I searched in both this and the Autoloader forum but could not find any thread relating to the pros and cons of the CZ handguns. I am looking to get a 9mm and have always heard that Glocks are indestructible. After further research, I have also read that CZ 75's are also robust and considered one of the better combat handgun designs. For those of you with experience of either the CZ and/or the Glock, how do the two compare? The two I am looking at the most are the G19 and the CZ 85 Combat. Any useful input is greatly appreciated.
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Gary G23
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The G19 and the CZ-85 are two totally different guns. The Glock has a plastic frame and four inch barrel, while the CZ has a steel frame and 4.7" barrel. The CZ is definitely heavier and bigger. As far as quality is concerned they are both good guns. I own four CZ's and prefer the grip angle of the CZ over the Glock. Another good 9mm to consider is the XD-9 Service.
Pietro Beretta
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Glock = Plastic Frame (Polymer) =Lighter = More Felt Recoil
CZ85 = Steel Frame =Heaver = Less felt recoil
Glock = 4 inch barrel
CZ85 = 4.7inch barrel
Glock ="DAO"
CZ85 = SA/DA
Glock Made In= Austria
CZ Made In= Czech (hence the name CZ)
Go to your local gun shop if possible and hold both, choose wich ever feels better. Both are going to be a good firearm. Hard to compare these two guns because they are very different from each other.
CZ85 = Steel Frame =Heaver = Less felt recoil
Glock = 4 inch barrel
CZ85 = 4.7inch barrel
Glock ="DAO"
CZ85 = SA/DA
Glock Made In= Austria
CZ Made In= Czech (hence the name CZ)
Go to your local gun shop if possible and hold both, choose wich ever feels better. Both are going to be a good firearm. Hard to compare these two guns because they are very different from each other.
gwalchmai
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Cheap czeck junk!
My CZ75B broke its slide stop pin after only about 6,000 rounds of 9mm. I called the gunsmith and that sorry rascal had the nerve to ask me where I wanted the new pin sent. Wouldn't let me pay for it or even take the broken pin back. Now I'll probably have to put another 6,000 rounds through it.
I'd avoid CZ like the plague unless you want a reliable, accurate, and economical pistol that you can trust your life with.
(BTW, I don't currently own a Glock, but if I were to get one it would definitely be a 19.)
My CZ75B broke its slide stop pin after only about 6,000 rounds of 9mm. I called the gunsmith and that sorry rascal had the nerve to ask me where I wanted the new pin sent. Wouldn't let me pay for it or even take the broken pin back. Now I'll probably have to put another 6,000 rounds through it.
I'd avoid CZ like the plague unless you want a reliable, accurate, and economical pistol that you can trust your life with.
(BTW, I don't currently own a Glock, but if I were to get one it would definitely be a 19.)
ruger270man
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CZ makes great guns, way underrated, many people never even heard of the company.
CZ is usually ignored for the fact that they are a lower priced gun. Low priced = junk. You have to spend at least a grand on a pistol or you're an unwashed infidel with no taste. That said, I love my CZ75BD and wear the label of unwashed infidel with great pride. Mine has over 6000 rounds through it and not one hiccup. Get some 16rd MecGar mags (if the 85 uses the same as the 75) from http://arizonagunrunners.net/Products/mecgar/mecgar.html.
armoredman
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Gee, Mole, at least I am consistant.... I'll keep it simple, with a picture....
PCRCCW
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Well CZ's compare with Sigs, HK's, Glocks and every other top end gun made.
Ive owned them all and CZs are just great guns.........period.
Look at them seriously, rent one and shoot it if you can.......you wont be dissapointed.
Shoot well....
Ive owned them all and CZs are just great guns.........period.
Look at them seriously, rent one and shoot it if you can.......you wont be dissapointed.
Shoot well....
DirksterG30
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I read this somewhere else, and I think it sums up my thoughts about CZs.
With CZ's, you're paying for the gun; with HK/Sig... you're paying for the name.
Here's my P-01:
With CZ's, you're paying for the gun; with HK/Sig... you're paying for the name.
Here's my P-01:
CZ......I'm a believer.
I held off getting a CZ 75 for many years. I was aware of their great reputation for strength and reliabilty and they aways felt good to my hand.
Recently I gave in and bought myself a new one and I'm not disappointed. I'd say that this CZ is as fine a service pistol as I've ever handled. Plenty accurate and totally reliable.
I wanted a nine, and for me it came down to Ruger P89 or 95, Glock or Springfield XD.....or the CZ.
I wasn't expecting CZ to come out on top. It just feels right to my hand and has a very proven track record to boot.
I highly recommend them.
I held off getting a CZ 75 for many years. I was aware of their great reputation for strength and reliabilty and they aways felt good to my hand.
Recently I gave in and bought myself a new one and I'm not disappointed. I'd say that this CZ is as fine a service pistol as I've ever handled. Plenty accurate and totally reliable.
I wanted a nine, and for me it came down to Ruger P89 or 95, Glock or Springfield XD.....or the CZ.
I wasn't expecting CZ to come out on top. It just feels right to my hand and has a very proven track record to boot.
I highly recommend them.
Marshall
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I sure like them. I couldn't let this 9mm thread go on without a BHP recommendation. The gun the 9mm was made for, like peanut butter and jelly, Starsky and Hutch, bacon and eggs, the 9mm and BHP were made to go together.
atblis
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They are exceptional
especially when you consider cost (though they are sneaking up in price).
Second to none IMO.
People are caught up with names. I let my friends shoot my CZs and they can hit everything in sight with them, and then they still want to go out and pay more for something that won't shoot any better (Sig, Glock, HK etc.).
especially when you consider cost (though they are sneaking up in price).
Second to none IMO.
People are caught up with names. I let my friends shoot my CZs and they can hit everything in sight with them, and then they still want to go out and pay more for something that won't shoot any better (Sig, Glock, HK etc.).
VG
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I have an 85 Combat. The trigger is now OK after an expensive trigger job. But it is still not very accurate, despite having the barrel recrowned. The safety extension broke off but CZ has redesigned it and fixed it for free.
The interior finish machining is crude - it wouldn't be acceptable in any US made firearm. The painted finish holds up OK but again, is crude.
There are few holsters made for them although many report using Beretta 92 holsters with acceptable fit. You can find replacement sites with some difficulty. Aftermarket grips are pretty available. You can buy high capacity magazines for them fairly cheaply if that's important to you.
For the money there are many Smith & Wesson semiautos with better accuracy, finish, many many more accessories, and much better resale value. I bought a used S&W 3913 for $50 less than the CZ and now use it a lot more at the range.
Whatever you do, before you buy any handgun borrow or rent one and shoot it at the range and make sure it fits you well. Try and buy a used CZ locally if you are intent on one, you should be able to get a great deal.
The interior finish machining is crude - it wouldn't be acceptable in any US made firearm. The painted finish holds up OK but again, is crude.
There are few holsters made for them although many report using Beretta 92 holsters with acceptable fit. You can find replacement sites with some difficulty. Aftermarket grips are pretty available. You can buy high capacity magazines for them fairly cheaply if that's important to you.
For the money there are many Smith & Wesson semiautos with better accuracy, finish, many many more accessories, and much better resale value. I bought a used S&W 3913 for $50 less than the CZ and now use it a lot more at the range.
Whatever you do, before you buy any handgun borrow or rent one and shoot it at the range and make sure it fits you well. Try and buy a used CZ locally if you are intent on one, you should be able to get a great deal.
wildehond
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CZ 85 vs G19
I had a CZ75 that I bought very second had. I put another 15000 rounds through it and sold it again. The new owner is very happy. It has the best grip on any handgun (for me). I currently own a 1911. We are allowed only one handgun so I had to choose one to do pins and for carry work. If I could get a license for one I shall buy it in a hardbeat.
I have only put about 1000 rounds through a G19.
The G19 is lighter and smaller for CC where the CZ is quite a bit heavier and a bit more bulky. However the G19 tends to be snappier on recoil. I could put 250 defence rounds through the CZ and not feel like I have shot. I was beginning to notice the G19 after about 150 rounds. (That is shooting fast. If you spread it over a afternoon you would probably not notice.) If I had to go in harms way the CZ would be my first choice. I would also search for a Pre-B model.
The metal used in the CZ's are very high grade and very hard. That is why the CZ's tend to have quite a bit of tooling marks on the inside. To keep the tools in the manufacturing sharp and in shape cost more the neater you want your work. The places where tooling matters on the gun it is done very well. The CZ is made for one thing, COMBAT. Thay are made to opperate in combat conditions first.
wildehond
I had a CZ75 that I bought very second had. I put another 15000 rounds through it and sold it again. The new owner is very happy. It has the best grip on any handgun (for me). I currently own a 1911. We are allowed only one handgun so I had to choose one to do pins and for carry work. If I could get a license for one I shall buy it in a hardbeat.
I have only put about 1000 rounds through a G19.
The G19 is lighter and smaller for CC where the CZ is quite a bit heavier and a bit more bulky. However the G19 tends to be snappier on recoil. I could put 250 defence rounds through the CZ and not feel like I have shot. I was beginning to notice the G19 after about 150 rounds. (That is shooting fast. If you spread it over a afternoon you would probably not notice.) If I had to go in harms way the CZ would be my first choice. I would also search for a Pre-B model.
The metal used in the CZ's are very high grade and very hard. That is why the CZ's tend to have quite a bit of tooling marks on the inside. To keep the tools in the manufacturing sharp and in shape cost more the neater you want your work. The places where tooling matters on the gun it is done very well. The CZ is made for one thing, COMBAT. Thay are made to opperate in combat conditions first.
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1911 TERRY
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Every time I let someone fire one of my CZ's, the first question they ask is. "Were can I get one of these"?
robertbank
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I have an early CZ -85 which is accurate and dependable. THe sights on mine are the old style adjustables which are not all the easy to pick up and because of the way they are mounted in the slide cannot be changed to my knowledge. Great guns that Jeff Cooper once described as the best of the nines,
Wildehond - sent you an email over your signature line. Goes something like this:
Read your signature line. Canadians have been every major conflict including virtually all UN engagements over the past 100 years. Vietnam was a US debacle, we were in Iraq 1 and would not support Bush's fling in Irag 2 and we have been in Aftganistan since it's inception. Our Commando Units were part of the first ground troops involved and we still are there.
I don't think as a country we have anyting to apologise for when it comes to defending the free world - certainly does not compare with South Africa's moral high ground of the last 100 years but we try.
As a matter of interest we were also in South Africa somewhat earlier...
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Wildehond - sent you an email over your signature line. Goes something like this:
Read your signature line. Canadians have been every major conflict including virtually all UN engagements over the past 100 years. Vietnam was a US debacle, we were in Iraq 1 and would not support Bush's fling in Irag 2 and we have been in Aftganistan since it's inception. Our Commando Units were part of the first ground troops involved and we still are there.
I don't think as a country we have anyting to apologise for when it comes to defending the free world - certainly does not compare with South Africa's moral high ground of the last 100 years but we try.
As a matter of interest we were also in South Africa somewhat earlier...
Stay Safe
Used to have G19 long time ago..felt it was a solid gun..was reliable and accurate enough for carry..
I now have a couple of CZs and am really pleased with them..I have had a couple of 75b and found them to be accurate and easy to shoot..I now have a CZ SP01 and really really love this gun..
a little extra heft..which doesn't bother me for carry, shoots easy, has been reliable with the couple of thousand rounds I got through it so far..
both are good guns..you will really need to get hold of both and handle and shoot them if possible..they point different than each other, they have a different feel and heft, etc.
I now have a couple of CZs and am really pleased with them..I have had a couple of 75b and found them to be accurate and easy to shoot..I now have a CZ SP01 and really really love this gun..
a little extra heft..which doesn't bother me for carry, shoots easy, has been reliable with the couple of thousand rounds I got through it so far..
both are good guns..you will really need to get hold of both and handle and shoot them if possible..they point different than each other, they have a different feel and heft, etc.
NavajoNPaleFace
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I think the G19 vs the CZ question is an unfair question.
Those die hards that think the Glock is the epitome of a hand gun will still believe it reardless of the comments for those who know the great attributes of the CZ line.
What I value is the opinion of those who have, or do, own both. They, in my opinion, are more qualified to judge both than those who just have one or the other.
I had both.
I'll stick with the CZ.
Those die hards that think the Glock is the epitome of a hand gun will still believe it reardless of the comments for those who know the great attributes of the CZ line.
What I value is the opinion of those who have, or do, own both. They, in my opinion, are more qualified to judge both than those who just have one or the other.
I had both.
I'll stick with the CZ.
I love my CZ pistols, I even prefer them over 1911's in terms of ergonomics (and that is saying a lot, I love the 1911 design). I have 3 CZ's and hope to get more. My CZ-75 SP-01 is the softest recoiling, most accurate 9mm pistol I have tried.
Kacerdias
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+1 for CZ
I own 3 of them currently. I have a CZ-52, CZ-75B in .40 S&W, and a CZ-100 also in .40 S&W. The 52 is built like a tank. Though not very refined (it is a commie military gun after all...), it goes BANG when you pull the trigger.
The latter 2 pistols are quite nice and the CZ-75's are probably some of the best handguns period. Mine is accurate, well-made, stellar ergonomics, very tame recoil, eats any kind of ammo, and is rock solid reliable. Given the choice of any pistol to defend my life with the CZ-75B in .40 S&W would be it.
Does that answer your question?
I own 3 of them currently. I have a CZ-52, CZ-75B in .40 S&W, and a CZ-100 also in .40 S&W. The 52 is built like a tank. Though not very refined (it is a commie military gun after all...), it goes BANG when you pull the trigger.
The latter 2 pistols are quite nice and the CZ-75's are probably some of the best handguns period. Mine is accurate, well-made, stellar ergonomics, very tame recoil, eats any kind of ammo, and is rock solid reliable. Given the choice of any pistol to defend my life with the CZ-75B in .40 S&W would be it.
Does that answer your question?
wheelgunslinger
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CZ. All the way. I trust them with my life.
I recently got shed of one of the new fangled ruger p345s. For just a hair more, I could've bought a CZ to begin with.
It's not that I don't like Glock, it's just that I like CZ more.
I recently got shed of one of the new fangled ruger p345s. For just a hair more, I could've bought a CZ to begin with.
It's not that I don't like Glock, it's just that I like CZ more.
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