one. Before I knew the actual distance, or even tried to hit out there I thought it was farther than that. The first time I realized I could possibly hit there was because a shooter was shooting an empty bucket that was between two stakes. After he left I took a shot and hit way to the right of it (wind). If you don't think a 30-30 can shoot that far, find someone that has one and go to a long, flat dirt range. I bet with a couple of tries most people could do it. It isn't that hard if you can see where all of your shots are hitting!
And to the guy who says "videos are too easy to fake" obviously didn't read the post where I said it was going to be one solid take with only myself and the spotter there. I have no reason to fake a video. If you are still skeptical because I have another person there I will do it on my own. HA!!
As for the 2/3 MOA, you are about right. I have a target I can take a pic of and post that is from 100 yards exactly at the Rod & Gun Club I shoot at also. The best pattern from two shot groups was almost in the same hole, shooting from bench rest with sandbags. Spot on, sir!
Yes, it was a laser rangefinder, but I do not really know much about them because I personally have never used one, just seen them used. Those things are EXPENSIVE!!! Otherwise I would own one. Before I knew the actual distance, or even tried to hit out there I thought it was farther than that. The first time I realized I could possibly hit there was because a shooter was shooting an empty bucket that was between two stakes. After he left I took a shot and hit way to the right of it (wind). If you don't think a 30-30 can shoot that far, find someone that has one and go to a long, flat dirt range. I bet with a couple of tries most people could do it. It isn't that hard if you can see where all of your shots are hitting!
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Luv my 1897
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I think everyone has called you on the .30-30 @ 500 yards.
I'll call the skeet shooting w/#4 buckshot B.S. (I think you meant to say "clay target shooting" and not "Skeet")
A standard 1 1/8oz 12 gauge skeet load will put 540 pellets in a 30" circle at 25 yards. (There's 658 #9 pellets in 1 1/8oz) That's the standard load and range that Skeet shooters shoot, with dedicated skeet guns having 26"-28" vent ribbed barrels. There are 27 pellets of #4 buckshot in a 12 gauge 2 3/4" shell, before it leaves the gun. Maybe 23 will get to a 30" circle if you had a skeet gun.
So you're telling us that you can't miss with your 18" barrel win 97 shooting buckshot at skeet.????
You must have some magic ammo.
I never said I "can't miss" just that I hit a majority of them. And skeet, clay shooting, I don't care what it is called, I just enjoy it. Plus, that is what people I shoot with say, it is "hey, lets go shoot some skeet." It's all the same to me.
Do I have to prove this one also? Because I will!
I'll call the skeet shooting w/#4 buckshot B.S. (I think you meant to say "clay target shooting" and not "Skeet")
A standard 1 1/8oz 12 gauge skeet load will put 540 pellets in a 30" circle at 25 yards. (There's 658 #9 pellets in 1 1/8oz) That's the standard load and range that Skeet shooters shoot, with dedicated skeet guns having 26"-28" vent ribbed barrels. There are 27 pellets of #4 buckshot in a 12 gauge 2 3/4" shell, before it leaves the gun. Maybe 23 will get to a 30" circle if you had a skeet gun.
So you're telling us that you can't miss with your 18" barrel win 97 shooting buckshot at skeet.????
You must have some magic ammo.
I never said I "can't miss" just that I hit a majority of them. And skeet, clay shooting, I don't care what it is called, I just enjoy it. Plus, that is what people I shoot with say, it is "hey, lets go shoot some skeet." It's all the same to me.
Do I have to prove this one also? Because I will!
FlyinBryan
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did you aim around 15-16 feet above the jug?
Luv my 1897
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I was shooting my Garand at 200 yards yesterday. That SR target is awfull small at that distance. It's bigger then a milk jug and still difficult to see at 200.
If you have trouble with a Garand at 200 yards you just... Wow. An M1 Garand in CAPABLE hands can explode a 2 liter bottle with ease at 500 yards! Those rifles were made to reach out and touch nearly any man-sized targets well beyond even 500 yards. That 30-06 round is a very versatile and accurate round.
If you have trouble with a Garand at 200 yards you just... Wow. An M1 Garand in CAPABLE hands can explode a 2 liter bottle with ease at 500 yards! Those rifles were made to reach out and touch nearly any man-sized targets well beyond even 500 yards. That 30-06 round is a very versatile and accurate round.
I can't see a milk jug at 500 yards over a set of irons, (maybe once I could) but I have shot and moved milk jugs at 500 yards with scoped rifles.
Used to shoot highpower silhouette at an old military range. The berm was 500 yards. The rams were in front. We used to place milk jugs on the berm, behind the rams, and shoot at them for sighters. The spotter would tell the shooter just where on the berm his sighting shots were going. After a enough zeroing shots, people would make those jugs dance. Of course you don’t really know if you hit the thing or just knocked the dirt out from under them until they were reset.
If I could hit the things with a 30-06 at 500 yards, don’t see why a 170 grain bullet from a 30-30 would not do it, given a decent aiming point on the berm.
And enough shots.
Used to shoot highpower silhouette at an old military range. The berm was 500 yards. The rams were in front. We used to place milk jugs on the berm, behind the rams, and shoot at them for sighters. The spotter would tell the shooter just where on the berm his sighting shots were going. After a enough zeroing shots, people would make those jugs dance. Of course you don’t really know if you hit the thing or just knocked the dirt out from under them until they were reset.
If I could hit the things with a 30-06 at 500 yards, don’t see why a 170 grain bullet from a 30-30 would not do it, given a decent aiming point on the berm.
And enough shots.
FlyinBryan
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i know your not going to believe me, but i can curve bullets out of every rifle i own, and can prove it without video or pics.
Luv my 1897
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I actually shoot 150-155 grain bullets because the rifling twist in my rifle prefers a lighter bullet. 170 grain bullets tend to go awry at about 200 yards.
Also, I sense a bit of sarcasm in the post above this one... Hmm...
Also, I sense a bit of sarcasm in the post above this one... Hmm...
FlyinBryan
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ive already said i believe you.
and i can curve them. (no lie)
and i can curve them. (no lie)
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