Texas CHL Turn-around Time Revisited

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Took DPS 46 days from time they signed for my packet until my CHL was in my hand. Thank you, Rep Joe Driver, Charlie Cotton and TSRA for putting their feet to the fire.

The slow turn around times plus the fire at the governor's mansion got an incompetent DPS commander to retire. This is not the first time DPS drug their feet issuing CHLS. Probably won't be the last either. Maybe it's time for the legislature to do like they did with reciprocity,* and take CHL licensing completely away from DPS.

*Reciprocity was transfered to the Texas AG's office. Resulted in agreements quickly with states DPS had steadfastly refused to negotiate with.
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Glad that's finally fixed.

During the mess my renewal was not processed in a timely manner and I went almost 2 months without a Texas CHL as I waited for them to play catch up.

Thank goodness I decided to go ahead and renew my Florida CWP so I had some coverage during the gap.

But you are right, it needs to be out of DPS hands I think. They seem to give an outward appearance of being in favor of the program but their actions over the years have not shown that to be the case.
 
The TRSA Sportsman magazine suggested getting a PA out of state resident permit which is honored in TX. So I did, $26 well spent IMHO, just in case DPS screws up my renewal. Got the PA permit last week, bit over 14 days turn around. DPS has had my renewal paperwork 30 days on Monday.

--wally.
 
Just renewed mine a couple weeks ago. Just to be on the safe side I gave them the full six months to get it back to me.
 
Took DPS 46 days from time they signed for my packet until my CHL was in my hand. Thank you, Rep Joe Driver, Charlie Cotton and TSRA for putting their feet to the fire.

The slow turn around times plus the fire at the governor's mansion got an incompetent DPS commander to retire. This is not the first time DPS drug their feet issuing CHLS. Probably won't be the last either. Maybe it's time for the legislature to do like they did with reciprocity,* and take CHL licensing completely away from DPS.
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You got your renewed license back in fine time and you are still complaining. Amazing. DPS got overloaded with too many applications, had to work through the system to get extra help (all under the now retired commander) and got their act together and you have nothing good to say?
 
Mailed out my wife's app. on July 4th, checked on the 28th to see if it was 'received' and called the DPS 800 number, computer there does not show it as received. They don't even know where it is. I then went to the website for the money order and tracked it using the automated system. Seems they cashed the money order July 16th. DPS can take the money real quick but not give me an update. The folks in Money Gram India know more than DPS. :D

I bet we won't see anything until November. :cuss:
 
You got your renewed license back in fine time and you are still complaining. Amazing. DPS got overloaded with too many applications, had to work through the system to get extra help (all under the now retired commander) and got their act together and you have nothing good to say?
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That's not exactly what happened. They didn't just get "overloaded" with too many applications. They have spent years trying to get by on bare minimums, disregarding the requirements the legislature placed on them to run this system.

It wasn't any kind of accident that they got so far behind. It was very much an intentional act.

It took several threats from lawmakers to get them to catch up, that's hardly 'getting their act together'. They simply hired some temp workers to catch up a backlog that should have never been there in the first place.

DPS has shown they cannot run this system in an honest and fair manner so maybe it's time to let some other organization try it for a while.
 
Seems they cashed the money order July 16th. DPS can take the money real quick but not give me an update.
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The same thing happened to my wife and I. Our check cleared, but we have no idea when we'll actually get our licenses. Our safety class instructor told us to expect to wait the full 3 months. :mad:
 


Yes, Double Naught, I'm complaining. I know some, before TSRA and Rep Joe Driver got involved, whose renewals ran 120 days rather than the state mandated 45.

DPS has routinely ignored Texas law regarding CHL licensing. Under Texas Government Code 411, DPS is required to issue a new license within 60 days of receiving a packet and 45 days on renewals. This is state law, not a suggestion.

TexasRifleman is spot on. They have proved all too often they can't be trusted in this matter.


and it might be the recognize the name "Kersh." I've jerked their chain and the AG's over CHLs often enough over the last 12 years.
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If I carry without a CHL in Texas, I get arrested and face criminal prosecution. When the DPS breaks the law and doesn't get my CHL done in a timely fashion, nothing happens. Do you think I could weasel out of an arrest by saying my home was "understaffed" and that I was backed up taking care of other things( mowing the lawn, working, etc.) and thus, unable to submit my permit application in a timely manner???

The point is, this is what happens when government is the "gatekeeper" for rights/services/etc. I work in the medical field. If a patient comes in the ER with a serious complaint and is not seen in a timely fashion, dying in the process, the doctor is in a heap of trouble. If, on the other hand, you go to countries with socialized medicine, and someone isn't seen due to long waiting lists/bureaucracy, nothing happens.

Consider this before supporting further "reasonable restrictions" on guns, or socialized healthcare, or other such government programs/controls.
 
DPS has shown they cannot run this system in an honest and fair manner so maybe it's time to reorganize the department and get some honest and trustworthy people running it
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there TexasRifleman, fixed it for ya ;)
 
DPS has shown they cannot run this system in an honest and fair manner so maybe it's time to let some other organization try it for a while.
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Cool. Who is going to do it. For it to happen, what would have to happen first? There would have to be a change in Texas law for that to happen. Who is going to pay for the changeover? Who is going to pay for the new training and teaching facility for instructors? Who is going to pay for the new licensing?

Oh wait, I know! We are! Our already pricey license fees will go up to deal with this problem of changing over to a completely different or new department.

After the changeover, what makes you think a new department will do any better? Is there some other department that you know of that is not only law abiding, but gun friendly, bureaucratically efficient, and has experience in such matters?

The notion that it might be the AG's office is rather silly. The AG is a political position. Whether the AG is pro gun or not is going to change with the political winds. Historically, they have mostly been Democrats.
 
After the changeover, what makes you think a new department will do any better? Is there some other department that you know of that is not only law abiding, but gun friendly, bureaucratically efficient, and has experience in such matters?
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In Florida it's run by the Department of Agriculture, and quite efficiently; half the price of a Texas permit.

It does not need to be a law enforcement agency. The background checks are done by FBI, there is no need for it to be administered by any LE agency at all.

Texas Parks and Wildlife maybe. Who cares if they have experience in such matters, DPS has experience and look where that gets us.

Privatizing the training portion of the thing would be the biggest cost savings. Having state approved ranges and such extreme detail in the practical portion of the Texas CHL is where all of the expense comes from. That could be done away with pretty easily. Simply recognizing an NRA or other handgun course for the practical would be a huge step with no change in the quality of the program.

Suggesting that someone besides DPS do this is not a new idea, it's been talked about for a long time just hasn't gone anywhere.
 
Submitted paperwork on 6/23, so today being my official "6-week" mark I called DPS for an update. Application is still in office - they are currently reviewing applications that were submitted in mid-May. When I asked about the FBI background check portion, I was told (exactly what I expected to hear) that they don't send it to the FBI until they review it at DPS. There's some efficiency! I can only hope to God that I'm not in the unlucky 2% whose digital prints fail for some reason, after which I'd be back in line again. Check again after Labor Day ...
 


I had my prints done the old fashion way despite DPS strongly recommending that the digital scanner method. Seems that bad prints is the DPS' favorite reason for kicking back or delaying issuing a licesne.


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