The 1911 - is it because it's American?

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I've liked the .45 1911 since I was a kid, I like semiauto handguns generally except plastic or aluminum ones, but the 1911 has a special place in my heart. Sometimes I'm surprised by a different handgun, like the S&W PPK/S and how well it shoots, but it's not a 1911, gotta have several types to be happy. If I needed a reason to realize that folks are different the fact that some people don't like 1911, while they like plastic guns would be reason enough. I'm glad they are happy holding plastic, and I'm grateful that I still get to hold JMB steel!

1. History
2. Design excellence
3. Trigger
4. Knock down effectiveness
5. Reliability
6. Customization availability (The small block Chevy of handguns!)
 
I can only speak for myself.

I like the 1911 because it allows me to get holes in the target quicker and with greater accuracy than any other pistol I've ever shot.

Yep. That's why, and I figure that's a good enough reason. If the 1911 doesn't work for you, try something else.
 
Had some trouble with a well used 3.5" Springfield V10 but a new Wilson extractor dropped right in and took care of that. Bought a 5" Kimber Raptor II with an internal extractor and a Kimber 22lr conversion for it. The only farts that has had were in using some Blazer .22 rounds, in .45 mode there has not been even a hiccup in nearly 700 rounds.

I also am a fan of the XD and have owned 3 but why own a 1911? For me it looks like, feels like, and shoots like... a gun.

Fad? Gimme a break.
 
Newton said:
One thing I would like to ask is how many of you have experienced feedway stoppages with your 1911s?

The only stoppages I have had in my two RIA's (5" GI and 3.5" Compact) have been magazine related...same 7rnd magazine misbehaves in both guns. In the 5” it does not always lock the slide open on last round (Not really a stoppage IMO), in the 3.5” it FRTBs on the second round, first round and all remaining rounds chamber fine…just that second one; weird.
 
Newton said:
One thing I would like to ask is how many of you have experienced feedway stoppages with your 1911s?

only 1. i cleaned the magazine and it ran fine.
(para ordnance double stack p14, the "OMG ITZ R JAMMATTIX!!!" of the 1911 world)
 
One thing I would like to ask is how many of you have experienced feedway stoppages with your 1911s?

The springer 5 inch I bought in the mid 90's never gives me a problem...ever.

The Kimber I bought in Feb of this year absolutely sucked right out of the box but all I needed to do was correct the extractor tension and reshape it a bit.


In spite of the other issues I had with the design, I could forgive it everything if only it was 100% reliable, and yet not a single one of the 4 brands I owned was ever totally reliable, with the Kimber being the worst of a bad bunch.

All my issues were feedway related, was this a known design fault?

Nothing is ever 100% reliable.

I bought the Kimber to use in competition, and since I fixed what the factory had fubarred, it has ceased having stoppages. It's put over 2K reloaded round nose down range with zero, zip, nada stoppages so far, and it puts the rounds where I want them. The platform is plenty reliable.

Sadly, a 1911 may need a bit of tweaking right out of the box depending on the manufacturer, BUT, the good thing is that you CAN tune it very easily. And when you DO finally get it tuned up. You just can't beat it.

The 1911 offers....

The BEST trigger potential in a defensive or competition gun. Single action that is EASILY worked into a glass rod breaking thing of beauty with SHORT reset that allows for FAST accurate follow on shots.

Accuracy that can be made to be world class.

Easy shooting through a great ergonomic design, and a vast assortment of sight options.

Controllability due to the sturdy all metal design that helps recoil management and tames muzzle flip.

Reliability that can be achieved to equal or surpass any other platform in production.

The 1911 platform will perform as good as you are willing to make it perform if you take the time to learn what makes it tick.
 
I have a parkerized SA 1911 with cocobolo wood grips. It's a beautiful handgun and goes bang every time I pull the trigger. Dependable and accurate. But I must say that I really don't care much for it. 1911's just don't fit my hand well at all. I've never found a comfortable shooting position with 1911. I bought it just to play with occasionally. I put 50 round thru it at the range this afternoon. Sometime tomorrow I'll clean it and then I probably won't touch it again for the next 6 months. Just not my cup of tea.
 
Except for newer guns utilizing plastic/aluminum/stampings, they pretty much all work on the Browning design, newer guns just being friendlier to manufacturers, in that, parts spit out of machines are a bit simpler and more drop-in friendly....but none of the new stuff has broken any new ground....now, if a 1911 just doesn't feel "right", and newer stuff does, well, get what fits.....any other problems are more a problem with execution at the factory....the 1911 still holds the record for rounds fired without stoppage, and probably always will.....new guns are only required to meet Mean Times Between Failure, which is not an average.....the new gun could stop 1 time at 4000rds, stop 20 times at anywhere between 1 and 50 rounds, and the Mean would still be 2000rds, Mean being the halfway point between highest and lowest values....no handgun, before or since, has been required to, or passed, a 6000rd/zero-stoppage test....the design is sound, and only unreliable to the degree the parts diverge from original specifications, and there's a boatload of differences in the guns of today, with many using cast/sintered parts instead of spring-steel, machinings, etc., not to mention tolerances not being adhered to.........don't indict the design over sloppy/cheap current build.....
Lest you think the initial proving of the gun in 1911 was a fluke, in 1952, Col. Frank Allen assigned to Aberdeen ran tests of various auto-pistols, including the 1911A1 and a number of foreign pistols....all were run through 5000rds or as far as they would go....most of the guns gave many malfs, or quit altogether, while the 1911A1 sailed through 5000rds with one minor stoppage....Also, in the 1970's, the US Treas. Dept had tests conducted by a private testing lab, the tests running 8mths with over 150 different guns of 38 models, from .22Short revolvers to .45ACPs....in the 9mm and .45 endurance tests, they tried to put 5000rds through each of two samples, with one gun getting an initial Proof round, and the other gun getting a Proof round after every 100rds.....the only ones which went all the way were two Colt .45's, one Browning HP, and one of the French MAB's....another HP almost went 5000rds with 47 Proof loads, and a second MAB went over 4900rds with 50 Proof loads......
 
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I agree about trends. The wonder 9 was big in the 80's. Then we had the high cap ban, and the 8 rounds of 45 seemed better than 10 of 9mm.

During this time, more states started allowing CCPs. So you have a lot of conciled weapons coming out.

But as of now, ammo is high, and you can get high cap mags....for now at least. SO I have been seeing a trend back to the 9.

As far as carry guns go. I shoot IDPA with a guy who loves his 1911. But carries a Glock 36, and when his 1911 acted up in the last IDPA, he went and grabbed a G17 out of his truck.

Some are able to love and respect both I guess. Others are one way or the other.

I don't really like them much I guess other than a target gun, much like my G34.
 
The 1911 IS an American icon, as is the .44, the .357 and the .45 LC. I proudly shoot them all.

Why a 1911 over a .40 or a 9 in some EBP format? Because they feed anything I put through them like crap through a goose. Because the 230g round is a mortar ball and stops things.

Because recoil is minimal and follow-up shots are possible.

I like the feel, I like the accuracy, I like the dependability.

They pack small for such a large pistol.

I have a Sig P 220, had it since 87 when I bought it new. I like it, but it isn't a 1911. It's not bad, in fact it's really nice and shoots well, but the 1911 is just that much better IMO.
 
I would have to say that if you're experiencing stoppages in your modern 1911 then there is something wrong with the gun, (obviously).

I think the design is one of the best handgun designs ever. I keep going back to my 1911s and Glocks for reliability and accuracy.

The design has been working for almost a century now and shows no signs of slowing up.
 
My favorite one was made in Brazil.

The trigger rocks.
It's flat for carry.
The mags are shrink wrapped around the cartridges and also easy to carry.
It is easily the most customizable pistol on the planet whether for ergonomics or just pimping.
Did I say the trigger is the best ever on any handgun?
It's accurate and a natural pointer.
If you can walk and chew gum at the same time, the thumb safety is no problem.
A well sorted out one runs with anything made.
Some don't, but I like the heft of one.

Did I mention the trigger?
 
I'm a bit surprised you had so much bad experience with the 1911 design Newton, especially with the Kimber, as I've always heard they were rock solid guns. I don't own one myself though. My two 1911s are a Les Baer Premeir II Super Tac, which is simply the finest gun I have ever owned, period; and an original Series 70 Colt 1911. The only things I've done to the Colt are to replace the Collett barrel bushing, which was prone to break and jam up the gun, with a solid one from Ed Brown, and put an extended thumb safety, and beavertail grip safety on it, as well as some Novak sights. Most of the trouble with unreliable 1911s comes from manufacturers who don't build them right, or owners who have compromised reliability by putting a whole lot of unnecessary work into the gun. If it's made properly the gun is superbly reliable.

As for the issue of their being "too many switches", I'm afraid I just don't get it. Really I don't. As others have said, the grip safety is disengaged simply by taking the proper grip on the gun. Some people who take a very high grip experienced a problem with the GS failing to disengage, but that's why the "speed bump" variant of the beavertail GS was developed, and if your gun has that feature, I don't see how you can possibly fail to disengage the GS when you grip the gun. It happens automatically, with no conscious thought whatsoever, and you honestly would have to try real hard not to disengage it. So what's the problem here? I don't get it.

As for the thumb safety, again, I don't get it. It is the most ergonomically perfect thumb safety ever on a handgun. My dad used to have an old GI 1911A1, with the tiny original thumb safety, and even that disengaged very easily. The extended thumb safeties on virtually all modern 1911s fall right under the thumb of the shooting hand when you take the proper grip. If you practice your draw at all (and you certainly should if you carry a handgun), all you need do is wipe your thumb downward as you take the proper grip and execute your draw and the safety is disengaged. Practice it enough, and it will become an unconscious, automatic part of your draw. Generations of shooters have proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that it can be done under stress with no difficulty at all.

The 1911 continues to be popular, especially with elite units like SWAT teams and Delta Force operators, et al., not because of some strange mystique, nostalgia, or "Americanness", but simply because it gives a highly trained shooter the best tool for the job. It's as reliable as any pistol out there (when it's built properly); it's ergonomically unsurpassed; it has as low a bore axis as you can get in a service pistol, thereby reducing muzzle-flip and decreasing recovery time between shots; it has the best trigger, with the shortest pull and shortest reset of any pistol out there, again, reducing recovery time for a shooter who is trained well enough to take advantage of this; and it fires one of the most potent pistol cartridges available. The only real downsides it has are the cost, inseparable from its pre-WWI vintage (it's an old design that demands a lot more machining, and that costs more to do); and the smaller (compared to some other pistols) magazine capacity, and even that's not really much of a problem for well trained shooters, who nearly always find eight rounds more than enough to get the job done.

If you just don't like the gun, well... nothing pleases everyone. But lots of us love it, and we find excellent reasons for doing so.
 
I've liked the .45 1911 since I was a kid,...

My experience, as a kid, is why I've never been fond of the 1911. My dad had one, along with a few other autos and lots of revolvers. Never could get the darn thing to shoot well. It was a stock military model with crappy sights and was loosened up from lots and lots of rounds. It seemed to have a two stage recoil...one when the round went off...one when the slide banged back...perhaps it was in need of a new recoil spring.

Having said that, I shot a friend's 1911 a few weeks ago and was very impressed with it's feel and accuracy. It didn't have any of that nasty recoil I remembered as a kid and the target sights were excellent.
 
Roughly 75% of the experienced and competent pistol shooters I know carries a 1911, or shoots one in competition.

Can you imagine how much better they'd shoot if they switched to something more modern than a Model 1911. If they'd spend less time showing off their expensive guns that don't work they'd have more time to spend on the Internet and become experts. They're so full of themselves that they won't even try a Lorcin or a Raven.
 
I was gonna reply to the original post, but no time; gotta get back to work for several hours of routine maintenance on my 1911s to make sure they run right and can get through even one mag before choking before I head off to the range so my buddies and I can show off all our expensive pieces of junk to each other ...

I'm inclined to believe this as well:
If you don't "get" 1911's, you probably haven't shot or carried one much.
 
I can only speak for myself.

I like the 1911 because it allows me to get holes in the target quicker and with greater accuracy than any other pistol I've ever shot.

Yep. That's why, and I figure that's a good enough reason. If the 1911 doesn't work for you, try something else.
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+1

And they have been "in fashion" for almost 100 years. Not thinking that is going to change any time soon.
 
Why 1911 45 ACP

I have fired hundreds of bullets of every weight and shape through my Kimber Custom II , with the external extractor( hated by many 1911 purist ). The gun has been flawless and is easily the most accurate gun I own. Have shot pins with it and still targets just as well. Had a much touted Sig. 226 -9mm, that would not shoot as good !
 
Robert Hairless said:
Can you imagine how much better they'd shoot if they switched to something more modern than a Model 1911.

how so? the age of the DESIGN doesn't matter until theres a technological leap, like black to smokeless powder, cap and ball to self contained metallic, stripper clip to magazine or load gate to swing out cylinder

there havnt been any technological leaps that amount to more than preference or frivolous feature that that 1911 cannot utilize that i can think of
 
I found 1911 owners are like Harley Davidson owners. Fiercely loyal, sometimes to the point of arrogance and mocking of anything else.

I too had a 1911 and ended up selling it a few months later. It was a nice pistol, looked good, and seemed reliable. But at the end of the day my other pistols (Beretta, S&W, Glock, Sig) had higher capacity, were easier to CCW, just as accurate, and are far more affordable.
 
I found 1911 owners are like Harley Davidson owners. Fiercely loyal, sometimes to the point of arrogance and mocking of anything else.

BINGO

And most are the other 99 precenters who only buy into them cause that's what everyone else has and is what's cool at the time
 
I'm going to buy one, not because it's the current fad, but because I'm not a collector or a "loyalist" when it comes to any one type of gun. I'm the sort of person who likes to have "one of everything," so a 1911 is naturally on my list.
 
But at the end of the day my other pistols (Beretta, S&W, Glock, Sig) had higher capacity, were easier to CCW, just as accurate, and are far more affordable.
I've got 2 Sigs, a 229 and 250. I've got the Taurus version of the Beretta (Taurus due to safety location only), I had a Glock for a very short time. I can't imagine anyone who has actually tried carrying the different guns you have listed found them any easier to carry than a 1911. That make absolutely no sense to me, as my 1911's are thinner and the alloy framed ones are lighter. How is a thinner, lighter gun easier to CCW? I do sometimes carry my Sigs, just for a change. Much harder to conceal the doublestack grip on my 33" waist. The Taurus/Beretta isn't even remotely concealable without a jacket or other specific cover garment.

Of course, that still doesn't mean they are for everyone.

Capacity doesn't mean much to me. Often I carry a 5rd snubby with no reload, I think it's funny to see people with a 16-18rd gun carrying two extra magazines.

As far as just as accurate, I guess that depends on both the 1911 and the shooter themselves. Mine are the most accurate pistols I've ever owned. Affordability is subjective.

By the way, I ride a Honda.
 
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