The 642 club
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blackwind Jeff
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jt1 - 
And I thought I was the only one with a rusty screw. Oooh, and I like the one piece construction. I have unusually large hands, so the palm swells are more knuckle swells. Most of all, I'm glad that thumb shelf is gone; resting my thumb there on the factory grips left the tip of my thumb in the way with my index pulled back. When I first field tested different holding positions, one was with my thumb at 90 degrees pointing downward. One pull of the trigger later and the thumb knuckle got plowed by the cylinder release switch.
The only thing nicer than the Bantam on it now would be, oh, one with a backstrap . . .
And I thought I was the only one with a rusty screw. Oooh, and I like the one piece construction. I have unusually large hands, so the palm swells are more knuckle swells. Most of all, I'm glad that thumb shelf is gone; resting my thumb there on the factory grips left the tip of my thumb in the way with my index pulled back. When I first field tested different holding positions, one was with my thumb at 90 degrees pointing downward. One pull of the trigger later and the thumb knuckle got plowed by the cylinder release switch.The only thing nicer than the Bantam on it now would be, oh, one with a backstrap . . .
sixgunner455
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fiVe -- how terribly unpleasant.
I've had the stones pass, but never had to have the kidney battered. A brother at church had to have that (before my first stone -- how I learned what the symptoms were, so when it started for me, I suspected what was going on). My sympathies!!
I was told cranberry juice helps. Don't know if it's true, or how, but I drank a lot of that. And carry around a water bottle EVERYWHERE I go now.
I've had the stones pass, but never had to have the kidney battered. A brother at church had to have that (before my first stone -- how I learned what the symptoms were, so when it started for me, I suspected what was going on). My sympathies!!
I was told cranberry juice helps. Don't know if it's true, or how, but I drank a lot of that. And carry around a water bottle EVERYWHERE I go now.
Brassman
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fiVe
Sorry to hear about your condition. My prayers are for you to be feeling better soon. I too have heard that drinking lots of cranberry juice can prove helpful.
Sorry to hear about your condition. My prayers are for you to be feeling better soon. I too have heard that drinking lots of cranberry juice can prove helpful.
blackwind Jeff
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Finally got pics of my wheelgun, woot!
My brother came over and snapped a few. He was such a control freak about everything, for example, the first pic is without a flash and a 4.5 sec exposure time! Also, when I picked up this revolver (first and only gun thus far), the serial blew my mind. Hopefully that's bad luck for the guy on the business end rather than on the butt end.
kiNg fiVe, my thoughts are with you. Water does a body good.
Finally got pics of my wheelgun, woot!
My brother came over and snapped a few. He was such a control freak about everything, for example, the first pic is without a flash and a 4.5 sec exposure time! Also, when I picked up this revolver (first and only gun thus far), the serial blew my mind. Hopefully that's bad luck for the guy on the business end rather than on the butt end.
kiNg fiVe, my thoughts are with you. Water does a body good.
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Bilt4Comfort
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OK...I'm sure somewhere in the millions of posts in this thread that this has been covered. I just dropped my 642 off with a smith yesterday for some trigger work. He's gonna polish it up nice and smooth. How much of a difference should I expect in the ease of the pull ?
I just got my 442 and my 640 back from having action jobs done by Teddy Jacobson. I haven't measured the trigger pulls, but they are noticeably lighter and much smoother.
Bilt4Comfort
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Great....hopefully I can tighten up my groups beyond 5 yds.
ShowMeState1977
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New Member!
Hello all! I just wanted to drop in and say hello! I got my like-new S&W 442 today!
I had intended on getting a 642 today, but the gun shop had this beautiful used 442 sitting in their case. It spoke to me! The owner of the shop told me that the guy that bought it before me only shot ten rounds through it. It was in such good shape that they had to check the serial number against their records to make sure they were'nt selling me their new 442. The previous owner had'nt even filled out the warranty card for it. The gun was $369.99. Their new 642s were $399.99 and their new 442 was $409.99. I think I did good!
I also got some ammo and a speedloader for it. I got home dry fired it a bit, loaded it up and dropped it in my pocket! (I shot a 642 at the gun store/range yesterday...so I know what to expect.) It was so nice to not have to lug around my Springer XD9! The 442 in the pocket was a lot more comfortable!
Thanks to fiVe and all the others that tipped me over the edge to join the 642/442 Club! I've read up to page 71 of this thread so far and I promise to read it all.
Now to order the truckload of Speer ammo that I have to give out to all the members...
Hello all! I just wanted to drop in and say hello! I got my like-new S&W 442 today!
I had intended on getting a 642 today, but the gun shop had this beautiful used 442 sitting in their case. It spoke to me! The owner of the shop told me that the guy that bought it before me only shot ten rounds through it. It was in such good shape that they had to check the serial number against their records to make sure they were'nt selling me their new 442. The previous owner had'nt even filled out the warranty card for it. The gun was $369.99. Their new 642s were $399.99 and their new 442 was $409.99. I think I did good!
I also got some ammo and a speedloader for it. I got home dry fired it a bit, loaded it up and dropped it in my pocket! (I shot a 642 at the gun store/range yesterday...so I know what to expect.) It was so nice to not have to lug around my Springer XD9! The 442 in the pocket was a lot more comfortable!
Thanks to fiVe and all the others that tipped me over the edge to join the 642/442 Club! I've read up to page 71 of this thread so far and I promise to read it all.
Now to order the truckload of Speer ammo that I have to give out to all the members...
Phydeaux642
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ShowMeState1977 - Welcome to the clubhouse. I just put money down on a 442 to go with my 642. I figured I needed a backup (at least that's how I justified it in my head).
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AStone
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Hmm. C'berry juice is slightly acidic; stones are produced in alkalinity. Yeah, that could help.
Jeff: nice photos. We've all seen the gun,
but nice to see new artistic angles & settings.
Show'77, welcome in. 442's are just sexy, aren't they?
(Dang, is it just me, or does it seem like user names are getting longer?
) PS: I owe PM's to a couple of folks; sorry to be slow.
Working weekend for me; no days off in two weeks ...
MassMark
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ShowMeState1977: Welcome to the club! Make sure you post pics - sounds like you got a great deal on a great gun. I know what you mean about those guns talking to you from the case - that's what my 642CT did to me. make sure you get on the list for a Mika Pocket Holster for that bad boy....
Trigger Pull
Bilt4Comfort: I got my 642 back from Coal Creek Armory the end of last week. They did a trigger job and action tune. Starting trigger pull was 11 3/4 lbs., after smithing the pull is just over 9 lbs. and smooth as butta.
It has made a significant difference in the ability to shoot tight groups with either hand. They did the work in one day, in on Tues, pick-up on Thurs. Hope that helps.
Bilt4Comfort: I got my 642 back from Coal Creek Armory the end of last week. They did a trigger job and action tune. Starting trigger pull was 11 3/4 lbs., after smithing the pull is just over 9 lbs. and smooth as butta.
It has made a significant difference in the ability to shoot tight groups with either hand. They did the work in one day, in on Tues, pick-up on Thurs. Hope that helps.
308win
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I have never measured my trigger pull. It is smooth with no noticable catch/release in the LP/travel until it reaches a "breakover point" in the pull. At that point the additional effort to get to let off is nil. I have been practicing trigger control so that I can reliably get to this breakover point and stop; I can then assure sight alignment and send the shot. I don't expect to be capable of this type of small muscle control in a self defense situation my goal is to develop this capability to 99+% in target shooting.
MassMark
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308Win Thanks - I've been trying to find words to describe that "breakover point".... that's what I've been able to do fairly consistently on the range when "target shooting". Most of my training is self-defense "point shooting", so the sights never come into play, (even a little). When target shooting however, that description helps for a more accurate shot. My 642 trigger is buttery smooth now - no gunsmithing required. Dry firing and round count (approaching 2,000) has aided in this I believe....
packgoat
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Fiddletown,
How long did Teddy take?
How long did Teddy take?
ShowMeState1977
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I'm not sure how to get a pic posted on here, or I would. I'll definately be checking on a pocket holster from Mika!
ShowMeState1977 - Here is a link to everything you ever wanted to know about photos and posting plus some. Read what you need or goto #17 for posting info.
http://www.alumbankweb.com/img_matters/
http://www.alumbankweb.com/img_matters/
Range Report +
Yesterday I spent an hour at the range with my 642 and 41. Both guns with ammo and gear fit nicely in my new S&W bag.
Put 100 rounds of Winchester standard load FMJ ($25.67 / 100 round box at WalMart) through the 642. This was an increase in activity; the last three range days I only shot 50 rounds of Win standard, and 5 rounds of Rem +P HP each trip.
I'm getting better, but still a bit inconsistent. I start at 7' for grouping practice, then move out to 12', 18', and 25'. 1"" to 2" 5 shot groups at 7', but at 25" the 5 shot groups were more like 4" to 5".
With a few hundred rounds of two hand firing, I decided to begin one hand practice. The last 20 rounds were strong (right) hand at 7'. Pleased and surprised myself by keeping in the 1" to 3" grouping for each 5 shot batch.
Next time out, I'll try some weak hand two hand firing, and add in weak hand (left) one hand.
My training plan is to work on these four positions, all at full extension and eye level, for an extended period before trying one hand partial extension and two hand 3/4 extension point shooting. (This is a tactical shooting sequence I saw described in the videos on http://www.downrange.tv/ Check the set of videos for CCW.)
Interesting thing happened when I shot my first set one-handed. I bloodied up the first knuckle of my thumb. Was not sure why. Did it again on the second firing set. Then I looked at my grip. Somehow, I had started holding my thumb in line with the barrel, instead of resting on the thumb ramp on the grip. During recoil, the cylinder release thumb knurl was popping against the top of the thumb. Paid more attention to my grip, making sure the thumb is down on the rest for it on the grip (factory original boot). No more blood drawn.
I've also finished reading Chris Bird's "The Concealed Handgun Manual," 4th edition. Very good book. I recommend it. Going to get my wife to read at least the parts about what to expect after a CCW shooting. She has her permit, also, but neither of us expect her to ever carry. She will be with me, though, when I start carrying. Bird's book really emphasizes that there is SO much more to think about than just gun handling when you choose to carry.
Finally, Robert Mika sent me a nice e-mail acknowledging my PayPal payment and saying he is pretty busy, but ought to get my holster done in about four weeks.
Craig
p.s. Put 165 rounds of .22LR through the M41. It remains a sweet target pistol, and I can see why my father-in-law made it his favorite for competition. After he 642 trigger pull, that 41 trigger almost seems to work by telekinesis.
Yesterday I spent an hour at the range with my 642 and 41. Both guns with ammo and gear fit nicely in my new S&W bag.
Put 100 rounds of Winchester standard load FMJ ($25.67 / 100 round box at WalMart) through the 642. This was an increase in activity; the last three range days I only shot 50 rounds of Win standard, and 5 rounds of Rem +P HP each trip.
I'm getting better, but still a bit inconsistent. I start at 7' for grouping practice, then move out to 12', 18', and 25'. 1"" to 2" 5 shot groups at 7', but at 25" the 5 shot groups were more like 4" to 5".
With a few hundred rounds of two hand firing, I decided to begin one hand practice. The last 20 rounds were strong (right) hand at 7'. Pleased and surprised myself by keeping in the 1" to 3" grouping for each 5 shot batch.
Next time out, I'll try some weak hand two hand firing, and add in weak hand (left) one hand.
My training plan is to work on these four positions, all at full extension and eye level, for an extended period before trying one hand partial extension and two hand 3/4 extension point shooting. (This is a tactical shooting sequence I saw described in the videos on http://www.downrange.tv/ Check the set of videos for CCW.)
Interesting thing happened when I shot my first set one-handed. I bloodied up the first knuckle of my thumb. Was not sure why. Did it again on the second firing set. Then I looked at my grip. Somehow, I had started holding my thumb in line with the barrel, instead of resting on the thumb ramp on the grip. During recoil, the cylinder release thumb knurl was popping against the top of the thumb. Paid more attention to my grip, making sure the thumb is down on the rest for it on the grip (factory original boot). No more blood drawn.
I've also finished reading Chris Bird's "The Concealed Handgun Manual," 4th edition. Very good book. I recommend it. Going to get my wife to read at least the parts about what to expect after a CCW shooting. She has her permit, also, but neither of us expect her to ever carry. She will be with me, though, when I start carrying. Bird's book really emphasizes that there is SO much more to think about than just gun handling when you choose to carry.
Finally, Robert Mika sent me a nice e-mail acknowledging my PayPal payment and saying he is pretty busy, but ought to get my holster done in about four weeks.
Craig
p.s. Put 165 rounds of .22LR through the M41. It remains a sweet target pistol, and I can see why my father-in-law made it his favorite for competition. After he 642 trigger pull, that 41 trigger almost seems to work by telekinesis.
Any advice on speedloaders for the 642?
I have two HKS ones right now, but some people are saying I should switch to Safariland for speed.... and the other brand "Maxfire" or something like that is apparently awkward.
Any other brands? More importantly, what is the general consensus as to which is best.
By "best" I mean fast and reliable.
Thanks. I've had to switch to carrying the 642 almost 90% of the time lately instead of my preferred Glock 23 or 27.... so I need to figure out which speedloader I want to use, get a whole bunch... and start practicing like mad at the range.
Thanks for any advice.
I have two HKS ones right now, but some people are saying I should switch to Safariland for speed.... and the other brand "Maxfire" or something like that is apparently awkward.
Any other brands? More importantly, what is the general consensus as to which is best.
By "best" I mean fast and reliable.
Thanks. I've had to switch to carrying the 642 almost 90% of the time lately instead of my preferred Glock 23 or 27.... so I need to figure out which speedloader I want to use, get a whole bunch... and start practicing like mad at the range.
Thanks for any advice.
Bilt4Comfort
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I use the HKS...didn't know Safariland made them.
I'll have to check them out.
I'll have to check them out.
DAdams
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Speed Strip
Any moment the Bianchi Speed Strip photos with the 2, 2 split should arrive. There are a few here who use this technique. I would too but haven't gotten around to ordering any and the stores I have checked don't carry them. Oh come forth ghostly presence of the Speed Strip Pics.
Cheaper Than Dirt (not always the cheapest) has them.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/34640-41941-1171.html
I currently carry an HKS or two for my 642 and 340.
Any moment the Bianchi Speed Strip photos with the 2, 2 split should arrive. There are a few here who use this technique. I would too but haven't gotten around to ordering any and the stores I have checked don't carry them. Oh come forth ghostly presence of the Speed Strip Pics.
Cheaper Than Dirt (not always the cheapest) has them.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/34640-41941-1171.html
I currently carry an HKS or two for my 642 and 340.
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